Cheap & easy to built (Class 5) land yacht

> 10 years ago
Reply
Register to post, see what you've read, and subscribe to topics.
hills
hills
SA
1622 posts
SA, 1622 posts
21 Jul 2008 1:43pm
Hmmn... which are which?
landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
21 Jul 2008 6:35pm
Now, now , dont go upsetting the blowies they may be friendly ,but touchy
agamackay
agamackay
QLD
58 posts
QLD, 58 posts
22 Jul 2008 3:50pm
Don't know about Brumys & thoroughbreds, The name "Bitzer" was allready taken by a fellow making blokart look-alikes, so the bloies call us the "Dumpsters" cause all the parts came from the local dump recycle shop.

landyacht said...

Now, now , dont go upsetting the blowies they may be friendly ,but touchy


We're not trying to upset the blowies, they'r our only freinds in Mackay.
Some of them upset themselves when they compare the cost of their machine against ours!
aga
Promo girl
Promo girl
259 posts
259 posts
22 Jul 2008 3:29pm
[.

landyacht said...

Now, now , dont go upsetting the blowies they may be friendly ,but touchy


We're not trying to upset the blowies, they'r our only freinds in Mackay.
Some of them upset themselves when they compare the cost of their machine against ours!
aga


Well said YOur right though it is good to keep friends there really are not that many landsailors in Aust that we can afford to ignore what has become one of the most popular yachts in this country. The blokarts are great for getting people into landsailing who can't/not interested in building their own. But gee you feel good when your race together with similar size yachts and a cheap homemade one takes the flag
landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
22 Jul 2008 5:48pm
DUMPSTERS! love it ,love it,love it. Isnt it great when the right name finds you
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
23 Jul 2008 1:15am
Oh yes. We lived in a block of 24 units in Gladstone for 3 years and most of them were rented. When somebody was moving out it was shopping day at the common rubbish bin. Computers, stereos, stoves, bunk beds (painted it, used it for 3 years and sold it for $200), boom boxes (cd, cassette, radio) and still using it today 5 years later.

Street level people do these things and the media tries to tell us that we (the general public) are destroying the planet.

Global warming, climate change, therefore carbon trading and taxes. Leave me alone!! It is just the new way to bleed us dry.

If you really want to know about global warming, ice ages and climate change, read "Worlds in Collision", "Earth in Upheaval", "Ages in Chaos" and "Oedipus and Akhaton" by Immanuel Velikovsky. They will blow your mind and all previously held concepts of the ancient history of the world.

For modern history, read "Wall Street and the Bolshevic Revolution" by Antony C. Sutton, "The Franklin Cover-Up" by John W. De Camp, Viet Nam Veteran and former Nebraska State senator, and "A Century of War" by F. William Engdahl.

Google or otherwise search the titles and/or the authors and see what you come up with. If you are lucky enough to get hold of the books (they are regarded as seditious liturature in most circles), bequeath them to your children so that if they wish to know the truth they can find it.

Adios Amigos, via con Dios till we meet again. Cisco.
agamackay
agamackay
QLD
58 posts
QLD, 58 posts
23 Jul 2008 8:35am
cisco said...

Yes and out of that 30 years this one has featured some where.
Cheers Cisco.

"Can you tell us a bit about this one Paul?"

cisco said...

Oh yes. We lived in a block of 24 units
Adios Amigos,


Are we on topic ?

Have you got any idea of what we`re talking about?
I`ve got no idea of what your talking about?
We`re talking about a robust entry level landyacht
retailing for $500 or less .
Australia is a fantastic place for landsailing,
yet so few people are interested, WHY?
Comercal yachts are too expensive - costing more than my dad`s car!

jes


cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
24 Jul 2008 1:26am
OK jes don't get too excited there. So there was a little divergence from the thread subject. Is that a big deal????

This is a free and open forum here where participants participate in a friendly manner without being offensive to, or critical of, others. Check the sticky "Posting Guidelines" in particular items 2, 4, and 6.

If you want to bring the thread back to "Cheap and easy to build (Class 5 ) land yacht", please do so by giving us duuuhs some more details of your scourcing of materials, initial plan, details of construction, problems encountered along the way, how you surmounted them and performance details of the finished product.

We ARE interested. You have received praise and encouragement from somebody who has been land yachting for longer than twice the number of years that you have been alive. A little respect would not go astray.

Re Class 5. You appear to have built a hot yacht however check the rules before you call it a Class 5.

Adios Amigo.

P.S. Combined cost of my three motor vehicles is $7,400. Combined cost of my two blokarts is $7,600. Just a little insight into my mind.
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
24 Jul 2008 1:31am
agamackay said...

cisco said...

Yes and out of that 30 years this one has featured some where.
Cheers Cisco.

"Can you tell us a bit about this one Paul?"

You attached the wrong photo to the question.

I could go on but I won't.

agamackay
agamackay
QLD
58 posts
QLD, 58 posts
24 Jul 2008 3:44pm
Correct photo.
The carnage landyacht is obviously the same design as the red one,
in one of the photos "carnage" is carrying the same home made sail.

This is both interesting and on topic...
It looks like a good yacht: simple enough.
Seems to have some design problems though:
Assumeing that the carnage was not part of a diliberate destruction stress test:
It would be good to learn from and thus aviod these design/material/assembly problems.

The home made sail exites me a lot!
The local Blokart club have a tame sail maker in their fold able to produce a 4m sail for around $600.00. A bit steep if the sport is to grow in Aust. through the availability of a simple cheap Entry Level yacht retailing for <$500.00.
It would be even better if clubs all around Aust. had similar/same Entry Level Yacht

The Construction floder: Build a Landyacht. Lake Lefroy Mini Yacht : By landyacht is great stuff for what I have in mind: Simple, affordable, easy to follow instruction.
What about some video of it in action:- Manoverability, transport, on-beach-assembly. and so on.

Are there any seamstresses about? Dose rip-stop tarp work as a sai material?

I couldn't give a stuff about class this or that, I don't intend on competing in the Tour de France or the Paris to Dakar. Get it together for the sport, bring people in on an Entry Level Budget!

aga


splitpin
splitpin
104 posts
104 posts
24 Jul 2008 2:15pm
cisco said...

OK jes don't get too excited there. So there was a little divergence from the thread subject. Is that a big deal????

This is a free and open forum here where participants participate in a friendly manner without being offensive to, or critical of, others. Check the sticky "Posting Guidelines" in particular items 2, 4, and 6.

If you want to bring the thread back to "Cheap and easy to build (Class 5 ) land yacht", please do so by giving us duuuhs some more details of your scourcing of materials, initial plan, details of construction, problems encountered along the way, how you surmounted them and performance details of the finished product.

We ARE interested. You have received praise and encouragement from somebody who has been land yachting for longer than twice the number of years that you have been alive. A little respect would not go astray.

Re Class 5. You appear to have built a hot yacht however check the rules before you call it a Class 5.

Adios Amigo.

P.S. Combined cost of my three motor vehicles is $7,400. Combined cost of my two blokarts is $7,600. Just a little insight into my mind.
[/quote the pot calling the kettle black...
hills
hills
SA
1622 posts
SA, 1622 posts
24 Jul 2008 4:49pm
Hey!! Welcome back Splitpin!!

Aga, I think the carnage in the picture was from doing something you're not supposed to do in a landyacht, ie get airborne I don't think any design will accomodate that and still be light enough to sail.
agamackay
agamackay
QLD
58 posts
QLD, 58 posts
24 Jul 2008 5:50pm
Assumeing that the carnage was not part of a diliberate destruction stress test?
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
24 Jul 2008 7:32pm
Hey Split, good to see you back. Still as caustic as ever I see.

aga:- An Entry level Yacht for <$500 sounds great. Apparently you have produced one, but you keep talking about Retailing it for that price. Retailing implies the manufacture of numbers of identical items which are then onsold at a profit to the general public. I don't want to dampen your enthusiasm but if you can pull that one off I will be truly amazed.

Re the cost of sails made from sail cloth:- I would hazard a guess that the reason they are made from that material is because it is the most suitable and durable. One of the reasons that they cost what they do is that the material is a petroleum product and we all know what is happening to the price of petroleum.

Check with Paul Day but I think he builds sails from poly bags because it is a cheap material (you can't beat free) from which to build prototype sails before cutting up expensive sail cloth for the end product.

If you are not concerned about meeting class specifications and just want to have a fun machine, second hand windsurfer sails and rigs are ideal. Sometimes you can get them for free. Check the "Free Sails" thread for examples.

Also check the buy and sell section of this site for some bargains in windsurfer rigs.

Adios Amigos, Cisco.
agamackay
agamackay
QLD
58 posts
QLD, 58 posts
24 Jul 2008 8:02pm
cisco said...

...
An Entry level Yacht for <$500 sounds great. Apparently you have produced one, but you keep talking about Retailing it for that price. Retailing implies the manufacture of numbers of identical items which are then onsold at a profit to the general public. I don't want to dampen your enthusiasm but if you can pull that one off I will be truly amazed.
...
Adios Amigos, Cisco.


The yacht the boys built is VERY basic, I doubt it would be a nationaly acceptable/saleable model (transport problems for starters - not everyone likes towing a trailer - ergo the Blokart).
The upright seat makes learning easy, this might then progress to a laydown C5 seating. Fiberglass masts take a lot of punishment, this might then progress to alloy C5 type mast..etc.etc.

..."I don't want to dampen your enthusiasm but if you can pull that one off I will be truly amazed."...
I can`t pull that one off.
A national conglomorant could.

..."onsold at a profit"...
Profit is not nesseccarily a direct finacial gain, it might be counted in indirect profit through greater membership, greater recognition/Gov grants/etc.etc.

aga
Gizmo
Gizmo
SA
2865 posts
SA, 2865 posts
24 Jul 2008 8:04pm
I think people could be sailing for a LOT LESS THAN $500.....heres how!!!!
Have a club yacht/s ( I know the adelaide club had several yachts at one stage) these yachts are the older superseeded yachts from club members that were to good to scrap but couldnt /or didnt want to be developed further.
This is an ideal situation as you would have experienced people around for instruction of new sailors with the important things like safety and sailing technique.
hills
hills
SA
1622 posts
SA, 1622 posts
24 Jul 2008 8:26pm
agamackay said...
Australia is a fantastic place for landsailing,
yet so few people are interested, WHY?


Great question, but last time this was discussed it opened a large can of worms about who did what to whom back in the mid 80's. The main thing is we get this sport back on track and share information, as you are doing, to make it as popular as it should be! Keep it up!!
Gizmo
Gizmo
SA
2865 posts
SA, 2865 posts
24 Jul 2008 8:35pm
Hillsy ... with diplomacy like that you could have applied for the vacancy left by Alexander Downer!!!!

P.S. Does the Adelaide club still have the club yachts?
hills
hills
SA
1622 posts
SA, 1622 posts
24 Jul 2008 8:42pm
I did

Yeah, DR has a blue Pacific Magic that was donated to the club by an ex-member. I can't remember who but you'd probably know them. He also owns that 2 seater but is always happy to take people out on it or hire it out with the proceeds going back to the club.
landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
24 Jul 2008 9:11pm
Hello mortals, God here,[}:)] hows it all going? Just thought Id pop down and see how you are all getting on at the coalface
just a couplle of words of wisdom for the week.
$600 for a good well designed new sail in 5.5oz cloth is good value . given the cost of materials and the fact that a trained person has to make it ,you are gettinga good deal.
. IMHO The price of an entry level blokart is good value. all the designing ,experimenting that you are doing has been done,you can upgrade to a good racing machine as you improve..... Brilliant.
Personally we should all be thankfull that someone has taken the time to do it all. I hope he makes a fortune and doesnt die young from the stress of being a successful businessman.
If you want a cheap entry level yacht ,i believe one of my desciples carved that one in stone earlier in the year and has gone off into the wilderness to spread the gospel to the lost tribes of windsurfers out in etherworld[:D.
down to the nitty gritty bits ., the green and blue beauty had rear wheels that were secondhand in 1992 and lived a long and happy life RIP
the front was a case of dont grind the weld to look better
the idea of a club yacht is a wonderful thing. I believe that those wonderful people who transport,rig,repair,maintain,clean,and love them are my blessed sheperds on your world. i thank them all for their continuing faith in our wonderful pastime. Live in the knowledge that people do appreciate you ,even if they dont show it and you will be noticed if you dont turn up as usual.


The sail material is POLYETHYLENE bulky bags, carefully cleaned and flattened and then used as per the instructions given in the recent Gospel by that desciple I talked of earlier
Finally children, a piece of simple wisdom, Chill out and enjoy each and every bit of the wonderful pastime that you have become part of
Peace,Wind and Tides be with you all
hills
hills
SA
1622 posts
SA, 1622 posts
24 Jul 2008 11:57pm
and he shall be known as "Saint Landyacht the resurrector of fence posts (and creator of hot air)"
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
25 Jul 2008 1:47am
landyacht said...
just a couplle of words of wisdom for the week.
$600 for a good well designed new sail in 5.5oz cloth is good value . given the cost of materials and the fact that a trained person has to make it ,you are gettinga good deal.

Exactly. If the trained person can get it spot on he is worth the $600, then add material cost.

. IMHO The price of an entry level blokart is good value. all the designing ,experimenting that you are doing has been done,you can upgrade to a good racing machine as you improve..... Brilliant.
Personally we should all be thankfull that someone has taken the time to do it all.

Couldn't agree more. I have to agree, I own two of the buggers.

I hope he makes a fortune and doesnt die young from the stress of being a successful businessman.

Having met Paul Beckett at Yeppoon last year, I doubt he will die of that. Maybe from living high off the hog but he doesn't seem to be the type.
In his words, "The blokarts pay the bills." Like most wealthy people (I said wealthy not rich, wealth is a state of being, rich is a state of mind) his real money is in real estate.


If you want a cheap entry level yacht ,i believe one of my desciples carved that one in stone earlier in the year and has gone off into the wilderness to spread the gospel to the lost tribes of windsurfers out in etherworld[:D.

"Into the Mystic" you might say. Apologies to Van Morrisson.


down to the nitty gritty bits ., the green and blue beauty had rear wheels that were secondhand in 1992 and lived a long and happy life RIP
the front was a case of dont grind the weld to look better
the idea of a club yacht is a wonderful thing. I believe that those wonderful people who transport,rig,repair,maintain,clean,and love them are my blessed sheperds on your world. i thank them all for their continuing faith in our wonderful pastime. Live in the knowledge that people do appreciate you ,even if they dont show it and you will be noticed if you dont turn up as usual.

Poetic Paul, damn poetic.


The sail material is POLYETHYLENE bulky bags, carefully cleaned and flattened and then used as per the instructions given in the recent Gospel by that desciple I talked of earlier
Finally children, a piece of simple wisdom, Chill out and enjoy each and every bit of the wonderful pastime that you have become part of
Peace,Wind and Tides be with you all


Hey Amigo, you are sounding more and more like a Robbing Hoods of the Old West all de times.
Adios Amigos, see you soons. Yah, me toos. Says Pancho. Gallop, gallop, gallop.....

cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
25 Jul 2008 1:51am
Gizmo said...

I think people could be sailing for a LOT LESS THAN $500.....heres how!!!!
Have a club yacht/s ( I know the adelaide club had several yachts at one stage) these yachts are the older superseeded yachts from club members that were to good to scrap but couldnt /or didnt want to be developed further.
This is an ideal situation as you would have experienced people around for instruction of new sailors with the important things like safety and sailing technique.


Right on the mark Brian.

agamackay
agamackay
QLD
58 posts
QLD, 58 posts
25 Jul 2008 10:51am
landyacht said...
the green and blue beauty had rear wheels that were secondhand in 1992

the front was a case of dont grind the weld to look better


Spoked wheels don`t take sideway strain applyed in a pitched landyacht for long.


Sorry the captions didn`t upload clearly...
"stingray hole-log-what-ever."
"Fork-chassis alignment does not allow shock/vibration transfer.
The chassis will break at the vibration point (red line) very quickly even without hitting anything as vibration (Steel Killer No.1) constantly works on this point. The join might have been square butt joint or mitre as in the STANDART that obviously inspired this yacht. Easily remideed

aga
agamackay
agamackay
QLD
58 posts
QLD, 58 posts
25 Jul 2008 2:41pm
landyacht said...
just a couplle of words of wisdom for the week.
$600 for a good well designed new sail in 5.5oz cloth is good value . given the cost of materials and the fact that a trained person has to make it ,you are gettinga good deal.

As a one-off-custom a very good deal no doubt.
Think ENTRY LEVEL...
Ancient Egyptian raw materials: Papyrus
ancient egypt: papyrus. ... one steering-oar for it, which is passed through the bottom of the boat; and they have a mast of acacia and
sails of papyrus. ...nefertiti.iwebland.com/trades/papyrus.htm


Man`s Entry Level aviators took to lead laided skies with linnen (bed sheets) wings 1914-18.

Traction Kites are made from light weight rip-stop-nylon.
Has anyone tried makeing a simple darted sail form this cheap readily available material?
A newbie might want to upgrade to custom-made-high-tec sails before entering the Paris-to-Dakar!

aga

hills
hills
SA
1622 posts
SA, 1622 posts
25 Jul 2008 3:22pm
I think you'd be infinitely better off sticking to modified windsurfer sails before looking at light weight rip-stop-nylon (or papyrus for that matter )
Gizmo
Gizmo
SA
2865 posts
SA, 2865 posts
25 Jul 2008 6:48pm
I once made a sail from poly tarp material.. It was about twice as thick as the standard blue stuff.
The color was Dark green and worked well UNTILL used on a hot sunny day, it lasted only a day or so before it delaminated.
All in all the time taken to design -sew-finish and then use. The work to use ratio was about 10:1 and in hindsight not worth the time and effort (UNLESS you are developing a radical and vastly different style of sail).
Just be careful with trying to make the cheapest possible yachts that it doesnt portray the "wrong" image of the sport.
As i have previously stated it may be better to make a well built and presented yacht to the public eyes and devote your funds and energy to a yacht that meets one of the "standard classes either 5 or 6".
I couldnt think of anything more embarrassing than a yacht sailing using bed sheets for sails and a badly designed yacht falling apart infront of a crowd ... this is NOT what the sport needs.....on many levels.

If i was racing in a class (what ever it may be) i would be the first to protest if yachts were sailing in that same class that were vastly outside the class rules /specs.
Promo girl
Promo girl
259 posts
259 posts
25 Jul 2008 6:08pm
Gizmo said...

Just be careful with trying to make the cheapest possible yachts that it doesnt portray the "wrong" image of the sport.
As i have previously stated it may be better to make a well built and presented yacht to the public eyes and devote your funds and energy to a yacht that meets one of the "standard classes either 5 or 6".
I couldnt think of anything more embarrassing than a yacht sailing using bed sheets for sails and a badly designed yacht falling apart infront of a crowd ... this is NOT what the sport needs.....on many levels.

If i was racing in a class (what ever it may be) i would be the first to protest if yachts were sailing in that same class that were vastly outside the class rules /specs.


Hi Gizmo - I can see where you are coming from however if you are not out to race with our yachts, develop a thriving club or sport or any of the other things that happen at a club level but just out to have a blast and muck around why would you need to care about class rules or what your yacht looked like as long as it went, you had fun and no one gets hurt?

IMO - those of us who want to see more racing, clubs and a thriving sport should welcome all comers. At a club level you can choose to race all types of yachts together and *if* necessary score classes seperately - with only in-spec yachts able to be qualified for class trophies. Over time it is likely that a number of the backyard bedsheet yachts builders will build something that does conform to current class specs and does give close racing. In the mean time we can always have open class racing at a club level and trophies and race days that are for most improved, ingenuative or whatever.

Lets face it the current class rules all need some looking at so I for one am not going to get hung up about rules when I am out sailing and not let a newbie sail/race with me at the club level. Championship racing of course is a different matter - but we still need to overhaul our class specs for that too.

Bring on the bedsheets lets get lots more new people into this great sport.
Susan
agamackay
agamackay
QLD
58 posts
QLD, 58 posts
25 Jul 2008 8:16pm
Thanks Gizzmo I`ll avoid poly tarps.
The traction kites mentioned seem to enjoy a long and happy life, as do tents and portable shades.
The bed sheet wings were just an example of design flow...
At <$6mX1.55m rip-stop should work & last (after trials if none have already been done).
A base chassis might fit a existing class, ENTRY LEVEL replaceable add-ons such as seating positon, mast, sail etc would be upgraded as piolt prgress his/her expereance...
How popular would Blokart be if existing class were their design limit?
How popular would air travel be if the Wright Flyer was the design limit?
Vibration traps have always been a concern in anything I`ve built (old school boilermaker).
The cheapest yacht will always be the home-made "DUMPSTER".
Low cost through national comglomerant bulk purchases doea not mean jewing out on materials
eg: 8X4 wheels $50.00@ local hardware // $5.00 from China...
there`s always a catch... min order 1000 + import?

Well said Promo Girl

aga
lachlan3556
lachlan3556
VIC
1066 posts
VIC, 1066 posts
25 Jul 2008 9:30pm
I believe landsailing would be best off having both class and non-class activities, I mean is there such a thing as too much sailing to be done?

At first glance (by unknowing public) the professional class spec racing will be the recruiting agent, but due to their cost we still need the cheaper non-class racing to allow for entry. Once into the sport its easier to organise a racing yacht to be designed and built either by a person alone or as part of a group to spread the cost (if that can of worms is to be opened). As with everything balance is the key to any success.

Just a quick thought, not all racing has to be about speed either


On the topic of cheap sails, I know a ripstop sail would work....BUT.....to get it to last a decent amount of time I think pressure on the sail would have to be kept so low that performance would be very low. If speed wasn't an issue, but say light wind sailing Im sure you could do something with ripstop.

Happy discussion and sailing to all

P.S. agamackay: Vibration traps?
Please Register, or first...
Topics Subscribe Reply

Return To Classic site 😭
Or... let us know if a problem, so we can tweak! 😅