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Please Excuse my Ignorance
As an After thought. For those that have a degree of academia, it might be a good Idea to further look at this sight and all that has, "Water Under the Bridge" etc. Much of which is, no doubt, repeated. People like the ol' Landyacht, aus203 etc should look at the wheres, why-fores, the how's etc. Along with Learned lessons, Plans Maps etc and correlate the info and Place it in a permanent Folder which you can direct beginners and the Academic Low achievers to rather than to regurgitate the same old info. Individual Club documents aside. I dunno where this stuff comes from but "It just seemed like a good idea at the time"[}:)]
Ron

Nikrum said...

So Cisco, Curiosity got the better of you Huh??
I just had to tell this story. Thanks for going along with me. Read no further Ok! If you do I will have to kill you.[}:)][}:)]


I have decided that I am not going to be fed to the Night Crawlers. It is the Big Bonfire for me. Mounted in the Stern of the ship is an Abalour Scotch (Single Malt) Bottle in which my ashes are going. To save me the embarrassment of Hanging about on my sons Mantel Piece over the Fire Place Gathering dust I am to be set out to Sea when a steady Southerly is blowing. If he chooses, the Rod Stewart song "Sailing" playing. A funny thing about the whole business he reckons he is going to hold back some of the ashes to incorporate in his Art.
Ok So now is your curiosity satiated?? Hmmmm

I think you might find that it illegal as it doesnt fit health dept regs. . could result in fines ......etc legal probs with estate.... its only just becoming legal to be buried in a shroud, and they have to be specially made ones.
. Ive a friend who has asked for some of his ashes to be ground fine and mixed into the deckgrip paint used on his favourite Tallship when it comes in for a refit ive promised to try

Just a little more on wheels.

I have tracked down a manufacturer in the USA that will ship to Aus'
Their product looks right for our purposes and gives Land Yachters a wider choice of wheels and Tires, specially while the AUD$$$$ is where it is at the moment.[$$]

http://www.azusaeng.com/wheels/wheelix.html

Good Afternoon Ron,

Thank you for your interest in Azusa Products for your Land Yacht use. Personally I love land yachts and envy those who have a place and means to have one. I am a peace & quiet person so it is right for me. Last ride was over 30 years ago.

Here is a bit of wheel info for you and you can decide what exactly you want to get pricing and shipping on.I am attaching catalog pages for your information and reference.

To fit within your size requirements the 8" wheels are to me the best choice. As you can see on page 6 there are 2 design choices with several bearing choices. Either the
Tri Star or the Spinner would work well for you. Both would accommodate the same tires see pages 12-13.

There are 2 you may like - both are round profile and OD is 16.5 - one is #7012 which is a rib tire Load Rating for 4ply which is what we carry is 670 lbs per tire.

The other one is a Smooth as they call it and has a very hard compound that wears well even though it is a 2 ply with Load Rating of 435 lbs.

As for the 10" wheel - it has always been an eye catcher and popular but we now have them stamped and plated overseas so the plating quality is poor and not even really a chrome appearance. We encourage all customers to purchase the Plain Black and have powder coated to match the project for a much nicer finish. The tires for these are ONLY available in Sawtooth and Universal Tread - much like a motorcycle. The diameter is 17.5"

Please study the spec page and photo pages and let me know what part numbers you would like pricing and shipping on. I also need your town and city/country code plus phone number for paperwork.

Joy @ Azusa

Ron

Well Why wouldn't I go for these




The tires are free at your local Aircraft Workshop, They are tougher than barrow tires.
I think that even though they are a little heavier than the Barrow wheel the higher tire pressure they can handle will decrees a fair bit of rolling resistance and may be give a little larger inflated Diameter. Trade Offs are a pert of life dealing with them is a part of Good Old Clean thought and logic. The Air Track tires pictured



are lighter than most.

Ron

Those results do not surprise me at all------After my antics today. I guess if you have Fallshaws then use them if you are going to buy then I suggest that you look seriously at Edwards Karts. I pulled 80.2k today on the end of the Runway Tarmac and had to pull away as the Chain Mesh Fence was coming up real fast amidst much squealing Rubber and Juddering turn then I repeated the effort on the return run. 80 with your butt that close to the deck is a little scary believe me.

Back to the Wheels. Go to your local Aircraft workshop at the Airfield and see if you can get yourself some used tires 6" x 5 to 6"wide. Usually you can get them for naught. If you can't then I have a couple you could use. Think about it. You'll probably pay 100 or more for a pair of Fallshaws and then keep paying for the rubber to keep sailing.
You can run the Aircraft tires at a much higher pressure and reduce the added rolling resistance and they will take the punishment of 80K Power Slides on Bitumen.
Ron

PS, you will have to make your way up to Wynyard some time for a run, that is if they don't cover it up with Gravel Heaps. Not a thing happens with that bit of land and since I started using it they tried using it as a car park and now a Gravel Dump. Buzzards

Paul,
Now there is a range of bearings that are available for the Edwards Ally's I settled for 3/4" / 19mm. I think 20mm were available. I have a couple of sets of tires (Not AirTrac's) which have a bit of tread left and would be good though a little heavier than the Air Trac's . Another thing is you can turn them around on the Rims and wear the other side out. Running at a higher pressure helps.

Ron

PS> Have a look at my Page.

Gizmo said...
PS. Nikrum, you might be missing the point with your statement "How ever competitive Racing and maneuvering disciplines would really need the Light Weight Large Dia' Wheels."
Lets say you have 2 wheels the same weight 1 a large Dia. the other say 1/2 the Dia. While the large wheel will roll easier, it takes longer to get to maximum speed, it also creates a flywheel effect the makes it want to roll straight forward [gyroscope] but will be harder to turn in a tight circuit.
The small wheel is harder to roll, gets to max speed easier and is easier to turn due to a smaller flywheel effect.
Which is best ???? land sailing is a sport of compromise.....

I notice on the Class Five Design thread there is talk of 19" and 26" wheels. So there is no acceleration advantage in these larger wheels? Thanks in advance.

Nikrum said...
Regarding the Bearing Housings, Is there any reason the Ali Rims can not be machined out then either fitting a larger Dia Bearing or setting in a Steel Bearing Housing?

No reason why that cannot be done Ron but hiring a machinist and his lathe is likely to cost $100/hour.

Also there is a big difference in price between common and uncommon sizes of bearings.

More economical to buy new rims unless you own a lathe and your time.

if the rims can be bought with a bearing that has a 20mm or 19mm shaft, then my post was probably moot, they have solved a problem for us

Hey Tassiefubar, even with the sudden stop, it looks like those zip ties anchors worked on the seat belt!!!!

Zip ties, duct tape and silicon make the world go round!!!!!

The fallshaws have turned up. But I waiting for the bearing mounting bushes as the ones that were supplied don't fit properly. Hmmmm!!
I got 15 complete wheels from my local bearing supplier here in Esperance WA.

When the bearings (6204) are fitted the black plastic bush is still sticking out from the face of the rim by 1mm or so. Over all width is 107mm. Bugger!!!!

I have plenty to go on with in the meantime anyway.



Stiched up the seat belts and got the dual seat almost ready today.
Thanks for the wheel recomendation Paul. The difference in quality against the Bumblings variety is huge!!! Haven't got a final cost yet.
Cheers Chook

Hi Test pilot, Thanks for the reply,

I am worried that they are not the right part, as I was using my workshop press that I built and they still wouldn't snug down. When I fitted the wheel to the axle and there was some slight rust on the shaft the bearing pulled out of the black plastic with very little effort.
Here is my press and I'm pushing the 20mm shaft into 25x25x3 RHS for the rear axles.



Cheers Chook

Hi Chook-

I just ran my vernier gauge over a set of Fallshaw adapters, 6204 20mm bearings and a fallshaw wheel, and it shows the adaptor is a bit too deep for the adaptor to seat fully into the wheel (or the hub of the wheel is too shallow to fully take the adaptor.

Ideally the hub needs to be set deeper to allow for the adaptor to seat properly, and the SPHOUSING6204 bearing adaptor could do with a redesign to allow the 6204 type bearing to seat a little deeper too.

I just checked the wheels fitted to "DANGEROUS GOODS" and they are the same- the bearings and the housings both protrude and dont sit flush!

I dont know how I missed seeing that before!

The extra protrusion might not leave much room for the retaining washers and minsup clips that secure the wheel to the shaft on the new chassis- but I will find a way around that.

It might be worth firing off an email to the Fallshaw factory as this might be a case of someone in the factory messing up a jig on the production line.

Fallshaw need to do something if thier own adaptors wont fit thier own wheels- or fully seat the bearings they are supposed to be designed to take!

Apart from this- and thier pricing in Australia compared to N.Z. - I cant fault the Fallshaw wheels!

Mine are like that --a small gap between wheel and insert
I noticed it when I got them So far hasnt proven to be a problem
I use a spacer between the bearings and they are held on with a washer and
8mm nyloc nut on a stud

Hi thanks guys for all that. So the bottom line is, as my wife has proven, I'm a fussy prick!!! But only in the shed.
It just seemed strange to see the gap. I will chuck one up in the lathe and see if I can re-invent the wheel, just so I sleep better.
Thanks for taking the trouble to measure yours for me men.

Yeh Nikrum I love the fat tires. These steel rims and turf tires came off a ride on mower and as Paul stated, they are heavy, but it's for a "recycle regatta" my fire brigade is hosting in Esperance.
I did get 2 extra fallshaw wheels for when I convert it back to a single seat. I've made the axles ready.

I have the Sismic (from Briskites) 8"x8" alloy rims with 21"x12wide tires on the rear of my kite buggy and a 4"x 8'' with the same tire on the front. This tire/rim set up runs so true and smooth. I use 1 psi in the rear and 2 psi in the front. This set up has lived on Pink Lake and our local beaches for over 12 months and they still look brand new!! I rinse them after every run with the hose when I get home.
They have done 2,732 GPS clocked kms and the bearings still feel fantastic.
Bloody pricey to purchase, but they are quality and were freight free.

Many thanks for your time fellas. Chook