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IPKSA
IPKSA
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177 posts
11 Apr 2011 6:24am
Its a Tyre size.

Car Tyre sizes eg 205/55 - 16 = width/ sidewall height as a % of width x Diameter.

I found this earlier - maybe it helps -


Tyre Markings eg 4.10/3.50-4, 4.10/3.50-6, 5.30/4.50-6
This time there are three parts to the tyre size, all in inches. The first, 4.10, is the approximate width of the tyre when fitted to the recommended wheel. The second, 3.50, is the height of the sidewall, and the third is the rim diameter.

So a 4.10/3.50-4 tyre is 4.1" wide, 3.5" tall on the sidewall and fits a 4" rim. This tyre would therefore have the appearance of a low profile tyre. ie it is lower than it is wide.


Alan
Gizmo
Gizmo
SA
2865 posts
SA, 2865 posts
11 Apr 2011 9:57am
Alan, when you get a chance is it possible to post an EXACT wording of the FISLY Mini Class rule so the relevant sections on seabreeze can be changed.
And also a link to that page on the FISLY web site.

People have been using the wording of your original post re; mini class as gospel.

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Land-Yacht-Sailing/Construction/FISLY-agreed-miniyacht-specs-now-adopted/
Nikrum
Nikrum
TAS
1972 posts
TAS, 1972 posts
11 Apr 2011 10:32am
Thanks for that IPSKA,
I tend to agree with K1W1307:-) on that one by stating X 8" one is then restricting the Rim width therefore it is either a width limit or redundant. Once again I suggest that
A; The Rim width be removed and the Tire size be simplified to a Max Dia
B; That an allowance of 6mm/.5"

The allowance is because as I discovered with the Cheaper versions of Imported 400/4.80 x8" tires that when inflated to the recommended pressure that they actually stood some 405mm high therefore being over sized.
Again I agree with your thoughts on smaller sizes, though I would suggest that they could be a disadvantage to those that would use them in competition i.e. Greater Rolling resistance and Damn! would they ever increase the shock value of any ripples/bumps on the race course.
Ron
kiwi307
kiwi307
488 posts
488 posts
11 Apr 2011 3:16pm
Sorry Ron, I am not going to agrre with your tolerance. Build it into the rule from the beginning, ie if those tyres do come up at 405mm, then use 410mm.
The whole thing is getting bogged in two differing things.
A 4.00 x 8" tyre is not designed as 400mm, it's 4 inches (as per the inclusion Alan used) it just happens in this case that the 4inch height, added twice to the 8" rim comes up close to 400mm!
Again, sorry but how do the tyres we know, 4.00/4.50 or 4.00/4.80 comply? In my simplistic mind anybody wanting to disagree with another competitor would be well within their rights to say "the multi sized tyres don't comply". Let's get this resolved before it becomes an issue, much easier in my opinion.
Nikrum
Nikrum
TAS
1972 posts
TAS, 1972 posts
11 Apr 2011 8:19pm
Kiwi307,
My thoughts were to simplify (So I thought) other than that thought then I guess as long as the tire has a legal size on it's side then it is acceptable.
Just a thought if that is the way it is then "So be it". None the less it has been a good discussion and as long as all the implications are bought out an informed decision can be made and locked in. I step away from further argument.
Thanks
Ron

landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
11 Apr 2011 9:06pm
IPKSA said...

Its a Tyre size.

Car Tyre sizes eg 205/55 - 16 = width/ sidewall height as a % of width x Diameter.

I found this earlier - maybe it helps -


Tyre Markings eg 4.10/3.50-4, 4.10/3.50-6, 5.30/4.50-6
This time there are three parts to the tyre size, all in inches. The first, 4.10, is the approximate width of the tyre when fitted to the recommended wheel. The second, 3.50, is the height of the sidewall, and the third is the rim diameter.

So a 4.10/3.50-4 tyre is 4.1" wide, 3.5" tall on the sidewall and fits a 4" rim. This tyre would therefore have the appearance of a low profile tyre. ie it is lower than it is wide.


Alan

i humbly apologise IKPSA, I showed your post to my tyre seller and he said yes that is correct as well and he had simplified the measuring system when hed explained it to me. I have recieved and consumer the 6 pack he gave me in the way of apology, and when we meet I will pass that 6 pack along

IPKSA
IPKSA
177 posts
177 posts
12 Apr 2011 3:26am
You could always buy another six pack first !


From the FISLY secretary -

These are the rules as voted on the GA of 14.10.2010 :

A Mini-yacht is :
- any assembled land or sand yacht that fits inside a continuous loop of rope 5,6 meter long.
- the wheel size is maximum 400 x 8
- the mast must be a circular tube; no wing section





Here is the proposal for refining to be voted on the next GA in September 2011 :



There is a proposal for adjustment of Mini-Yacht specifications on the measurement with the rope of 5,6 m.

'The rope must lie on the ground. The touching part of the tyres on the ground must fit inside the rope '
This adjustment will be proposed to vote on the GA at Hoylake in September 2011. Meanwhile it is recommended to respect it as a guideline.

Other proposal formulated in the meeting of 22.01.2011:
' wheel size is maximum 400x8' is to be changed to 'the tyre size'.


Alan

niaychi
niaychi
97 posts
97 posts
12 Apr 2011 4:17pm
Nikrum said...

Thanks for that IPSKA,
I tend to agree with K1W1307:-) on that one by stating X 8" one is then restricting the Rim width therefore it is either a width limit or redundant. Once again I suggest that
A; The Rim width be removed and the Tire size be simplified to a Max Dia
B; That an allowance of 6mm/.5"

The allowance is because as I discovered with the Cheaper versions of Imported 400/4.80 x8" tires that when inflated to the recommended pressure that they actually stood some 405mm high therefore being over sized.
Again I agree with your thoughts on smaller sizes, though I would suggest that they could be a disadvantage to those that would use them in competition i.e. Greater Rolling resistance and Damn! would they ever increase the shock value of any ripples/bumps on the race course.
Ron
just measured some tyres i bought two kings at 30 psi,405and 410 each,1 kenda at 30 psi 415 seams they vary quite a bit between manufactures,this will make it if that is all that is available.


landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
12 Apr 2011 7:34pm
IPKSA said...

You could always buy another six pack first !



sorry I wasnt clear on that ruling,
yes my interpretation was to to buy a new 6 pack rather than try to hold one in
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