I have regarded the Mini Yacht 5.6m Rule as a "In real life" rule rather than an "on the drawing board" rule.
Also it mentions "rope".... and would have thought the sheet rope to be the most convenient rope to have around when you were to measure a yacht.
People may try and twist the rule by using string, but like most rules in life people tend to push things to the limit rather than comply in the spirit of the rule.

On the ground as I understand it

i asked IKPSA the same question when he first made us aware of the idea.
Its a piece of of rope 5.6m long in a loop, sit your yacht in the loop , If your contacct point is over or outside the loop its too big. A LLM fits with ease.
I suspect with a FISLY World or even a European title up for grabs. this rule , for all its simplicity will become a headache. it will come down to the mindset of the participants

Gizmo said...

The FISLY definition of a "Mini Yacht" is.....

Any fully assembled sand yacht whose wheel footprint fits inside a loop of rope 5.6m long,
with a maximum wheel size of 4.00 x 8,(wheelbarrow style), a tubular / circular mast and no wing sections is regarded as a mini yacht

No wing sections. Does this refer to the sail, the axle or the seat?

The simple answer is to make the front end adjustable for length.

This is a great rule it will allow those that wish to push to the outer limits to do so if they choose to

And it's a rule that only limits expenditure by the size of the tyre!
Carbon wheels, quiver of sails, any material to make, etc etc etc

If the miniyacht wheels footprint fit inside the loop of rope its a Miniyacht !

You can have an adjustable front end, rear axles - but beware the spot checks !

Over the past week there were miniyacht events in France, Ireland, England, Belgium, South America and Spain that I know of. All sorts of miniyachts are sailing together, Potty, Ludic, Skoot, Silence, X- Sail, Blokart, Windbob, Windreamer,Plume kart, Libre,Viper etc etc.

The miniyacht arms race has truly begun and guesse what, lots of people all over the world are being introduced to and participating in the sport we all love, landsailing. Which is exactly what I hoped the miniyacht class would do, bring more people to the sport.

Now I call that a result !

Alan


Miniyachts everywhere rejoice !

Keep in touch with the Landsailing World, miniyacht and daily videos etc on the new FISLY facebook page,

www.facebook.com/login.php?next=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fhome.php%3Fsk%3Dlf

So, lets see what a miniyacht looks like ......

www.char-a-voile.com/www-uk/ludic.html
www.minilandyachts.co.uk/specs.html
www.char-a-voile.com/silence.html
www.x-sail.com/
www.windcar-mexico.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8&Itemid=15&lang=en
www.spike.com/video-clips/2iqxkv/kwikat-landsailer-flying-on-2-wheels-beside-ocean
www.the-zooter.com/
www.plumefactory.fr/yachts/1-plume-kart

www.landsegler.de/sail-kit.htm
www.windreamer.es/

www.blokart.com/#MapFrame

The man is talking about inclusive not exclusive I think

Looking at some pics from post IPSKA some of the sail buggy's (from Germany) are using 20" wheels where do they fit into the picture(I would love to stay with my 20") I have fitted wheel barrow wheels to comply but hate the things.
Cheers
Vic





minni aus230

Thanks Alan.
You are doing a great job keeping us informed
Cheers
Vic.

niaychi said...

Gizmo said...

The FISLY definition of a "Mini Yacht" is.....

Any fully assembled sand yacht whose wheel footprint fits inside a loop of rope 5.6m long,
with a maximum wheel size of 4.00 x 8,(wheelbarrow style), a tubular / circular mast and no wing sections is regarded as a mini yacht

Can anyone out there give us a clear definition of a wheel barrow style wheel as there are dozens of other 8 inch wheels available

1. Is the wheel you are looking at smaller than a 4.00 x 8 wheel barrow wheel... yes or no ? (the mini class rules mentions a maximum size)

2. What would the wheel normally be used for? If it was a bicycle, motor scooter, golf buggy etc then the answer would be no... if it would normally be used on a wheel barrow the answer would be yes.

If you have a wheel and it meets BOTH 1 & 2 YES its suitable, if it doesn't meet BOTH the answer would be NO.

If in doubt maybe you would like to post a picture and the dimensions of the wheel and see what others think.

Gizmo said...

niaychi said...

Gizmo said...

The FISLY definition of a "Mini Yacht" is.....

Any fully assembled sand yacht whose wheel footprint fits inside a loop of rope 5.6m long,
with a maximum wheel size of 4.00 x 8,(wheelbarrow style), a tubular / circular mast and no wing sections is regarded as a mini yacht

Can anyone out there give us a clear definition of a wheel barrow style wheel as there are dozens of other 8 inch wheels available

That means that a blokart doesnt fit the mini rules,as it doesnot use a wheel barrow wheel irrespective of the fact it is smaller i did see on this forum a suggestion it would comply

1. Is the wheel you are looking at smaller than a 4.00 x 8 wheel barrow wheel... yes or no ? (the mini class rules mentions a maximum size)

2. What would the wheel normally be used for? If it was a bicycle, motor scooter, golf buggy etc then the answer would be no... if it would normally be used on a wheel barrow the answer would be yes.

If you have a wheel and it meets BOTH 1 & 2 YES its suitable, if it doesn't meet BOTH the answer would be NO.

If in doubt maybe you would like to post a picture and the dimensions of the wheel and see what others think.

Gizmo said...

Isn't the name of this thread "How do you interpret the new rule?" that's just what I've done !!!!!

As i have seen in this forum a suggestion that blokarts could be regarded as a mini,so they are not allowed to compete as there wheels by definition are not wheel barrow wheels

This thread seems to be going no where and leaving a lot of contention. I would suggest that the creators of these rules go back to the drawing board and Clearly Define these Spec's. For instance the rope should be of a specific type to not allow any STRETCHING. At no time should the rope be pulled unnaturally taught. You should look closely at the Contact point of the Tires with the ground and perhaps specify which part of the contact point ie. Center, Outer or inner edge of the Contact Patch.

Wheel specifications should be measured by the Outer Diameter and perhaps applied to a Tire Size as tires expand when air pressure is included. If a tire is blown up and it's Dia is 405mm but is Specified 400/480 x 8 then it is suitable for said class. I am using a 400/480/8 which is on a 8 x2.5 Rim this type of thing will alter both OA Dia and OA Width of the tire but it still remains a 400/480x8. As has been mentioned there are many types of wheel barrows with various types of wheels varying in Dia and Width ..
At this point I am suggesting that may hap Sizing "From Too" should be used to define a suitable tire for the said Class.
Absolutism in these cases should reduce any conjecture.

Ron

I would interprete 4.00x8 as a rim size as opposed to a tyre size, , I have a number of tyres designed to fit that rim size that give various overall diameters. could IKPSA please clarify