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merman
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27 Aug 2008 11:32pm
ha ha aha

saweet... bucket bongs all round

i,m edge-a-ma-kated i tels ya...

yaaay found megun
KFKiter
KFKiter
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213 posts
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27 Aug 2008 11:27pm
I'm glad the thief got a hiding, he derserved it if he's breaking into cars.
Just remember when in view of the public always palm strike the little bastard.
If there is witnesses they never saw a punch, and palm strikes can inflict more pain without splitting your knuckles on some loser.
sandgroper
sandgroper
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27 Aug 2008 10:18pm
Well having incited everyone to write (pun, ie write - riot, get it ? ) it looks like some consesus is evolving here, and I do agree that the courts are to blame.

I think a Lee Kuan Yew style Police State - where the cops have almost military authority to deal out justice on the spot - has merit. I'd rather the cops had the ultimate power than the crims. It may mean letting go of some democratic rights, but tell me, when did you last take part in a protest rally ?

If the price of unfettered democracy is that crime flourishes then lets have a few fetters on our feedoms, for the sake of good goverment.
vishy
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WA
451 posts
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27 Aug 2008 11:07pm
I have been thinking about this post for a bit, and obviously once we start talking politics/law it gets too involved as no one wants all out anarchy but..

Put yourselves in the thieves shoes. All you have to do is swing past your local high school to get an example, teacher has no control over the kids because there are no consequences for playing up in class(detention:teachers time is worth more than the kids so it doesn't happen, suspension:kid gets a free holiday) usually the kids cause a riot just for **** and giggles. Whereas I'm sure someone on here can vouch for the stories of the cane back in the day etc. where no **** went down because of the consequences.

Risk vs. reward for the turds that are stealing the gear. Risk: they get a slap on the wrist at court(from what I am told). Reward:free cash for doing nothing. Sounds like a pretty good deal to me. Now if we happen to change it around so that every $100 worth of gear they steal they get a broken bone, well the deal doesnt sounds so good now does it?

Interesting post
Matt
GreenPat
GreenPat
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4103 posts
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28 Aug 2008 1:18am
vishy said...

I have been thinking about this post for a bit, and obviously once we start talking politics/law it gets too involved...


It also starts to come out of the grey area of moderation into the area where we say 'politics don't belong on Seabreeze' and lock threads. We've been watching this one with interest, if we can keep it well enough in the grey area it might just stay active...
user
user
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28 Aug 2008 6:21am
With the current economic climate,and the current social attitudes,I think its safe to say that things could get worse.

If you don't want to get robbed,its best not to leave valuables in a vulnerable position i.e. a car parked in a secluded area,maybe near an area housing those on a low income or welfare supported.
Theft is being made more and more tempting because of the value of goods left "locked" in cars. The reality of the "lock" is that it is easily breached by a rock!
Some of the hauls I hear of are outstanding,

Not uncommon:

Laptop computer $500-2000

Camera $100 - 2000

Mobile phone $100 - 1000

MP3 player $100--500

Wallet $ 5 -- ??????

Credit cards $30 - $????

Kite $200 -2000

Board $200-1100

Plus other small things.

My car was robbed twice,and the thing I always remember was a pair of expensive sunglasses which were a gift with sentimental value.

I have a system now whereby anything I cannot bear to have stolen is relatively safe. Its not hard,remember you only have to protect yourself from "honest" thieves,
the quick opportunist,you wont stop the "pro" that takes your whole f ukn car !

Anyone desperate enough to rob cars is most likely not afraid of a beating. They probably got one every day of their life!

Where I come from,you would most likely find that they have a knife,when you wear it !
Mr float
Mr float
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3452 posts
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28 Aug 2008 8:44am
user said...

With the current economic climate,and the current social attitudes,I think its safe to say that things could get worse.

If you don't want to get robbed,its best not to leave valuables in a vulnerable position i.e. a car parked in a secluded area,maybe near an area housing those on a low income or welfare supported.
Theft is being made more and more tempting because of the value of goods left "locked" in cars. The reality of the "lock" is that it is easily breached by a rock!
Some of the hauls I hear of are outstanding,

Not uncommon:

Laptop computer $500-2000

Camera $100 - 2000

Mobile phone $100 - 1000

MP3 player $100--500

Wallet $ 5 -- ??????

Credit cards $30 - $????

Kite $200 -2000

Board $200-1100

Plus other small things.

My car was robbed twice,and the thing I always remember was a pair of expensive sunglasses which were a gift with sentimental value.

I have a system now whereby anything I cannot bear to have stolen is relatively safe. Its not hard,remember you only have to protect yourself from "honest" thieves,
the quick opportunist,you wont stop the "pro" that takes your whole f ukn car !

Anyone desperate enough to rob cars is most likely not afraid of a beating. They probably got one every day of their life!

Where I come from,you would most likely find that they have a knife,when you wear it !


well said
moon waxing
moon waxing
WA
312 posts
WA, 312 posts
28 Aug 2008 8:15am
sandgroper said...
I think a Lee Kuan Yew style Police State - where the cops have almost military authority to deal out justice on the spot - has merit.


I've had two locked up push bikes stolen in Singapore so don't believe the hype.

theDoctor
theDoctor
NSW
5786 posts
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28 Aug 2008 10:58am
sandgroper said...

Well having incited everyone to write (pun, ie write - riot, get it ? ) it looks like some consesus is evolving here, and I do agree that the courts are to blame.

I think a Lee Kuan Yew style Police State - where the cops have almost military authority to deal out justice on the spot - has merit. I'd rather the cops had the ultimate power than the crims. It may mean letting go of some democratic rights, but tell me, when did you last take part in a protest rally ?

If the price of unfettered democracy is that crime flourishes then lets have a few fetters on our feedoms, for the sake of good goverment.



yes thats what we need, a police state and martial law,

'please sir lock me up, make me a slave and a prisoner on my own planet and take away my freedoms so the bad mans won't won't scare me no more'

moron

'who ever shall give up freedom for security shall have neither'- ben franklin
tot
tot
WA
19 posts
tot tot
WA, 19 posts
28 Aug 2008 1:52pm
In the USA you can be detained/locked up with no questions asked , no legal representation for as long as they want!!

take some of our rights back you think - kook

Australia dont become America

kyle
mattyjee
mattyjee
WA
575 posts
WA, 575 posts
28 Aug 2008 2:10pm
If you keep feeding the seagulls they will keep coming back for more.

I know that it's not possible, but if EVERYONE at the beach kept ALL valuables out of the car, then eventually cars would stop being broken into as there would be nothing to gain by doing so. That is why it is so important that as a group we all keep valuables out of our cars. Not just for you, but for the next person.

The problem is then, that the seagulls will go somewhere else to feed...
Supersane
Supersane
NSW
174 posts
NSW, 174 posts
28 Aug 2008 5:24pm
user said...

With the current economic climate,and the current social attitudes,I think its safe to say that things could get worse.

If you don't want to get robbed,its best not to leave valuables in a vulnerable position i.e. a car parked in a secluded area,maybe near an area housing those on a low income or welfare supported.
Theft is being made more and more tempting because of the value of goods left "locked" in cars. The reality of the "lock" is that it is easily breached by a rock!
Some of the hauls I hear of are outstanding,

Not uncommon:

Laptop computer $500-2000

Camera $100 - 2000

Mobile phone $100 - 1000

MP3 player $100--500

Wallet $ 5 -- ??????

Credit cards $30 - $????

Kite $200 -2000

Board $200-1100

Plus other small things.

My car was robbed twice,and the thing I always remember was a pair of expensive sunglasses which were a gift with sentimental value.

I have a system now whereby anything I cannot bear to have stolen is relatively safe. Its not hard,remember you only have to protect yourself from "honest" thieves,
the quick opportunist,you wont stop the "pro" that takes your whole f ukn car !

Anyone desperate enough to rob cars is most likely not afraid of a beating. They probably got one every day of their life!

Where I come from,you would most likely find that they have a knife,when you wear it !


Nah, recently a couple of young guys got done in Perth recently. All they were getting was:

mobile phone $20
Laptop $50 - $100

Crazy....

The fella they were on selling it to got done as well. I'm not sure about the what happened to them but eventually it is 'juvey' and that's when the real trouble starts. I know what some of the replies to this will be... but at the end of the day a lot of young fellas don't get the start in life that we got.

Smedg
Smedg
NSW
836 posts
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28 Aug 2008 7:44pm
Man... there is way toooo much hate in this thread. People don't learn positive lessons from getting bashed even if they think they do. The most they can learn is that you get your way by bashing people. As for slogans like HTFU... it can be funny in context for sure but seriously, maybe we need to look at ourselves when angry at others and HTFU.. eg. get your **** stolen, HTFU. Don't let your anger control you, your sense of revenge or justice drive you. two wrongs don't ever ever ever ever ever make a right. stealing is wrong. Bashing is wrong. (and in my personal opinion, worse). Look after yourselves and each other. And whenever you start thinking your rights have been violated or you've been ripped off, make sure you respond by upholding, protecting and advocating rights of others. Rather than narrow mindedly considering only your own loss. thieves may be ****s that won't learn compassion and or empathy no matter what. they may be one bashing away from becoming so cold and hardened to life that they speed off concerned only with themselves after their beating and don't see the kid on the bike. Do good things, more good options present themselves. Do bad things, less options present themselves and the negative options become far more plausible and even appealing.
jumpindave
jumpindave
WA
124 posts
WA, 124 posts
28 Aug 2008 6:29pm
SORRY RANGA!!!
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
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28 Aug 2008 6:51pm
Smedg said...

Man... there is way toooo much hate in this thread. People don't learn positive lessons from getting bashed even if they think they do. The most they can learn is that you get your way by bashing people. As for slogans like HTFU... it can be funny in context for sure but seriously, maybe we need to look at ourselves when angry at others and HTFU.. eg. get your **** stolen, HTFU. Don't let your anger control you, your sense of revenge or justice drive you. two wrongs don't ever ever ever ever ever make a right. stealing is wrong. Bashing is wrong. (and in my personal opinion, worse). Look after yourselves and each other. And whenever you start thinking your rights have been violated or you've been ripped off, make sure you respond by upholding, protecting and advocating rights of others. Rather than narrow mindedly considering only your own loss. thieves may be ****s that won't learn compassion and or empathy no matter what. they may be one bashing away from becoming so cold and hardened to life that they speed off concerned only with themselves after their beating and don't see the kid on the bike. Do good things, more good options present themselves. Do bad things, less options present themselves and the negative options become far more plausible and even appealing.


Right-on Smedg. ^^^^
Finally,
Someone actually gets it.

Smedg
Smedg
NSW
836 posts
NSW, 836 posts
28 Aug 2008 9:01pm
jumpindave said...

SORRY RANGA!!!


hahahaha

puck u miss. sorry ranga day is ova


ps yeah slave, I actually ignored the thread for a day or so hoping the tide would turn. reading your post made me post instead of just being grossed out be all the anger.
jumpindave
jumpindave
WA
124 posts
WA, 124 posts
28 Aug 2008 7:07pm
Rangas need support to.
Charl dv
Charl dv
WA
2485 posts
WA, 2485 posts
28 Aug 2008 11:57pm
Wow.. user actually said something that people can ACTUALLY agree with. well done user.


and as to vishys post i can agree and actually relate. When living in SA i did my first 3 yrs of school there where the cane and wooden ruler was still in use, i remember how quiet and hard working each class was, it might only have been year 1 - 3 but still i can remember the difference between that and my first day at school in NZ, it was JOY i could talk and do as i please because everyone else was doing the same, i got used to the fact that i can do stuff and never get in as much trouble as i did in SA so i pissed around alot and look at me now, im in yr12 struggling my arse off because im soo lazy and unmotivated to do work, i dont have good study habits and up to now i have really just bin skimming through school on natural ability. Teachers, ESPECIALLY at public schools have absolute zero control over students, Shyt ive been away almost 6 days in the last two weeks going to doctors etc and they havnt even noticed, i talk as much as i want the worst i get out of it is a be quiet please or a move to the front. once i got made to sit in front of the princciples office.. on the grass outside during lunch for truenting english. its pathetic.. same with little peti theives they get away with everything and get nothing but a slap on the wrists.

i am still at school, during winter i did very little work to earn money as i was actually doing a little bit of school work for once in my life, my car got broken into at Mullaloo a week before exams and the only thing stolen was the backpack on the seat which ironically was my school bag with all my exam prep calculators etc, i had a $200 cash in the glove box from being paid for work, my phone, glasses, kite in the back etc all sitting there but luckily none of that was taken. i actually wished they stole my kites instead of school stuff as i could of insurance claimed it but a couple of days before exams and all ya **** goes missing is a heavy hit to take and i will still kick the sh!t out of the lil basterds if i ever see them breaking into another car, im not very pro violence either dont get me wrong, ive seen enough in nz to be put off it and rather keep my hands clean but there are times where i must say it will solve the problem, we caught a basterd breaking into my m8s commodore a couple years ago and he got what was coming to him[}:)] ...


point being if ur gona Fk with other peoples sh!t u gota be prepared for the consequences. dont fk with my sh!t dont get hurt. simple.
Dawn Patrol
Dawn Patrol
WA
1991 posts
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29 Aug 2008 8:06am
Charl dv said...

Wow.. user actually said something that people can ACTUALLY agree with. well done user.



i am still at school, during winter i did very little work to earn money as i was actually doing a little bit of school work for once in my life, my car got broken into at Mullaloo a week before exams and the only thing stolen was the backpack on the seat which ironically was my school bag with all my exam prep calculators etc, i had a $200 cash in the glove box from being paid for work, my phone, glasses, kite in the back etc all sitting there but luckily none of that was taken. i actually wished they stole my kites instead of school stuff as i could of insurance claimed it but a couple of days before exams and all ya **** goes missing is a heavy hit to take and i will still kick the sh!t out of the lil basterds if i ever see them breaking into another car, im not very pro violence either dont get me wrong, ive seen enough in nz to be put off it and rather keep my hands clean but there are times where i must say it will solve the problem, we caught a basterd breaking into my m8s commodore a couple years ago and he got what was coming to him[}:)] ...


point being if ur gona Fk with other peoples sh!t u gota be prepared for the consequences. dont fk with my sh!t dont get hurt. simple.


I agree. Kick the living crap out of them, if you think you can. Always assume they have a knife, because they probably will. But if there is 3 of you, and one of them. Well....
People always bring up the "We had a crap childhood" claim. What a load of junk.My 6yr old cousin knows it's wrong. I'm sure these people do. It's not like they are unfed, (stealing to survive is a confusing one for me?).
How about trying to get a job like normal people? Places like HJ's would hire anyone wearing pants on.
I've heard a few people that steal stuff from cars, and they don't have the best family. But it wasn't unbearable, and they were at an ok school. If only I was 2ft bigger than them. Instead of the other way around

They should re-introduce the "Steal and get half your arm chopped off" law. Now that would sort them out for good.
Coral Sea
Coral Sea
QLD
476 posts
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29 Aug 2008 4:14pm
Interesting thread. My 5 cents worth:

"Violence brings bad karma and more violence"

"Violence isn't a solution"


These aren't idle words. They haven't been bandied around for a few thousand years for nothing. Think about it.......

Revenge is no doubt our first response to being wronged.

But is it the right response?

The situation in the Middle east is a classic example of people taking revenge as the first option. A couple of thousand years and where has it got them? They are still killing each other and the hatred runs so deep that they will probably be killing each other for a few thousand more.

Once the violence goes on long enough, no-one even knows who was "right" and who was "wrong" in the first place.

The Balkans.

Sudan.

Rwanda.

Don't exactly know what the solution is - but violence toward kite thieves isn't it......
junglist
junglist
VIC
701 posts
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29 Aug 2008 5:34pm
neoniphon said...

The situation in the Middle east is a classic example of people taking revenge as the first option. A couple of thousand years and where has it got them? They are still killing each other and the hatred runs so deep that they will probably be killing each other for a few thousand more.



Agree with most of what you say but the situation in the Middle East has more to do with collective guilt over the Holocaust added to competition over a valuable and dwindling resource. Plus the post colonial and present empire building world powers taking the opportunity to increase their sphere of influence and use some of their lethally bright shiny toys that WE pay for.

All in the name of 'democracy' of course. It's not about oil its about EVIL SADDAM and his Weapons of Mass Destruction......can anybody remember those?? Mr Bush??? Mr Blair??? Mr Howard??? WMD's??? No??? Anyone???

Veers well off topic!






Manny
Manny
WA
89 posts
WA, 89 posts
29 Aug 2008 7:20pm
I know who is right and who is wrong. The scummy thief that steals peoples stuff that they worked hard for is WRONG and the average person has every RIGHT to go about their lives without being violated. And it`s not right just to be told "Hard luck". Or maybe the theif had a hard up bringing, that does not make it right.
Petty crime should be delt with more harshly, if they get away with it then they try more bigger and bolder crimes.
Manny
Manny
WA
89 posts
WA, 89 posts
30 Aug 2008 1:03am
oh,, and my misses is always right even when she`s wrong, I`ve just got to live with that.
forbsy
forbsy
VIC
49 posts
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20 Sep 2008 4:13pm
"An eye for an eye, makes the whole world blind"
Mahatma Ghandi
No truer words spoken by one man who lead an entire nation advocating none violence against greater prejudices and injustice then mere petty theft.
So long as we continue to justify violence as a means of achieving justice, we will continue to be blinded from the natural processes of ‘cause and effect’.
What goes around, does indeed, come around.

BoDiddly
BoDiddly
VIC
622 posts
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21 Sep 2008 9:24pm
sandgroper said...

TOAD said...

What world do you live in Sandgroper cause I don't think your in the real one ....


...and which only goes to reprove the public perception of kitesurfers as rude arrogant self opinionated childish bullying types, completely full of themselves.

Grow up.


Gee, thanks for the generalisation, I appreciate it.
Danger Mouse
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WA
592 posts
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29 Sep 2008 11:22am
mattyjee said...

I've had my house broken into once before while i was home.
The next few sleepless nights allowed my imagination and creativity to run free.

If i ever catch someone in my house again (at night), this is what i'm gonna do:
Tie him up (well).
Drag him to the back of my ute and throw him on (all this with a poker face and no words spoken). maybe a punch or two for compliance.
Throw on a jerry can full of petrol.
Throw on an axe.
Throw on a shovel.
Drive him out towards the hills somewhere, and then go off road a little bit so that he can see the trees and knows he is in the middle of nowhere.
By this stage he should have crapped himself so hard that he's becoming inside-out, so i would just dump him off the back, loosen his ropes and drive myself home.



LOVE it matty!!!!!!!
D
Danger Mouse
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WA
592 posts
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29 Sep 2008 11:41am
tot said...

In the USA you can be detained/locked up with no questions asked , no legal representation for as long as they want!!

take some of our rights back you think - kook

Australia dont become America

kyle



Where are you getting your information for that one from Kyle?

D
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2897 posts
SA, 2897 posts
29 Sep 2008 1:28pm
Wasn't the original post about a surfer beating up on somebody in the carpark?

what's new about that?

Lucky the Thief didn't drop in on him, Now that would be a real beating.
kitecrazzzy
kitecrazzzy
WA
2184 posts
WA, 2184 posts
29 Sep 2008 11:22pm
it's not the laws that are wrong, you see how over the top traffic laws can become; they keep upping and upping the punishments to the point where you can get bigger punishments without due criminal process for a hoonish act like a burn out in an industrial estate that far far out shines the punishments for assault or other legitimate victim crimes but do those who are inclined to do that sort of thing care?? NO.
Raising the punishment does nothing. maybe it is time to examine the social structure to work out the bad point and fix the problem not try stamp out the symptoms without studying their cause.
BigFatMick
BigFatMick
273 posts
273 posts
29 Sep 2008 11:26pm
I can now see why Pauline Hanson got so many votes in her short, overtly newsworthy, political career. But she still wasn't right-wing enough to compete with the Liberals of the time.

Then again, given my short height to weight ratio, I probably would have taken a wheel brace to the original offender mentioned in the original post... although, in the interest of humainity, I'd have aimed low about the kneecaps and shins (don't they hurt like the mothafugga when hit hard and sharp?). Or I'd have bit him with me big sharp gnashing teeth!
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