Select to expand quoteWoodo said..jbshack said..Woodo said..
Bit rich JB baggin KOTP stats when you've gone from one post saying there's 5000 left to 4 posts later saying there's 3500 and then going there's under 10,000. That's a bloody huge variance. I know your only quoting what these so called 'experts' think but so is he.
Bit rich? Not really. I was asked to provide some proof, or evidence to support my argument when i challenged the home made graph, that said there may be over 160 000 sharks world wide. SO i did that and to try and add some balance mate i quoted the highest and lowest figures i could find. My original number of 5000 seems to have been smack in the middle of the two but sorry mate if my QUOTE was not quite accurate enough for you
KOTP is obviously very concerned. SO why would he not want to do something to help himself? Why should it be up to the government to do it for you
There are options for Surfers other than trying to force your opinions of a cull on to the rest of the world. SO take the initiative and HELP YOURSELF first. Thats my point
The question was asked a few pages ago by someone else, how many of the anti brigade have bought a Shark Shield?
One person pipped up saying it didn't work for the abb diver (sorry his name I'm not sure) but if you read the coroners report you will see that he had it attached to his air hose and it was on the surface, so rendered useless due to miss use. So that excuse doesn't float, to say it doesn't work. Or is it actually that the threat of shark attack is real, but it is very slim and not worth the $300 investment
It really is common sense.
When did I say anything about your quote not be accurate enough for me. I simply said if your facts and figures are all over the place don't bag his.
I can't see how you can call it "proof" or "evidence" either with such a massive difference in figures. Sounds more like an uneducated guess.
Yes I own a sharksheild and use it. And no I don't believe it works but I will still continue to wear it. When you have it hanging on a rope directly under your boat at steep point and watch as 8ft plus sharks take your fish right next to it, it does put just a little bit of doubt in your mind.
To be honest JB your not really doing yourself any favours in trying to get your point across if you start attacking the person, not the issue.
I understand your passionate about the issue which i can perfectly understand but try see other peoples view. Even though you might not agree with them...
If you re read my post to KOTP Woodo you will see it wasn't an attack, more a suggestion. I say it again, if your that worried either get shield or similar product OR Stay out of the water..That way you'll be safe..Is that a incorrect statement Woodo?
If they start to kill great white sharks, how many should they kill? And after they have killed that many is there still and guarantee, that you will then be 100% safe from shark attack?
As for not doing myself any favours, well i don't get that one? Especially when you say I'm attacking someone when in fact i am pointing out the only true way to stay safe. My point still stands, you want a safe guarantee then stay out of the water That is the only one you will get. FACT.
A cull is just a fluffy blanket, or a pacifier like a 2 year child old sleeps with
Select to expand quotewestozwind said..
Let the hysteria continue.
From twitter: @SLSWA
@SLSWA: Fisheries advises 1.2m, Black Tip Reef Shark, Iluka beach, 20m offshore, hdng towards Ocean Reef, reported 1025
If they start reporting every shark, there will be a constant feed!
jebus. a 1.2m black tip reefie?
WHAT A FARCE
Select to expand quotepweedas said..southace said..
Yes most of us follow the news I'm sure? And if you went to the trouble to remind us by typing and researching the history well done. But the only problem is that your not really coming up with a awnser apart from a cull which we all know will not go ahead but thanks for your opinion and the stats , cheers king!
I've already stated the answer a number of times, and it's dirt cheap.
The only problem is, it gets drowned out by a barrage of fog about apex predators and destroying the oceans and so much more highly improbable rubbish.
THE SOLUTION IS ;-
At regularly spaced intervals around the coast,
license a number of commercial fishermen
and issue a standing order
so that when there is an attack on someone
who is in an area which is a long established swimming, surfing or diving area,
they have immediate permission and authority
to get out there and bait the shark
catch it
and kill it.
There,.. I've set it out in simple logical steps.
Not very complex really, and yet it seems to be beyond the capacity of anyone to implement it.
If in 5 years time we have killed 20 sharks and the attacks have not diminsihed, then we can call in all the degreed and doctorated experts to tell us what they found by reading up stuff on the internet, and look at trying some of the difficult and expensive ideas that are now being suggested.
the problem with your idea here is that its S-T-U-P-I-D, your suggesting to stop shark attacks we must first wait for ( get ready for it) a shark attack!!,
Select to expand quotejbshack said..Woodo said..jbshack said..Woodo said..
Bit rich JB baggin KOTP stats when you've gone from one post saying there's 5000 left to 4 posts later saying there's 3500 and then going there's under 10,000. That's a bloody huge variance. I know your only quoting what these so called 'experts' think but so is he.
Bit rich? Not really. I was asked to provide some proof, or evidence to support my argument when i challenged the home made graph, that said there may be over 160 000 sharks world wide. SO i did that and to try and add some balance mate i quoted the highest and lowest figures i could find. My original number of 5000 seems to have been smack in the middle of the two but sorry mate if my QUOTE was not quite accurate enough for you
KOTP is obviously very concerned. SO why would he not want to do something to help himself? Why should it be up to the government to do it for you
There are options for Surfers other than trying to force your opinions of a cull on to the rest of the world. SO take the initiative and HELP YOURSELF first. Thats my point
The question was asked a few pages ago by someone else, how many of the anti brigade have bought a Shark Shield?
One person pipped up saying it didn't work for the abb diver (sorry his name I'm not sure) but if you read the coroners report you will see that he had it attached to his air hose and it was on the surface, so rendered useless due to miss use. So that excuse doesn't float, to say it doesn't work. Or is it actually that the threat of shark attack is real, but it is very slim and not worth the $300 investment
It really is common sense.
When did I say anything about your quote not be accurate enough for me. I simply said if your facts and figures are all over the place don't bag his.
I can't see how you can call it "proof" or "evidence" either with such a massive difference in figures. Sounds more like an uneducated guess.
Yes I own a sharksheild and use it. And no I don't believe it works but I will still continue to wear it. When you have it hanging on a rope directly under your boat at steep point and watch as 8ft plus sharks take your fish right next to it, it does put just a little bit of doubt in your mind.
To be honest JB your not really doing yourself any favours in trying to get your point across if you start attacking the person, not the issue.
I understand your passionate about the issue which i can perfectly understand but try see other peoples view. Even though you might not agree with them...
If you re read my post to KOTP Woodo you will see it wasn't an attack, more a suggestion. I say it again, if your that worried either get shield or similar product OR Stay out of the water..That way you'll be safe..Is that a incorrect statement Woodo?
If they start to kill great white sharks, how many should they kill? And after they have killed that many is there still and guarantee, that you will then be 100% safe from shark attack?
As for not doing myself any favours, well i don't get that one? Especially when you say I'm attacking someone when in fact i am pointing out the only true way to stay safe. My point still stands, you want a safe guarantee then stay out of the water That is the only one you will get. FACT.
A cull is just a fluffy blanket, or a pacifier like a 2 year child old sleeps with
A statement is just that JB. A statement. There is no right or wrong answer.
I'm not going to get into nitt picky arguements and start pulling numbers out of the air just to try and justify actions. These have been discussed and argueed countless times in these forums after the seemingly all too often attacks which are occuring along our coastline.
I have said my piece many times and i'm sure most people know where i stand on the issue.
I know where you stand and I don't have a problem with that.
Have a nice day 
Select to expand quoteWA71 said..
Happy to be corrected on this woodo but I thought the shark sheilds were only effective with white sharks. Not sure tho..
Not as far as I'm aware mate however I am no expert.
I do know that they effect different breeds of sharks differently because i've seen it with my own eyes.
Select to expand quoteking of the point said..
The bad joke started in 2000 with Ken Crew attack at Cottesloe .
Now this is the iconic WA location and beach. the in action and dismissive attitude of the politically correct ,fisheries experts , politician, sat behind the poor old great white.
There was one person whom Comment on this attack that being VIC HISLOP the only true expert on the subject matter.
The way he was treated for his frank opinion ,that there was basically a rouge shark / sharks and they would be back and needed to be KILLED was laugh at.
WELL WHO LAUGHING AT WHO ..................GO GET THEM VIC HISLOP WE NEED YOUS HERE NOW.
The fisheries and the efforts after the fact is a joke. What fisheries officer is qualified for this............. HaHaha
The in action and tagging program needs to be stepped up
Here is one of my basic ideas ............
1 why are the fisheries disposing of dead whales by burying them along the metro beaches? ,This is shark food and attracting them to the coast ............ use them but not like this
Toe all the dead whales to say 3 to 5 locations approx 100km off and around the coast , and or supply whales to these locations ,yes, ones we kill...... chain them into groups off 2 of 3 to the bottom.
This would attract.... at some point ALL GREATS WHITES to these locations
The fisheries / marine personnel could then tag 99 % of them
In combination with the right coastal monitoring stations 99% of all great whites could be monitored
With out setting up an area to attract them to be tagged there no change ,
we should not be loosing human life at the rate we are to rouge coastal Great white
mmmmmmm, so your gunna monitor 99% of a species that you know little about, in an environment, ocean, were humans dont reign supreme?? Good luck with that man, and how is this all gunna be paid for? start charging every surfer $10 a wave? Right now, today, the only things humans could do to prevent themselves from being attacked by sharks is screening, a wall etc, thats it!!! "WELL WHOS LAUGHING AT WHO".......its me laughing at what is considered rational intellect coming out of WA, hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, enjoy
Select to expand quoteWoodo said..WA71 said..
Happy to be corrected on this woodo but I thought the shark sheilds were only effective with white sharks. Not sure tho..
Not as far as I'm aware mate however I am no expert.
I do know that they effect different breeds of sharks differently because i've seen it with my own eyes.
Yeah i thought they worked on most sharks.
There was a guy diving in Busselton a year or so ago who said a 4.5 GW charged him at speed, only to swing 180 degrees at last minute. It tried a few more times before they made it to boat and he said each time it got closer, but still kept fish away by about a meter. He actually commented he didn't think a shark so big could have been as agile and turned so hard. Obviously he was happy with the product..
I have looked into Shark Safe and i really like the idea. Problem for me is what board to put it in as I'm still changing every few months..But if i was to surf down safe, often or offshore i would grab one straight away..
I should say i wouldn't use a Shark Shield. I don't like the way it brings the shark in first and TBH i don't think the risk FOR ME is justified.
Select to expand quotepweedas said..
All this talk about using shark shields or other preventative measures are based on an incorrect premise.
The assertion that they work because no-one has been attacked while using one correctly, is more a proof that very few people use them.
You would need a large number of people to use them before you could make any reasonable conclusion as to whether they worked.
I think they probably reduce the risk slightly but if a large shark decides to investigate what it's all about, they will do so regardless of shark shields or anything else you might do to save yourself.
The research done on them shows they are effective to a reasonable level.
I'd say it is better than nothing.
And shark shields work an any sharks that have Ampullae of Lorenzini. Which includes Great Whites, Tigers and Bulls.
I would probably agree that if a big one wants you, it's gonna have you regardless.
And a 1.2 m blacktip...I've had bigger chunks of corn in my crap
Edit: By Tigers and Bulls, I obviously mean Tiger Sharks and Bull Sharks 
Select to expand quotejbshack said..
A cull is just a fluffy blanket, or a pacifier like a 2 year child old sleeps with
I think you underestimate the power of a fluffy balnket.
My bunny blanket always saved me from everything. 
Select to expand quoteMilsy said..pweedas said..southace said..
Yes most of us follow the news I'm sure? And if you went to the trouble to remind us by typing and researching the history well done. But the only problem is that your not really coming up with a awnser apart from a cull which we all know will not go ahead but thanks for your opinion and the stats , cheers king!
I've already stated the answer a number of times, and it's dirt cheap.
The only problem is, it gets drowned out by a barrage of fog about apex predators and destroying the oceans and so much more highly improbable rubbish.
THE SOLUTION IS ;-
At regularly spaced intervals around the coast,
license a number of commercial fishermen
and issue a standing order
so that when there is an attack on someone
who is in an area which is a long established swimming, surfing or diving area,
they have immediate permission and authority
to get out there and bait the shark
catch it
and kill it.
There,.. I've set it out in simple logical steps.
Not very complex really, and yet it seems to be beyond the capacity of anyone to implement it.
If in 5 years time we have killed 20 sharks and the attacks have not diminsihed, then we can call in all the degreed and doctorated experts to tell us what they found by reading up stuff on the internet, and look at trying some of the difficult and expensive ideas that are now being suggested.
the problem with your idea here is that its S-T-U-P-I-D, your suggesting to stop shark attacks we must first wait for ( get ready for it) a shark attack!!,
Obviously it wont stop the NEXT one, but I can promise you it will stop every other attack which I believe that same shark would have done.
If we had started this 10 years ago we would not be having this discussion now.
And,.. if we do as much now as we have done over the last 10 years, we will be having the same discussion in ten years time.
Anyway, Col has finally woken up and smelled the roses.
He now says (or is that again say because I think he has said it a few times and done nothing) that commercial fishermen will be given the job of clearing popular swimming spots.
Onya Col! Better late than never.
Select to expand quoteWA71 said..
^ Imo its not the same shark..
What are you basing your opinion on?
Select to expand quotekiterboy said..WA71 said..What are you basing your opinion on?
^ Imo its not the same shark..
Dogs have a nose for that sort of thing.
(In this case though I think he is wrong. )
There was a doco on tele (which means it must be right ) not long ago talking about 'Rogue Sharks', whatever a rough shark may be. It pretty much concluded that there is no such thing.
I dont think there is any evidence that it is the same shark, i dont think large GW counts. The attacks have been fairly spread out (aside from Gracetown) over the entire WA coast from Esperance up to Abrohlos Islands.
What evidence is there that it is the same shark?
I'm not saying it isn't (Idon't think it is), I'm just saying there is no evidence. There will also be no way to ever prove it.
But we're in this instance talking about another shark of the same/similar size in the same area in the space of a couple of days.
If there's bugger all GWs left in the world as the beeding hearts will have us believe, then surely the odds are that it IS the same shark.
If it's not the same shark, then there must be more in the ocean than the bleeding hearts would have us believe.
Can't have it both ways people.
Which way is it?
If you google "maneaters" you find no sharks have made the list on Wikipeadia. ie. As far as we know they stop at one.
Death tolls[edit]
Individual notable man-eating animal's death toll
436 ??? Champawat Tiger (Nepal/Northern India)
400 ??? Leopard of Panar (Northern India)
200+ ??? Gustave (crocodile) (Burundi)- Rumored
150 ??? Leopard of the Central Provinces (Central Provinces of India)
135 ??? Tsavo Man-Eaters (lions) (Kenya)
125+ ??? Leopard of Rudraprayag (India)
113 ??? Beast of G??vaudan (France)
50+ ??? Tigers of Chowgarh (India)
42 ??? Leopard of Gummalapur (India)
40 ??? Wolves of Paris (France)
22 ??? Kirov wolf attacks (Russia)
22 ??? Wolves of Turku (Finland)
18 ??? Wolves of P??rigord (France)
17 ??? Wolves of Ashta (India)
15 ??? Tigress of Jowlagiri (Jowlagiri)
13 ??? Wolves of Hazaribagh (India)
12 ??? Wolf of Gysinge (Sweden) / Sloth bear of Mysore (India)
7 ??? Tiger of Mundachipallam (South India) / Sankebetsu brown bear incident (Japan)
4 ??? Wolf of Soissons (France) / Jersey Shore shark attacks of 1916 (North New Jersey)
3 ??? Leopard of the Yellagiri Hills (Southern Railway)
1 ??? Burmese Saltwater Crocodiles (Ramree, Burma, February 19, 1945) / Wolf of Ansbach (Holy Roman Empire)/ USS Indianapolis Shark Attacks (Philippines Sea)
Select to expand quotepweedas said..kiterboy said..WA71 said..What are you basing your opinion on?
^ Imo its not the same shark..
Dogs have a nose for that sort of thing.
(In this case though I think he is wrong. )
That its a big fricken ocean with lots of GWS between Wedge and Gracetown, and I bet there its lots between 3m - 5.5m
Select to expand quoteIan K said..
If you google "maneaters" you find no sharks have made the list on Wikipeadia. ie. As far as we know they stop at one.
Death tolls[edit]
Individual notable man-eating animal's death toll
436 ??? Champawat Tiger (Nepal/Northern India)
400 ??? Leopard of Panar (Northern India)
200+ ??? Gustave (crocodile) (Burundi)- Rumored
150 ??? Leopard of the Central Provinces (Central Provinces of India)
135 ??? Tsavo Man-Eaters (lions) (Kenya)
125+ ??? Leopard of Rudraprayag (India)
113 ??? Beast of G??vaudan (France)
50+ ??? Tigers of Chowgarh (India)
42 ??? Leopard of Gummalapur (India)
40 ??? Wolves of Paris (France)
22 ??? Kirov wolf attacks (Russia)
22 ??? Wolves of Turku (Finland)
18 ??? Wolves of P??rigord (France)
17 ??? Wolves of Ashta (India)
15 ??? Tigress of Jowlagiri (Jowlagiri)
13 ??? Wolves of Hazaribagh (India)
12 ??? Wolf of Gysinge (Sweden) / Sloth bear of Mysore (India)
7 ??? Tiger of Mundachipallam (South India) / Sankebetsu brown bear incident (Japan)
4 ??? Wolf of Soissons (France) / Jersey Shore shark attacks of 1916 (North New Jersey)
3 ??? Leopard of the Yellagiri Hills (Southern Railway)
1 ??? Burmese Saltwater Crocodiles (Ramree, Burma, February 19, 1945) / Wolf of Ansbach (Holy Roman Empire)/ USS Indianapolis Shark Attacks (Philippines Sea)
Don't worry, there's no danger from sharks everyone, they don't eat us.
Select to expand quoteWA71 said..pweedas said..kiterboy said..WA71 said..What are you basing your opinion on?
^ Imo its not the same shark..
Dogs have a nose for that sort of thing.
(In this case though I think he is wrong. )
That its a big fricken ocean with lots of GWS between Wedge and Gracetown, and I bet there its lots between 3m - 5.5m
So you're going against the established wisdom here that there are bugger all of them left?
Select to expand quotekiterboy said..WA71 said..pweedas said..kiterboy said..WA71 said..What are you basing your opinion on?
^ Imo its not the same shark..
Dogs have a nose for that sort of thing.
(In this case though I think he is wrong. )
That its a big fricken ocean with lots of GWS between Wedge and Gracetown, and I bet there its lots between 3m - 5.5m
So you're going against the established wisdom here that there are bugger all of them left?
Yep, I think that there is more than we think. Did you see that ABC doco that they did on Bremmer Bay? If you havnt seen it look it up. It might just show that there isnt one or two floating around there is heaps, well a few
Also once they get to human eating size they would be from 3m+ their diet when they are small is usually fish then they go onto seals (humans) as they get bigger and more powerfull.
Im no expert 
Select to expand quoteWA71 said..kiterboy said..WA71 said..pweedas said..kiterboy said..WA71 said..What are you basing your opinion on?
^ Imo its not the same shark..
Dogs have a nose for that sort of thing.
(In this case though I think he is wrong. )
That its a big fricken ocean with lots of GWS between Wedge and Gracetown, and I bet there its lots between 3m - 5.5m
So you're going against the established wisdom here that there are bugger all of them left?
Yep, I think that there is more than we think. Did you see that ABC doco that they did on Bremmer Bay? If you havnt seen it look it up. It might just show that there isnt one or two floating around there is heaps, well a few
Also once they get to human eating size they would be from 3m+ their diet when they are small is usually fish then they go onto seals (humans) as they get bigger and more powerfull.
Im no expert
I'm with you, I reckon there's more than we know.
^ Ive got some pics of two GWS of Rotto, both about the same size eating a dead whale. How could anyone recognise one from another for a start unless you have studied them in great depth.
I will dig them up and post
Dorsal fin markings.
Case example in this link someone posted n one of these threads.
www.whitesharktrust.org/migration.html
Look a third of the way down.
Select to expand quotekiterboy said..
Dorsal fin markings.
Case example in this link someone posted n one of these threads.
www.whitesharktrust.org/migration.html
Look a third of the way down.
I do know about the dorsal markings as a friend of mine is trying to ID a GWS at the moment by the dorsal markings.
Great site tho thanks havnt seen that one before.
Select to expand quotekiterboy said..
But we're in this instance talking about another shark of the same/similar size in the same area in the space of a couple of days.
If there's bugger all GWs left in the world as the beeding hearts will have us believe, then surely the odds are that it IS the same shark.
If it's not the same shark, then there must be more in the ocean than the bleeding hearts would have us believe.
Can't have it both ways people.
Which way is it?
Yeah and the other shark you are referring to (if you mean the 5mtr today) well there is no proof of it, no photos and even Fisheries say its un proven..But it does help sell the cull argument doesn't it
Oh the news just said that 21 people drown yearly in WA..Should we make it compulsory to wear a life jacket in the ocean If safety is what we are all about...
Did anyone care about the two spinal injures in the surf this week just gone. Perth Metro area that is Really are sharks the only issue.
We will get what we ask for. The way Surfers are bagging out sharks and saying its so dangerous (when really the risk is stupid low) next we will have Life Insurance companies voiding claims from the water
Select to expand quotepweedas said..jbshack said..
A cull is just a fluffy blanket, or a pacifier like a 2 year child old sleeps with
I think you underestimate the power of a fluffy balnket.
My bunny blanket always saved me from everything.
pweedas said..jbshack said..
A cull is just a fluffy blanket, or a pacifier like a 2 year child old sleeps with
I think you underestimate the power of a fluffy balnket.
My bunny blanket always saved me from everything.
I have over just over 1000 images of whites in and out of the water but I dare post them here.
I really think this is all getting out of control.... Going round in circles.
Over on the east coast we have a different kind of shark and again this is the goverments fault. It's called unemployment and what's the solution ? = Close the gate !
Select to expand quotesouthace said..
I have over just over 1000 images of whites in and out of the water but I dare post them here.
I really think this is all getting out of control.... Going round in circles.
Over on the east coast we have a different kind of shark and again this is the goverments fault. It's called unemployment and what's the solution ? = Close the gate !
you use the word 'over' to much, over use over,,,,what are you even saying man, unemployed people in QLD are akin to a great white in WA???
I'm trying to say there are sharks on shore and they are doing more damage than the ones in the sea trust me they will be arriving at your work place soon. Ok I just might start a new thread on the unemployment crisis in Australia!
