I agree jb but I didn't realise they had only tagged 14 thats pathetic and for the money spent is a rort. It's amazing they can have tourists cage dive with hundreds of whites a year but they can only tag 14. They should have someone on the cage diving boats tagging them rather than collecting money from each customer and spending it on cars.
Struggle to comprehend the point here...a person chooses to enter the ocean, the environment sharks inhabit and is killed....it's akin to entering a lions den, if you choose to participate in water sports in the ocean you take your chances, just like when you drive your car or cross the road, be it a shark, a croc, drowning caught in a rip or an irukanji. That same person could have been killed in a car accident driving home, it wouldn't have warranted a five page newspaper spread and social and political debate, barely a paragraph in the local rag. We should then ban licences and destroy all cars. Far more are killed in car accidents each year with alcohol a vastly contributing factor so we should probably get rid of that also. A person could die tripping and falling down a flight of stairs, so we'll have to replace all the stairs with ramps, hopefully noone will slip on those? Boats sink, people are lost at sea, so best do without them. Wild animals capable of causing fatalities roam freely in many parts of the world, we should kill them all or perhaps prevent mankind from entering the countries they roam; all of Africa, Australia, Canada, Russia....A person is mauled to death by a dog, we'll have to free the world of them so mankind can be safe. Millions of children die of hunger and preventable disease (ironically, in large, caused by man) in third world countries while the world stands by making less fuss then over one man taken by one shark.
Where is the perspective in all or any of this?
All I can say is that whilst I do feel sympathy to the family of the man for their loss.....I can't help but think Que Sera Sera.
Select to expand quotejbshack said..southace said..
Yes wipe out every living creature that harms us including ourselves! We are immortal.
The problem with culling the sharks is that the population of this species is unknown so it's unsure on what bag limit should be taken.and as you may know it's a big ocean and this species keeps on the move.
If it is one rouge shark it would be hard to pin point find and catch unless it was done on the day while it was in the area using oil and chum methods.
So catching and killing is not a real easy answer to the problem that's why I stated education and research would be a better option first.
Southace you will be pushing it up hill on this site? No one cares that the Ocean is our primary source of Oxygen, our primary source of food on this planet and no one cares that we could push it over the edge if we kill of the controlling factor of that very source, we all depend on
If you ever would care to talk a little, id love to pick your brains a little if you know anything regarding tagging?
Hell i even asked Suba if he could answer my question regarding tagging Great Whites and he has yet to answer me
It seems WA fisheries, researches won't us kept in the dark. Im not a huge fan of Ocsearch but at least if they were let to tag we could then have info direct via Smart phones
But our government said no. I have even talked directly with them and they are at a loss as to why as well. SO WHAT ARE THEY HIDING
Ok I'm not going up hill anymore.
Did you not see the doco on 60 minutes a month or so ago?
It was about the yanks that want to come to WA to install sat devices to the sharks. They have got it down pat just 20 minutes out of the water before release.
I watched a few docs about the same guys of Mexico. They can do approx 22 sharks a week and track them real time. It's on
iTunes.
Apparently the current government rejected them entering our waters on such a project.
When we tried to catch a White with the government department and a doco crew, we spent 7 days and caught one small selected White to attach the similar sat device, but the shark straitened the hook and to my knowledge they have not tried again.
I would volunteer to join these yanks!
We should find these yanks and rally to get them here to ensure our seas stay safe!
R.I.P dude.
f-yeah southace that sounds good. what the yanks have would cut attacks down by a lot. u could just jump on ur ifone check the shark tags in real time to see where they are or the authorities can see sharks coming to close to swimers n close the beach until it goes. but that's too much of a good idea for our mullet brain gov
Select to expand quotemyusernam said..southace said..surferstu said..
^^
dont the use baited drum lines or something to catch sharks in qld?
Yes and they catch small reef sharks,lemons and the odd hammer and tiger it's more of a piece of mind for swimmers as non of the sharks are actually man eaters. I have watched these bait lines for 5 days with out any one attending them it would be interesting to talk to the semi retired fisho that maintains them occasionally!
bullshxt again. the baited drum lines do catch large bull, tiger and bronze whalers where I am from (we dont get whites up here)
they probably catch whites in SE wld because they get them down there.
they catch 4m+ tigers every year.
Baited drum lines off swimming beaches only catches sharks that are at the beaches, so it's pretty selective..
How far up are you in Queensland I am on the Capricorn Coast and we get the odd Great white cruising through here, I wonder how far North they go,
I personally watched one feeding on a whale carcass off Great Keppel island
NoSelect to expand quotepueter66 said..myusernam said..southace said..surferstu said..
^^
dont the use baited drum lines or something to catch sharks in qld?
Yes and they catch small reef sharks,lemons and the odd hammer and tiger it's more of a piece of mind for swimmers as non of the sharks are actually man eaters. I have watched these bait lines for 5 days with out any one attending them it would be interesting to talk to the semi retired fisho that maintains them occasionally!
bullshxt again. the baited drum lines do catch large bull, tiger and bronze whalers where I am from (we dont get whites up here)
they probably catch whites in SE wld because they get them down there.
they catch 4m+ tigers every year.
Baited drum lines off swimming beaches only catches sharks that are at the beaches, so it's pretty selective..
How far up are you in Queensland I am on the Capricorn Coast and we get the odd Great white cruising through here, I wonder how far North they go,
I personally watched one feeding on a whale carcass off Great Keppel island
no expert but yes they have been tracked to above the Qld border on the outer reefs in cooler water of the shelf....500 to 3000 depth range.
Select to expand quotesouthace said..
Nopueter66 said..myusernam said..southace said..surferstu said..
^^
dont the use baited drum lines or something to catch sharks in qld?
Yes and they catch small reef sharks,lemons and the odd hammer and tiger it's more of a piece of mind for swimmers as non of the sharks are actually man eaters. I have watched these bait lines for 5 days with out any one attending them it would be interesting to talk to the semi retired fisho that maintains them occasionally!
bullshxt again. the baited drum lines do catch large bull, tiger and bronze whalers where I am from (we dont get whites up here)
they probably catch whites in SE wld because they get them down there.
they catch 4m+ tigers every year.
Baited drum lines off swimming beaches only catches sharks that are at the beaches, so it's pretty selective..
How far up are you in Queensland I am on the Capricorn Coast and we get the odd Great white cruising through here, I wonder how far North they go,
I personally watched one feeding on a whale carcass off Great Keppel island
no expert but yes they have been tracked to above the Qld border on the outer reefs in cooler water of the shelf....500 to 3000 depth range.
This shark was about 20kms off the coast in about 40 foot of water, spoke to the old man about it and his dad was a pro fisherman and apparently great whites have been coming through since he was a boy, there is a lot we are uncertain of with their migration, it would certainly be interesting to see some tracking data on them
Tracking so far has proved they are a cold water species. inside the reef it's like 22.5 degrees approx and to hot for there liking. Surf is created from swell,wind and weather.....we just get the old ht stom and cyclone here. Not to much surf and cold.
Select to expand quotesouthace said..jbshack said..southace said..
Yes wipe out every living creature that harms us including ourselves! We are immortal.
The problem with culling the sharks is that the population of this species is unknown so it's unsure on what bag limit should be taken.and as you may know it's a big ocean and this species keeps on the move.
If it is one rouge shark it would be hard to pin point find and catch unless it was done on the day while it was in the area using oil and chum methods.
So catching and killing is not a real easy answer to the problem that's why I stated education and research would be a better option first.
Southace you will be pushing it up hill on this site? No one cares that the Ocean is our primary source of Oxygen, our primary source of food on this planet and no one cares that we could push it over the edge if we kill of the controlling factor of that very source, we all depend on
If you ever would care to talk a little, id love to pick your brains a little if you know anything regarding tagging?
Hell i even asked Suba if he could answer my question regarding tagging Great Whites and he has yet to answer me It seems WA fisheries, researches won't us kept in the dark. Im not a huge fan of Ocsearch but at least if they were let to tag we could then have info direct via Smart phonesBut our government said no. I have even talked directly with them and they are at a loss as to why as well. SO WHAT ARE THEY HIDING
Ok I'm not going up hill anymore.
Did you not see the doco on 60 minutes a month or so ago?
It was about the yanks that want to come to WA to install sat devices to the sharks. They have got it down pat just 20 minutes out of the water before release.
I watched a few docs about the same guys of Mexico. They can do approx 22 sharks a week and track them real time. It's on
iTunes.
Apparently the current government rejected them entering our waters on such a project.
When we tried to catch a White with the government department and a doco crew, we spent 7 days and caught one small selected White to attach the similar sat device, but the shark straitened the hook and to my knowledge they have not tried again.
I would volunteer to join these yanks!
We should find these yanks and rally to get them here to ensure our seas stay safe!
R.I.P dude.
The guy Chris, who runs Ocsearch messaged me and we have chatted a little on FB. They do have issues, they have sadly had a few fatalities and they have a problem with seriously maiming fins over time. BUT i think anything is better than nothing. They even have a live App that will report to your phone if a tagged shark is in your area. Chris agree's with me that the local government is unto something, What we can't understand
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I agree jb but I didn't realise they had only tagged 14 thats pathetic and for the money spent is a rort. It's amazing they can have tourists cage dive with hundreds of whites a year but they can only tag 14. They should have someone on the cage diving boats tagging them rather than collecting money from each customer and spending it on cars.
I should say that the cage diving takes part in South Australian Waters. The SA fisheries have been fantastic, They gave me all the info i wanted and actually gave me phone numbers and contacts to the private contractors they use to Tag. SA fisheries, through CSIRO use the Rodney Fox organisation and one other cage operator to tag as they said they are the best, and better money spent. They have tagged around 138 from memory. Their tags will also show up in the WA system so that could be why we are still getting a few recovers showing up
To be honest the exact numbers i have forgotten but will have at work. Im just so gutted that we have lost another surfer and we have moved no further, than maybe Cottesloe is getting a new expensive pool.
The next sad part is we have the news stations saying/asking what can we do to help? I've sent them my questions agin and reminded them i sent the same to them last year, lets see if i get a response this year? Ill bet you all my surf boards, no one even replies
Lets remember to play nice
We all just want the same thing, to be as safe as possible when we enter the water. We will never be 100% safe, even if we kill a few sharks. We will be absolutely no safer at all in fact if we cull sharks. But if we can get some serous real time support than maybe things might change.
A question to all the Cullers…Have you bought a shark repellant devise Wouldn't that be a good place to start.
R.I.P.
Nice I will check the app..the obvious question to the answer is no one has the answer! At least these guys have the guts to try work it out! Not like governments couldn't give a flying and just go by dudes with glasses that try to count numbers..what's the bet they would get sea sick..!
These dudes are not in it for money other than the doco crap. Most I'm sure are surfers and want to make **** safe.
Select to expand quotesouthace said..
It might be worth reducing the human population that would solve many problems.
Fine!! You go first then some others might consider it.
Select to expand quotejbshack said..TurtleHunter said..
I agree jb but I didn't realise they had only tagged 14 thats pathetic and for the money spent is a rort. It's amazing they can have tourists cage dive with hundreds of whites a year but they can only tag 14. They should have someone on the cage diving boats tagging them rather than collecting money from each customer and spending it on cars.
I should say that the cage diving takes part in South Australian Waters. The SA fisheries have been fantastic, They gave me all the info i wanted and actually gave me phone numbers and contacts to the private contractors they use to Tag. SA fisheries, through CSIRO use the Rodney Fox organisation and one other cage operator to tag as they said they are the best, and better money spent. They have tagged around 138 from memory. Their tags will also show up in the WA system so that could be why we are still getting a few recovers showing up
To be honest the exact numbers i have forgotten but will have at work. Im just so gutted that we have lost another surfer and we have moved no further, than maybe Cottesloe is getting a new expensive pool.
The next sad part is we have the news stations saying/asking what can we do to help? I've sent them my questions agin and reminded them i sent the same to them last year, lets see if i get a response this year? Ill bet you all my surf boards, no one even replies
Lets remember to play niceWe all just want the same thing, to be as safe as possible when we enter the water. We will never be 100% safe, even if we kill a few sharks. We will be absolutely no safer at all in fact if we cull sharks. But if we can get some serous real time support than maybe things might change.
A question to all the Cullers???Have you bought a shark repellant devise Wouldn't that be a good place to start.
R.I.P.
Sorry mate but the tags that the fox fix are kinda of basic. The only real tag has to be bolted on to give full lat and longs. The other tags pop off after time and then give info or they have to swim within a certain ratio of a receiver. Old school tec.
Select to expand quotesouthace said..
Nice I will check the app..the obvious question to the answer is no one has the answer! At least these guys have the guts to try work it out! Not like governments couldn't give a flying and just go by dudes with glasses that try to count numbers..what's the bet they would get sea sick..!
These dudes are not in it for money other than the doco crap. Most I'm sure are surfers and want to make **** safe.
Another argument i have is the money/grants they gave out. One to play music under water and another to blow bubbles underwater..Neither of these options would have helped in this case.
However a system like Katana has just released (he got knocked back on a grant) (sorry Dave i don't want to drag your product in but its relevant) Gets no support. His system if in use would have stopped the attack. Blind freddie can see were the research money should have gone IMHO
Select to expand quoteWoodo said..southace said...
The only answer to this problem is education and research.
And how's this going to solve anything?? What a load of sh!t. Educate and research til the cows come home. Not going to save f##k all.
On a positive note the big white Brutus from wedge got knocked on the head by some fishos from up that way a few weeks after it killed that poor dude last year. Fisheries are still trying to find who did it but they won't. Fisheries are f##king useless just like the muppett buswell who's in charge of them.
The down south crew will sort out the problem themselves...
Rip and condolences to all family and friends.
This post has bothered me all day. I was going to let it go but i can't. To the so called heroes who took the matter into their own hands (and to who ever green thumbed your post Woodo) they IMHO have disrespected the victims and victims families beyond comprehension. 
How do they know the shark was the one? Did they find any human remains inside the shark and if they did, what then? For those REDNECK fools to claim to have done such a thing, should come forward, own up to the personal cull and wear the consequences on their sleeve..Don't hide behind keyboards or a jug of beer at the pub What a disgrace and i hope they can live with DISRESPECTING the dead like that…
Wether you agree with it or not Woodo this is to me one of the worst, most disgusting things i could have ever read on these forums
Perhaps if they dSelect to expand quotejbshack said..southace said..
Nice I will check the app..the obvious question to the answer is no one has the answer! At least these guys have the guts to try work it out! Not like governments couldn't give a flying and just go by dudes with glasses that try to count numbers..what's the bet they would get sea sick..!
These dudes are not in it for money other than the doco crap. Most I'm sure are surfers and want to make **** safe.
Another argument i have is the money/grants they gave out. One to play music under water and another to blow bubbles underwater..Neither of these options would have helped in this case.
However a system like Katana has just released (he got knocked back on a grant) (sorry Dave i don't want to drag your product in but its relevant) Gets no support. His system if in use would have stopped the attack. Blind freddie can see were the research money should have gone IMHO
Perhaps if they did the same out from WA they would do the same keep the sharks away from the shore feeding at remote islands. But there's no proof on that one, other than there has not been a attack for a bit after a bumper season.nothing in cactus and surrounding areas. And the dude playing music only provides a natural look at the beasts and does not promote to attract them...he got no grants or payments.
Select to expand quotesouthace said..myusernam said..southace said..surferstu said..
^^
dont the use baited drum lines or something to catch sharks in qld?
Yes and they catch small reef sharks,lemons and the odd hammer and tiger it's more of a piece of mind for swimmers as non of the sharks are actually man eaters. I have watched these bait lines for 5 days with out any one attending them it would be interesting to talk to the semi retired fisho that maintains them occasionally!
bullshxt again. the baited drum lines do catch large bull, tiger and bronze whalers where I am from (we dont get whites up here)
they probably catch whites in SE wld because they get them down there.
they catch 4m+ tigers every year.
Baited drum lines off swimming beaches only catches sharks that are at the beaches, so it's pretty selective..
Google how many tigers have caused grief on beaches!
Just recently watched divers with tigers with no aggression, obvously if they brought some fish to the party things would have been different ! Would you not think bait lines would attract sharks to the beaches?
If a white took the bait you would need a good chain and mooring!
some facts from our local beaches
our local beach in central QLD has been shark drummed since the 60s after a death. they do catch whites tigers and bulls, we had a big white captured here two years ago 18' it was in the paper with the shark tally for the year.
we also haven't had an attack since the 60s, i also remember a young lad being killed by a huge tiger up a blacks beach about 1984,
and they haven't had an attack since it was drummed.
drums do work on our beaches and you dont have to go very fare to find sharks and i am talking big and small sharks .... FACT
look if southern australians don't wan't drums at there beaches saving lives thats there business and i really dont care...but we love them here and never want them to go.
why... our beaches haven't had a death or an attack in 50 years with whales, dolphins and nesting turtles visiting our beaches.
Select to expand quotesouthace said..
Perhaps if they djbshack said..southace said..
Nice I will check the app..the obvious question to the answer is no one has the answer! At least these guys have the guts to try work it out! Not like governments couldn't give a flying and just go by dudes with glasses that try to count numbers..what's the bet they would get sea sick..!
These dudes are not in it for money other than the doco crap. Most I'm sure are surfers and want to make **** safe.
Another argument i have is the money/grants they gave out. One to play music under water and another to blow bubbles underwater..Neither of these options would have helped in this case.
However a system like Katana has just released (he got knocked back on a grant) (sorry Dave i don't want to drag your product in but its relevant) Gets no support. His system if in use would have stopped the attack. Blind freddie can see were the research money should have gone IMHO
Perhaps if they did the same out from WA they would do the same keep the sharks away from the shore feeding at remote islands. But there's no proof on that one, other than there has not been a attack for a bit after a bumper season.nothing in cactus and surrounding areas. And the dude playing music only provides a natural look at the beasts and does not promote to attract them...he got no grants or payments.
Actually two of the three grants. Approx $300000 each went to a scientist at UWA. His two proposals were the music and bubbles. The third grant went to another local who i have chatted with a bit. His was in regards to Underwater sonar device that will detect the sharks shape and therefor no need to tag. He had it accepted through Curtin Uni i think it was. He could see that the money was only ever going to be spent through a Uni. That way the government can claim to be both supporting local Eduction, as well as spending money on the shark issue. They then release different news reports claiming the glory twice
Put jbshack n charge! We can do it get the yanks here tag them and then we can track them. But this needs to be agreed by all rally to get them here join there facebook talk to fisheries departments. If not well we can try the bait drum system just hoping that doesn't attract more into beaches with the baits that lay a slick.
Sorry guys no one is attracting them with bubbles . The only reason the music gig got passed was there was only 2 licensed chum tourist licences and no more where to be issued as it was already under review.
These are the guys that want to come to WA a yankie actors funds some of the project.http://news.nationalgeographic.com.au/news/2011/05/110506-biggest-great-white-sharks-apache-caught-animals-science/
Select to expand quotejbshack said...Woodo said..southace said...
The only answer to this problem is education and research.
And how's this going to solve anything?? What a load of sh!t. Educate and research til the cows come home. Not going to save f##k all.
On a positive note the big white Brutus from wedge got knocked on the head by some fishos from up that way a few weeks after it killed that poor dude last year. Fisheries are still trying to find who did it but they won't. Fisheries are f##king useless just like the muppett buswell who's in charge of them.
The down south crew will sort out the problem themselves...
Rip and condolences to all family and friends.
This post has bothered me all day. I was going to let it go but i can't. To the so called heroes who took the matter into their own hands (and to who ever green thumbed your post Woodo) they IMHO have disrespected the victims and victims families beyond comprehension. How do they know the shark was the one? Did they find any human remains inside the shark and if they did, what then? For those REDNECK fools to claim to have done such a thing, should come forward, own up to the personal cull and wear the consequences on their sleeve..Don't hide behind keyboards or a jug of beer at the pub What a disgrace and i hope they can live with DISRESPECTING the dead like that???
Wether you agree with it or not Woodo this is to me one of the worst, most disgusting things i could have ever read on these forums
Wtf?? How do you figure they have disrespected the victims and victims family?
Sorry to inform you mate but it's not the only case I've heard of either.
What did you think was going to happen? Some people are p!ssed off about the whole situation and fed up with the government's lack of action and them being so secretive about everything.
You have your opinions on the matter, I have mine which is fine.
Firstly RIP to Chris Boyd and condolences to his family,
I was under the impression that Brutus at wedge was not a great white but a big bronze whaler named by local surfers who saw him often.
Then from memory the media named Brutus as a great white, my memory is pretty poor though and I may be wrong..
Life is bigger and greater than all of us and I'm not convinced that anyone on here or fisheries or scientists really understand Great whites that well.
We are all fascinated and opinionated by great whites And that's because they scare the **** out of us.
I'm not pro or against culling I'm on the fence right now, but I believe that us humans continually **** this planet up and we are in a way responsible for this problem we have. One thing is for sure if you don't want to get eaten don't go in the water , no one has a right to exterminate everything for his own pleasure. I guess I'm pro education meaning really learning and understanding what is going on. One thing is for sure sharks live in the water, we are many more in the water and there will always be shark attacks
You just have to make a choice, do u want to live in fear? And miss out on all the wonders of life? Do u want to accept that there is a likely hood you may get eaten by a shark? And fully enjoy life, or do you want to be a **** head human? And control everything.
I'll stick to surfing and kiting and enjoying my friends and family, and will always be fascinated by the unknown of sharks.
Is there a site somewhere with the number of attacks in Oz versus time (years?).
I'd swear when we was kids and surfing all day, you'd hear 1-2 a year max, now is, what, 5/year ?
Select to expand quotejbshack said...
A question to all the Cullers???Have you bought a shark repellant devise Wouldn't that be a good place to start.
Would these actually stop 5m of GW though? Until i see it first hand against several 4m+ test subjects its hard to believe.
I spoke to a diver who was in a dive group off rotto recently and one bloke was continually singled out and harrassed by a 3m mako. Kept on charging in but turning at the last second. He was the only one wearing a shark shield.
Do you know anything more about the orca speakers? People laugh and take the piss but we just dont know. Imagine if it started to attract them and they could start hunting us on the beach. Lol .
Tagging as many as possible and monitoring them closely is probably the safest way for both parties. Cost too much though.
The SLSWA twitter feed is great but they dont give out enough detail... Surely they could tell us if its a the same shark setting off receivers up the coast or if its another one.
Select to expand quoteMDSXR6T said..jbshack said...
A question to all the Cullers???Have you bought a shark repellant devise Wouldn't that be a good place to start.
Would these actually stop 5m of GW though? Until i see it first hand against several 4m+ test subjects its hard to believe.
I spoke to a diver who was in a dive group off rotto recently and one bloke was continually singled out and harrassed by a 3m mako. Kept on charging in but turning at the last second. He was the only one wearing a shark shield.
Do you know anything more about the orca speakers? People laugh and take the piss but we just dont know. Imagine if it started to attract them and they could start hunting us on the beach. Lol .
Tagging as many as possible and monitoring them closely is probably the safest way for both parties. Cost too much though.
The SLSWA twitter feed is great but they dont give out enough detail... Surely they could tell us if its a the same shark setting off receivers up the coast or if its another one.
shark shields dont work IMHO. Peter clarkson was an advocate of the shark shield, and was on the website saying he would never dive without one. He was eaten by two white pointers (RIP). They may affect and deter a casual shark, but if you get one with a boner in attack mode you aren't stopping it imho. (FFS a GW coming up in attack mode would be in range for a microsecond)
RE: GWS in queensland.
I'm not sure how far they come up. I am guessing where the reef ends. Also there crocs start. There's a distinct line. I am in NQ. definatley no GWS here, not even in winter. Glad for it to being a life long spearo
Does anyone know the designers of the shark shield or similar device. I had a brain wave yesterday and I want to talk to someone about my idea.
Select to expand quoteUnderoath said..
Does anyone know the designers of the shark shield or similar device. I had a brain wave yesterday and I want to talk to someone about my idea.
Send Katana a PM - he's testing a prototype design currently.
