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maxm
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25 Oct 2010 1:49pm
maxm said...

Sailhack said...

So...now 3 pages in, has anyone changed their original 'opinions' from what they believed at first to now, after having this informed debate.


Not a jot.


With the benefit of another sleep, I've come to realise I was wrong, sailhack. I have changed my original opinion, just that I didn't know it.

I've realised that avoiding fluoride, abstaining from sex and watching endless yoochoob wanker vids about how THEY ARE GOING TO KILL US ALL TOMORROW (all caps mandatory on these)

rots your brain and

..

makes

...

ya

....

stoopid
doggie
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25 Oct 2010 5:24pm
poor relative said...




PR for PM (.)(.)
ginger pom
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25 Oct 2010 9:33pm
petermac33 said...

Ginger Pom has changed his opinion on the coming[planned] economic collapse

since the price of gold/silver has started to go thru the roof.




I look away for five minutes and you start saying stuff like that

A suggested reply to this would be two links

<My opinion before>

<My opinion after>
ginger pom
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25 Oct 2010 9:36pm
www.google.com/finance?catid=us-57629812

and it hasn't...
poor relative
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25 Oct 2010 8:33pm




yum yum

SandS
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26 Oct 2010 8:08pm
elmo said...









sorry
doggie
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26 Oct 2010 5:10pm
SandS said...

elmo said...









sorry


No you are not
SandS
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26 Oct 2010 8:56pm
doggie said...

SandS said...

elmo said...









sorry


No you are not


well ..ok , no i,m not sorry . just happy that fun bags exist.
petermac33
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27 Oct 2010 4:08am
the firefighters were the one's in the building,seems reasonable to listen to what they have to say.

''ladder 15,we've got two isolated pockets of fire.we should be able to knock it down with two lines. radio that, 78th floor we've got two isolated pockets of fire.''


sausage
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27 Oct 2010 11:07am
petermac33 said...

the firefighters were the one's in the building,seems reasonable to listen to what they have to say.

''ladder 15,we've got two isolated pockets of fire.we should be able to knock it down with two lines. radio that, 78th floor we've got two isolated pockets of fire.''


Nothing unusual here. Interpretation:
"Knock it down" would probably mean "extinguish"
"Two lines" maybe just maybe mean "two hose lines"
Do you actually believe the firies were referring to knocking the building down? Please don't say "yes"!
lightwood
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27 Oct 2010 12:13pm
No what he means is exactily what you said, so how did 2 pockets of fire that needed only 2 hoses to extinguish bring down an entire building.
sausage
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27 Oct 2010 11:33am
lightwood said...

No what he means is exactily what you said, so how did 2 pockets of fire that needed only 2 hoses to extinguish bring down an entire building.


I think you're missing the fact that there were another 6 floors above (floors 79 to 84) on fire as well.
ginger pom
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27 Oct 2010 10:55pm
petermac33 said...

the firefighters were the one's in the building,seems reasonable to listen to what they have to say.

''ladder 15,we've got two isolated pockets of fire.we should be able to knock it down with two lines. radio that, 78th floor we've got two isolated pockets of fire.''



Peter - there are two scenarios. You need to pick one

A - An incredibly well organised global conspiracy run by the illuminati that involves a small number of highly co-ordinated and organised people

B - No conspiracy at all or a **** one that leaks out immediately

You're quite happy to use lack of any evidence to indicate that hypothesis A is the case "There's no evidence because the illuminati are soooo smart and clever"

yet whenever some low status grunt says says "pull", "push", "twist", "let", "up" or "down" publicly, you take it as evidence that hypothesis B is true...

Not to say firies are grunts but if you take their roles in the context of the 500 year zionist conspiracy that justifies hypothesis A, they're hardly the people you give important information or tasks to - especially given their propensity to say things on camera....

Either way, you're covered. If there's no evidence it's A and if there's some tenuous evidence it's B...



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petermac33
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27 Oct 2010 8:44pm
it was reported live on BBC by Jane Standley that building 7 had collapsed prior [20mins] before thebuilding had actually fallen to the ground.

if you doubt that to be true you can see the building still standing in the background as she is reporting 'live' it has already collapsed!

now, if that's not concrete evidence then wtf is concrete evidence.

For me the BBC early reporting is totally damning..




Mark _australia
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27 Oct 2010 8:53pm
petermac33 said...

it was reported live on BBC by Jane Standley that building 7 had collapsed prior [20mins] before thebuilding had actually fallen to the ground.

if you doubt that to be true you can see the building still standing in the background as she is reporting 'live' it has already collapsed!

now, if that's not concrete evidence then wtf is concrete evidence.

For me the BBC early reporting is totally damning..







So the perpetrators of this conspiracy are so so so clever......

so clever that they did a media release 20mins too early when they KNEW the reporters were broadcasting live from the area??!!!

Maybe the more plausible explanation is that some blonde piece of fluff who reports news (who was chosen for her looks instead of her intelligence), made a mistake?
Ever seen a news report that was incorrect Pete?

log man
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28 Oct 2010 12:12am
petermac33 said...

it was reported live on BBC by Jane Standley that building 7 had collapsed prior [20mins] before thebuilding had actually fallen to the ground.

if you doubt that to be true you can see the building still standing in the background as she is reporting 'live' it has already collapsed!

now, if that's not concrete evidence then wtf is concrete evidence.

For me the BBC early reporting is totally damning..
Well for you, anything is evidence. Sorry but have I got this right? Your "damning evidence is a reporter,reporting building 7 has collapsed 20 minutes before it did..........that's it, really...geez






sausage
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27 Oct 2010 11:13pm
petermac33 said...

it was reported live on BBC by Jane Standley that building 7 had collapsed prior [20mins] before thebuilding had actually fallen to the ground.

if you doubt that to be true you can see the building still standing in the background as she is reporting 'live' it has already collapsed!

now, if that's not concrete evidence then wtf is concrete evidence.

For me the BBC early reporting is totally damning..




PM33 - The authorities had some hours earlier decided to abandon any building rescue of WTC 7 due to extensive damagethat occurred to its base when tower one came down and the subsequent fires fuelled by diesel generators located in the lower levels. They pulled everyone out and waited for the laws of physics to take hold. They put out press releases that they were expecting it to fall in the coming hours. The reporter you refer to misquoted the information that was being feed to her by the control room. Not hard to understand in the mayhem of those horrific events that something got incorrectly reported.
petermac33
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27 Oct 2010 9:15pm
CNN's Aaron Brown also reported building 7 had collapsed around one hour prior to building actually collapsing!!!

so if it was just a 'mistake' by the BBC reporting it had collapsed prior,you think it was just a coincidence that it then collapsed 20 mins later?
saltiest1
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28 Oct 2010 12:41am
ever heard of human error?
saltiest1
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28 Oct 2010 12:42am
give us more boobs PR, at least they make sense.
petermac33
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27 Oct 2010 9:46pm
ever heard of a lie?
Bigwavedave
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28 Oct 2010 12:12am
PM33

Judging from the responses to your 9/11 conspiracy tales....

no matter how hard you bang your head on this, no one believes you!

The more you rave on about it the more crazy you appear.

If this conspiracy stuff is true, do something about it! Assemble a decent, non-vague, clear and understandable (with eye-witnesses) case and present it. No innuendo, no youtube links. Calm, non abusive logical arguments with backing UNDISPUTABLE PROOF.

Stop sitting here on seabreeze crying about building 7.

Have you got the idea yet?

Most seabreezers don't care!!

They are here to have fun friendly talk about the wind ( it is seabreeze) the vessels they choose to harness said wind, and the fun they have doing it!!!

I don't deny anyones' right to question mainstream media's stories. What I do find amusing (as you can see by my recent stirring of the pot) is the places you choose to air your views and the audience you choose.

Maybe a different audience is what you seek!
Mark _australia
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27 Oct 2010 10:49pm
petermac33 said...

CNN's Aaron Brown also reported building 7 had collapsed around one hour prior to building actually collapsing!!!

so if it was just a 'mistake' by the BBC reporting it had collapsed prior,you think it was just a coincidence that it then collapsed 20 mins later?


Did you even read my post negating yours?
Or just choose to ignore it as it made sense?

"So the perpetrators of this conspiracy are so so so clever......

so clever that they did a media release 20mins too early when they KNEW the reporters were broadcasting live from the area??!!! "

Now if you were going to deliberately perpetrate this act of terror upon your own people, and so cleverly hide your tracks would you seriously release the info too early to the media? I think not.

Now before you say "mistake" - is it more likely that the unbelievably intelligent and organised conspirators made an error, or that the ill informed and sensationalist media (who you criticise as being sheep etc in other posts) made the mistake???



petermac33
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27 Oct 2010 11:14pm
analogy,

20 mins before first tower collapse it is reported live on BBC by reporter that one of the twin towers has collapsed,the reporter moves to the side and both towers are still standing. 20 mins later one of the towers collapses. and then 9/11 commission fails to look into this.










Bigwavedave
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28 Oct 2010 1:31am
petermac33 said...

analogy,

20 mins before first tower collapse it is reported live on BBC by reporter that one of the twin towers has collapsed,the reporter moves to the side and both towers are still standing. 20 mins later one of the towers collapses. and then 9/11 commission fails to look into this.







prove it



Show the BBC file video (not edited youtube sh1t)

Quote the commission report.... have you actually read it? or are you quoting others? Playing chinese whispers.

its free to download...641mb on audiobooks. Someone reads it to you.

petermac33
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28 Oct 2010 12:34am
the BBC has 'lost' the footage of it reporting wtc7 has collapsed 20mins before it actually did,so no i can't show you the actual BBC tape.

Lee hamilton the vice-chairman for 911 commission, i did hear on c-span say we had so much to cover in 911 commission that wtc7 was not our main focus. wtc7 was not even mentioned in report.

and yes all youtube footage of BBC reporting wtc7 collapse [prior to collapsing] is possibly edited sh1t.

ginger pom
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28 Oct 2010 11:08am
Peter - I'm not sure how old you are but you have conversation like someone who is either under 8 or over 70.
The traditional habit in conversation or debate is to listen to the content that precedes what you say and to respond to it. You were asked if you'd listened to the commission report.

On a separate note, what about events that aren't conspiracies eg the 2004 tsunami. It would be interesting to dissect the errors made in reporting those events with the same passion and to see what level of inconsistencies are there. I'm sure no doubt you would conclude that the tsunami was also caused by the illuminati.
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28 Oct 2010 10:10am
Unfortuneately peter, no matter how concrete and credible the evidence you quote on the 911 conspiracy and NWO matters, there are some who will never be able to open their minds to it and can only respond with ridicule which is the lowest form of wit.

Sadly for them they have used their egos instead of their intellects to define their belief structures. To accept an idea contrary to those belief structures is akin to suicide of the ego.

If you can find a connection between over developed breasts on women and the NWO, you might get their real interest and their undoubted support FOR the NWO.
Mark _australia
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28 Oct 2010 8:19am
No need to be condescending Cisco.

How about you apply Occam's razor to the current debate re: building 7. That is, maybe the most simple explanation is the one to go for.

The most simple is that the media had hundreds of reports coming in rapidly and they made a mistake and reported the wrong building.

The most complex, and certainly harder to believe, is that a group of exceptionally bright conspiracists blew up a few buildings without yet being caught, yet they did their media release 20mins too early.
Seriously would they have had a media release ready to go saying - "building 7 has collapsed" and let it out too early?
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