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Carantoc
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22 Oct 2010 8:36pm
theDoctor said...


No you are the one who's telling us everything is fine and dandy, how our forefathers have delivered us and emancipated our society from the clutches of tyranny

and I'm the one giving you examples to the contrary



Doc, in almost every repect I agree with your opinions.

The only two things I don't agree with, and I don't agree because 2,000 years of history suggest to me they are not true are :

there is a single, united, stable, secret global controlling elite with a single purpose and a perfectly disciplined employee base of enough people to control the whole world, but too few to ever be revealled
the world is getting worst for the average Joe citizen, and today's generation is where the tangent of the spiral into tyranny starts

And to support this I'll offer :
I agree that those in power act in evil, secretive and self serving way. But I say it is because human nature means that to be in power (or to be called 'those in power') results in individuals acting in a similar manner. They don't do this because they are all buddies and members of one organisation and read from the secret manual, they do this because that is what individual people do to get into, and when in, 'power', and people have been doing it at a broadly similar level for all of recorded history.

If you think David Hicks experience in Guantanamo Bay is an example of the way the world is descending in tyranny with the people oppressed by the governers then read the account of say the black hole of calcutta. Aruguably two places with two groups of people imprisoned for similar reasons by similar powers for similar purposes. But, I wouldn't say that the public outcry, the legal avenues open to inmates, the survival rates and the conditions demonstrate that the current authorities are manifestly more evil than those that came before. Or try the sacking of Jeruslem by the first crusaders versus the invasion of Iraq. Two things done for reasons other than those publically stated, but in no way a clear demonstration that yesterday was free and happy, today is all doom and gloom.

So, in the same way that you are giving examples of how our forefathers have not delivered us from tyranny, I am giving examples of how todays elite are not driving us into a previously unknown tyranny.

And I am concluding that the tyranny we are currently in is no different to that of all recorded history, - except that life for the average Joe Citizen has got better with every generation, despite every generation believing that life in their generation is getting worse.

Every generation has said that the world is getting worse. It has not. So why now, when people today say the world is getting worse, should I believe them ?
cisco
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23 Oct 2010 12:18am
If you guys reckon that petermac and theDoctor are so wrong and are just a couple of conspiracy nuts, why do you even respond to their posts?

Are you trying to convince them that they are delusional or do you have doubts about what you have been told to believe and are trying to convince yourselves that you are not delusional?

Oh, hang on. Now I remember. When today's 30 somethings went through school, they were taught to be the "Political Correct Thought Police".

"Mother's Little Helper" of previous generations (Valium) got replaced by the TV and instead of taking Valium herself, mother gave it to the kids.

Then as the kids aged they graduated to the computer screen.

How does it go?? "In the land of the blind, the one eyed monster reigns supreme."

I rate the percentage of meaningful discussion on this section of the Seabreeze forum at 10% or less.

If one dares to go against the populist view, he is more than likely moderated out.

Enjoy your strong-end, or will your's only be a weak-end and back to the wall on Monday?
Bigwavedave
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23 Oct 2010 12:36am
We just like taking the piss out of lunatic hypocrites.

Why waffle on here? It's a windsport forum.

If this **** was really true then you'd be getting off your arse and doing something about it.

You are all noise and no substance.
theDoctor
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23 Oct 2010 1:41am
Carantoc said...

theDoctor said...


No you are the one who's telling us everything is fine and dandy, how our forefathers have delivered us and emancipated our society from the clutches of tyranny

and I'm the one giving you examples to the contrary



Doc, in almost every repect I agree with your opinions.

The only two things I don't agree with, and I don't agree because 2,000 years of history suggest to me they are not true are :

there is a single, united, stable, secret global controlling elite with a single purpose and a perfectly disciplined employee base of enough people to control the whole world, but too few to ever be revealled
the world is getting worst for the average Joe citizen, and today's generation is where the tangent of the spiral into tyranny starts

And to support this I'll offer :
I agree that those in power act in evil, secretive and self serving way. But I say it is because human nature means that to be in power (or to be called 'those in power') results in individuals acting in a similar manner. They don't do this because they are all buddies and members of one organisation and read from the secret manual, they do this because that is what individual people do to get into, and when in, 'power', and people have been doing it at a broadly similar level for all of recorded history.

If you think David Hicks experience in Guantanamo Bay is an example of the way the world is descending in tyranny with the people oppressed by the governers then read the account of say the black hole of calcutta. Aruguably two places with two groups of people imprisoned for similar reasons by similar powers for similar purposes. But, I wouldn't say that the public outcry, the legal avenues open to inmates, the survival rates and the conditions demonstrate that the current authorities are manifestly more evil than those that came before. Or try the sacking of Jeruslem by the first crusaders versus the invasion of Iraq. Two things done for reasons other than those publically stated, but in no way a clear demonstration that yesterday was free and happy, today is all doom and gloom.

So, in the same way that you are giving examples of how our forefathers have not delivered us from tyranny, I am giving examples of how todays elite are not driving us into a previously unknown tyranny.

And I am concluding that the tyranny we are currently in is no different to that of all recorded history, - except that life for the average Joe Citizen has got better with every generation, despite every generation believing that life in their generation is getting worse.

Every generation has said that the world is getting worse. It has not. So why now, when people today say the world is getting worse, should I believe them ?


so now, going by your previous post, you are now telling me what to read....


you sir are an idiot

would you believe that if the internet and the information available within were accessible to those ready to sign themselves to the slaughter that was world wars 1 &2 that they would have gone...? nothing more than certain cannon fodder for king and country...?

they were victims of conspiracy. that is a fact

define this country legally for me now as it stands.... no heresay, not what you believe it should be, but what it is as a legal entity.

care for some more soma...?

poor relative
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23 Oct 2010 12:28am
Your arrogance is out standing good sir.
theDoctor
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23 Oct 2010 3:33am


But not withouit basis
Trant
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23 Oct 2010 11:47am
cisco said...

If you guys reckon that petermac and theDoctor are so wrong and are just a couple of conspiracy nuts, why do you even respond to their posts?



I'm actually genuinely interested in why the Doc and PM33 think it was worth the NWO blowing up the twin towers after two planes smashed into them.
japie
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23 Oct 2010 12:39pm
Trant said...

cisco said...

If you guys reckon that petermac and theDoctor are so wrong and are just a couple of conspiracy nuts, why do you even respond to their posts?



I'm actually genuinely interested in why the Doc and PM33 think it was worth the NWO blowing up the twin towers after two planes smashed into them.



I'll venture an answer there But firstly I don't recall anyone saying it was the NWO whoever they or it may be.

The purpose of the incident was to outrage the American and international public to a degree that they would support the military and legal action (subsequently undertaken) without question.

It is highly unlikely, impossible, that after they were hit by whatever they were hit with, that they were going to collapse. By bringing them down in front of the world, whose attention was now focused on the box, they achieved maximum horror at the same time as conveniently destroying most of the evidence.
deXtrous
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23 Oct 2010 1:31pm
Jesse Ventura Conspiracy Theories Show doing 9/11 conspiracy on TruTV NOW

He interviewed 5 of the ground zero cleanup guys and they said they saw the FBI pick up the blackboxes after other workers found them.

9/11 commission says black boxes were never found from the WTC.....even though tiny bone fragments were recovered to identified victims.....yet almost indestructable black boxes supposedly were never found....jesse was lol'ing at this
maxm
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23 Oct 2010 2:03pm
cisco said...

If you guys reckon that petermac and theDoctor are so wrong and are just a couple of conspiracy nuts, why do you even respond to their posts?


Because I want to know where the NWO live so I can thank them for the great work they are doing.

cisco said...

If one dares to go against the populist view, he is more than likely moderated out


Are you still crying over that? It's not a democracy here, Cisco. Nobody ever promised you a democracy either so you are getting what you paid for.
Trant
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23 Oct 2010 3:23pm
japie said...
By bringing them down in front of the world, whose attention was now focused on the box, they achieved maximum horror at the same time as conveniently destroying most of the evidence.


Fair enough, I guess watching planes smashing into buildings followed by scenes of people jumping to their death rather than be burned alive is rather mundane.
poor relative
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23 Oct 2010 1:16pm
theDoctor
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23 Oct 2010 4:44pm


log man
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23 Oct 2010 7:49pm
Oh!.....that's funny, that's up there with the unexplained "giant skeleton" story or ........no I can't go on. Just a note for you Doc...GIVE US YOUR BEST STUFF, preferably with those crazy slide show paintings, they're ace!!
Sailhack
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24 Oct 2010 11:22am
So...now 3 pages in, has anyone changed their original 'opinions' from what they believed at first to now, after having this informed debate.

Actually, of all the conspiracy & 'informative' threads posted (mostly by same poster), has anyone changed, or formed different opinions from what they started with? If so, then it's a good thing, yes? If not...what a waste of soooo many minutes of my life.

Just curious, that's all. Feel free to share your thoughts...I only charge per minute!
morph89
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24 Oct 2010 1:11pm
petermac33 said...

9-11 conspiracy discussed in parliament,first time ever.


www.truthnews.com.au/radio/wordpress/?p=1877





hahahaha
has anyone else noticed that the pole down the bottom of the article shows that the majority or people agree with Kevin Bracken?
gotta love the sheeple! haha
maxm
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24 Oct 2010 2:42pm
Sailhack said...

So...now 3 pages in, has anyone changed their original 'opinions' from what they believed at first to now, after having this informed debate.


Not a jot.
petermac33
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24 Oct 2010 3:23pm
Ginger Pom has changed his opinion on the coming[planned] economic collapse

since the price of gold/silver has started to go thru the roof.




Maxm has changed his opinion on Big Pharma drugs since becoming fully aware that

AIDS is a hoax,after reading my vaccine information thread.

he is now aware Big Pharma drugs are intented to aggravate the disease for which they are taken for financial/nefarious gain.

Q: Is Thabo Mbeki, the president of South Africa, aware of the situation?

A: I would say he is partially aware. Perhaps he is not utterly convinced, but he is on the way to realizing the whole truth. He already knows that HIV is a hoax. He knows that the AIDS drugs are poisons which destroy the immune system.




Trant, well he has finally realized that you cannot report a building collapse 20

minutes before it collapses unless it was planned to collapse.



so Sailhack we have 3 confirmed cases of change so far.
maxm
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24 Oct 2010 6:46pm
petermac33 said...

Maxm has changed his opinion on Big Pharma drugs since becoming fully aware that

AIDS is a hoax,after reading my vaccine information thread.


Tip for ya Pete - I didn't read it.

The rest of that crap you're spewing about me is a bunch of out and out lies.
SandS
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24 Oct 2010 8:50pm
petermac33 said...

Ginger Pom has changed his opinion on the coming[planned] economic collapse

since the price of gold/silver has started to go thru the roof.




Maxm has changed his opinion on Big Pharma drugs since becoming fully aware that

AIDS is a hoax,after reading my vaccine information thread.

he is now aware Big Pharma drugs are intented to aggravate the disease for which they are taken for financial/nefarious gain.

Q: Is Thabo Mbeki, the president of South Africa, aware of the situation?

A: I would say he is partially aware. Perhaps he is not utterly convinced, but he is on the way to realizing the whole truth. He already knows that HIV is a hoax. He knows that the AIDS drugs are poisons which destroy the immune system.




Trant, well he has finally realized that you cannot report a building collapse 20

minutes before it collapses unless it was planned to collapse.



so Sailhack we have 3 confirmed cases of change so far.


Dont you love the web !!!! ????? it,s like standing in a bar drinking beer , seeing who can tell the bigest load of crap.!!! you gotta larf
evlPanda
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24 Oct 2010 8:50pm
cisco said...

If you guys reckon that petermac and theDoctor are so wrong and are just a couple of conspiracy nuts, why do you even respond to their posts?


For the boobs of course.

Bit off-topic, although this is a conspiracy theory thread so that is perfectly normal, but I may have found the source of your "UFO"s over major cities last week:

Opens November 12


SandS
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24 Oct 2010 9:14pm
wotzy77 said...

waxman said...

elmo said...
















can we organise this as a full size screen saver please?



yep ,vote now . yes from me .
poor relative
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24 Oct 2010 8:24pm
petermac33 said...

AIDS is a hoax
He already knows that HIV is a hoax.
He knows that the AIDS drugs are poisons which destroy the immune system.



You really are ****ing deliriously stupid.
Carantoc
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24 Oct 2010 9:08pm
[b]theDoctor said...

you sir are an idiot

would you believe that if the internet and the information available within were accessible to those ready to sign themselves to the slaughter that was world wars 1 &2 that they would have gone...? nothing more than certain cannon fodder for king and country...?

they were victims of conspiracy. that is a fact



Good to see I am getting somewhere. I have gone from being a moron to an idiot. Is that a step forwards or backwards ?

And, again I agree with you Doc, if the poor bastards who went into WWII to fight for the allies knew before they went what they were going to be in for (whether they learnt that from the internet, the TV, or from a youtube clip on seabreeze), I suspect they would not have gone.

And if they had not have gone, you would now be living under an extreme right wing military dictatorship run by the Nazi party (assuming you are not Jewish, Polish, British, anything but blonde, disabled in any way, a free thinker, unlucky or an artist, in which case you would be dead).

So again, I agree that an evil conspiracy was enacted by the elite, but I also suggest that the outcome today is better than the outcome was during the war, or would have been if the Nazis had won.

And I also suggest that the individuals who had control of the allied war machine are not the same people who put flouride in your drinkling water or the same people who edit FOX news.

Or, being an idiot am I missing your piont - and are you suggesting that like AIDS, the Nazis were a hoax and the swastika emblazened planes dropping bombs on London actually took of from a secret airfield in Essex and the bombs were but painted drain pipes, and legions of loyal illuminati shouted 'bang' each time one landed to fool the public into signing up for the western front, where they were not shot down in a hail of Nazi machine gun fire but died from respiratory dieseases caused by aluminium chemtrails ?

(am I now a nincompoop ?)
poor relative
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24 Oct 2010 10:21pm
Seriously.
Do you make this sh!t up for a laugh - or do you really believe it
WWII was a conspiracy? WTF is that about - on second thoughts i'd rather not know
poor relative
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25 Oct 2010 7:25am
theDoctor said...



But not withouit basis


without any factual basis.
japie
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25 Oct 2010 11:11am
poor relative said...

Seriously.
Do you make this sh!t up for a laugh - or do you really believe it
WWII was a conspiracy? WTF is that about - on second thoughts i'd rather not know


It is a fact that the people who financed the wars, (1,2 & Vietnam for starters), financed both sides.

If it is okay for governments to conscript citizens to fight you would think that it would be okay for them to conscript the cash.

The fact that that does not happen makes the whole thing decidedly dodgy.

Of course those who like a good old ceremony and the pinning on of medals may choose to think otherwise.

Me? I reckon it stinks to high heaven.
japie
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25 Oct 2010 11:12am
poor relative said...

theDoctor said...



But not withouit basis


without any factual basis.


He did not say without basis.

He said withouit basis
cisco
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25 Oct 2010 10:24am
This has got to be the best and filthiest one yet PR

poor relative said...




theDoctor
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25 Oct 2010 12:43pm

^^^ yes, I'm sure her father is so very proud.

poor relative said...

theDoctor said...



But not withouit basis


without any factual basis.



Ummm, quite alot actually why don't you take a rest from poo poing and have a look for yourself....?
the official version as stated within the commission contained no factual basis and ommitted large amounts of factual basis and ignored even more factual basis

compared to the commision report into the events of 911, alice in wonderland is more factual ( but thats another story)
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