Select to expand quotePcdefender said..japie said..
Interesting responses! For me science has always been about curiosity. How does something work? Why does such and such happen?
So during Covid it was reported ad infinitum, (so I was reading, I don't have television) that there were so many cases, so many deaths, we had to do this that and the other thing in order to avoid a disease that was deadly etc..
But no actual manifestation of it in my daily life. Daughter in law nursing in ICU not reporting anything outside of the normal.
Vaccine comes along. Jab jab jab. In my face because medical services set up a jaborium in the car park to my local shopping center. Did observe one lady have a horrific reaction, shaking like she had St Vitus Dance but there you go, they were injecting a ship load of people.
Time advances and I begin reading reports of excess mortality. Quite significant reports of excess mortality. Very significant actually. Like 40% in some areas and we are talking about millennials. To put it in perspective a 10% rise is equivalent to a 200 year flood.
The data came from the insurance business. This data is rock solid. Insurance companies do not get it wrong.
So I am seeing this and it is happening throughout the world. But guess what?
The concern about people carking it that was so, so, so very much in your face about covid is completely non existent barring a bit of noise from some cooker politicians.
Fast forward to today. Many articles coming out about how climate change can cause strokes. Cold weather induces heart attacks. Sniffing tulips results in died suddenly. Blah de blah de blah.
Do you know what? I smell a rat. Not just your ordinary rattus norvegicus. but a mighty great big fibber rat. That's right. A porky pie rat!
And guess what? The only thing that the broader science community can tell us with absolute certainty is that it is one hundred percent not the jibby jab. We know that not because there has been research done but just because.
And they wonder why the average jimmy is becoming reluctant to vaccination!!!!
This should be recited word for word by every schoolkid as part of their de-indoctrination process.
In 2024 we hear of stories like this almost daily - the new normal.
The generation born after 2020 will think heart attacks amongst the young is the norm especially once the old timers fall off the perch.
www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/c5yjg92l45qo
Yup. Countless articles whitewashing incidents which prior to 2022 were as rare as hens teeth.
A rise of 40% excess mortality is statistically a historic incident.
Select to expand quotejapie said..
I was responding, (quite pointedly I thought), to the posts regarding vaccine injuries. Let me attempt to make it clearer.
After the vaccines were deployed excess mortality amongst millennials skyrocketed.
There has been no attempt to ascertain the cause which is very strange because the covid mortality was minuscule in comparison, it occurred in large part in the elderly and the morbidly ill and the powers that be spent hundreds of billions combatting it.
That's it.
I think you were responding, (quite naively) without any robust data to back up your erroneous claims.
Select to expand quotejapie said..
Yup. Countless articles whitewashing incidents which prior to 2022 were as rare as hens teeth.
A rise of 40% excess mortality is statistically a historic incident.
Yes, the covid pandemic was a statistically historic incident that resulted in the death of over 7 million people around the world.
Early on in the pandemic covid deaths and excess deaths matched quite closely around the world. Covid deaths slightly lagged behind excess deaths, presumably because many deaths were not recorded as being caused by covid.
Select to expand quoteremery said..japie said..
I was responding, (quite pointedly I thought), to the posts regarding vaccine injuries. Let me attempt to make it clearer.
After the vaccines were deployed excess mortality amongst millennials skyrocketed.
There has been no attempt to ascertain the cause which is very strange because the covid mortality was minuscule in comparison, it occurred in large part in the elderly and the morbidly ill and the powers that be spent hundreds of billions combatting it.
That's it.
I think you were responding, (quite naively) without any robust data to back up your erroneous claims.
Can't get any more robust than insurance actuary figures.
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Can't get any more robust than insurance actuary figures.
Those are the figures I'm talking about, the ones that showed excess mortality before covid vaccination. Excess mortality a little higher than recorded covid deaths.
All the people i know who did NOT take it and there were lots - not a single one came down sick.
I know first hand of many who took it and came down sick to very sick.
Also heard of numerous testimonies from others / friends etc who had taken it and came down sick, some with horrific symptoms.
On this very forum a small number mentioned they had experienced horrific symptoms after taking it.
140 000 reports of harm to the TGA database - another smoking gun.
Can it possibly be any more obvious?
Select to expand quotePcdefender said..
All the people i know who did NOT take it and there were lots - not a single one came down sick.
I know first hand of many who took it and came down sick to very sick.
Also heard of numerous testimonies from others / friends etc who had taken it and came down sick, some with horrific symptoms.
On this very forum a small number mentioned they had experienced horrific symptoms after taking it.
140 000 reports of harm to the TGA database - another smoking gun.
Can it possibly be any more obvious?
Testimonies, statements, assertions, claims, anecdotes, made up stories... its what your life revolves around. Can your ignorance possibly be any more obvious?
I do not make up stories.
Assertions - you are more guilty than anyone of this regurgitating their bought and paid for data like a lemming.
You still likely believe that the ones who posted on this forum a few years back after suffering life threatening injuries after taking the shots are liars.
Anecdotes - japie and all the others who posted are liars too no doubt?
Your ignorance or to be more accurate your gullibility is without peer.
Select to expand quoteremery said..japie said.
Can't get any more robust than insurance actuary figures.
Those are the figures I'm talking about, the ones that showed excess mortality before covid vaccination. Excess mortality a little higher than recorded covid deaths.
I don't know what figures you are talking about. This is part of the transcript from the interview with Edward Dowd. It couldn't be any clearer than this. It ain't got nothing to do with covid.
" In January of 2022 we got the first inkling that something was very very wrong potentially and that was One America CEO was on a chamber of commerce call and he wasn't aware that a reporter, Margeret Menge from City View in Indiana, was following this chamber of commerce meeting, and he mentioned that in the second half of 2021 all cause mortality of especially working age members had risen to a stunning 40% and just to put a frame around that a 10% increase in excess mortality for this working age group would be a once in 200 year flood. 40% was just off the charts and to understand why this was so significant it was the Group Life business and group life is a specific business. It's not individual policy holders it's people who work for corporations and I remember, and I am sure many of you who have been employed in different corporations when you're on board with the corporation you sign up with your health care and then you sign a death benefit that is given to you basically for free and it's anywhere from a $50k to $200k policy and if you're not married you sign off the benefit to your parents.So when we are all on board we never expect to collect.
Well in the second half of 2021 Scott Davidson sent off the warning signal that his company, which is a hundred billion dollar insurance company, experienced just this incredible rise in deaths and claims.
Fast forward to February when the insurance companies start reporting I see similar results from other companies."
^^^ the first sentence is a rambling half page with poor diction.
that's an expert I will listen to... not
Select to expand quoteMark _australia said..
^^^ the first sentence is a rambling half page with poor diction.
that's an expert I will listen to... not
It's a transcript from an interview. Record yourself in a conversation then transcribe it and see what you sound (read) like.
Edward Dowd is no fool. He managed a 14 billion dollar investment portfolio for Blackrock.
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^^^ the first sentence is a rambling half page with poor diction.
that's an expert I will listen to... not
Really?
It reads ok to me.
If this is your benchmark for not waking up then i am afraid you are destined to fall for their next 'pandemic' vaccine.
Perhaps it will be the aptly named monkeypox 
Select to expand quoteMark _australia said..
^^^ the first sentence is a rambling half page with poor diction.
that's an expert I will listen to... not
How's your gene therapy going?
x.com/sheryl59514812/status/1572454794866094080?s=46&t=1GB2TIBB90HpGgoUCFAO5w
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From the link....
if you are wondering why SO MANY SIDE EFFECTS are possible, it's because it is an untested category of drug.
We do not have the 10 to 15 year development cycle you normally have so we do not know what is going to happen.
What has turned out to happen is a NIGHTMARE.
Select to expand quotejapie said..
I don't know what figures you are talking about. This is part of the transcript from the interview with Edward Dowd. It couldn't be any clearer than this. It ain't got nothing to do with covid.
" In January of 2022 we got the first inkling that something was very very wrong potentially and that was One America CEO was on a chamber of commerce call and he wasn't aware that a reporter, Margeret Menge from City View in Indiana, was following this chamber of commerce meeting, and he mentioned that in the second half of 2021 all cause mortality of especially working age members had risen to a stunning 40% and just to put a frame around that a 10% increase in excess mortality for this working age group would be a once in 200 year flood. 40% was just off the charts and to understand why this was so significant it was the Group Life business and group life is a specific business. It's not individual policy holders it's people who work for corporations and I remember, and I am sure many of you who have been employed in different corporations when you're on board with the corporation you sign up with your health care and then you sign a death benefit that is given to you basically for free and it's anywhere from a $50k to $200k policy and if you're not married you sign off the benefit to your parents.So when we are all on board we never expect to collect.
Well in the second half of 2021 Scott Davidson sent off the warning signal that his company, which is a hundred billion dollar insurance company, experienced just this incredible rise in deaths and claims.
Fast forward to February when the insurance companies start reporting I see similar results from other companies."
Still no data, just regurgitated drivel.
Select to expand quoteremery said..japie said..
I don't know what figures you are talking about. This is part of the transcript from the interview with Edward Dowd. It couldn't be any clearer than this. It ain't got nothing to do with covid.
" In January of 2022 we got the first inkling that something was very very wrong potentially and that was One America CEO was on a chamber of commerce call and he wasn't aware that a reporter, Margeret Menge from City View in Indiana, was following this chamber of commerce meeting, and he mentioned that in the second half of 2021 all cause mortality of especially working age members had risen to a stunning 40% and just to put a frame around that a 10% increase in excess mortality for this working age group would be a once in 200 year flood. 40% was just off the charts and to understand why this was so significant it was the Group Life business and group life is a specific business. It's not individual policy holders it's people who work for corporations and I remember, and I am sure many of you who have been employed in different corporations when you're on board with the corporation you sign up with your health care and then you sign a death benefit that is given to you basically for free and it's anywhere from a $50k to $200k policy and if you're not married you sign off the benefit to your parents.So when we are all on board we never expect to collect.
Well in the second half of 2021 Scott Davidson sent off the warning signal that his company, which is a hundred billion dollar insurance company, experienced just this incredible rise in deaths and claims.
Fast forward to February when the insurance companies start reporting I see similar results from other companies."
Still no data, just regurgitated drivel.
So the CEO of One America was regurgitating drivel when he announced that his company experienced this " incredible rise in deaths and claims".
I cannot take you seriously. You purport to be a scientist and yet your final go to is comments like this! I know who to believe because the data is similar worldwide except in countries that did not vaccinate widely.
I'd love to know what your agenda is but I won't be holding my breath because you have already exposed yourself as one of those ratty norvegicus standard fibbers of note.
Have a great day! I shan't be wasting any more of my time responding to you.
I thought this was a thread about critical thinking?
I would assume that means reading something and then examining the detail, not just quoting someone who is quoting someone else's speech, and then applying a personal interpretation to it.
Here is an article that examines it. Feel free to read it and examine the detail.
theconversation.com/covid-vaccines-saved-millions-of-lives-linking-them-to-excess-deaths-is-a-mistake-231776
"If the vaccination campaign was contributing to the excess deaths that we have seen in recent years, then we should expect to see more deaths in people who have been vaccinated than in those who have not..."
"What the ONS found was that in all months from April 2021 to May 2023, the death rate from all causes was higher in the unvaccinated than in people who had been vaccinated at least once."
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Have a great day! I shan't be wasting any more of my time responding to you.
My mistake. I thought you weren't posting anymore, not just not responding to Remery.
The same image you posted up says "linked to rare side-effects". What do you think this means as it hasn't been underlined. Is that the opposite of critical thinking; where you just read the underlined stuff?
Maybe if you watched TV and read more of the media you would know that pericarditis and myocarditis are known to be side effects? Seemingly rare, which doesn't account for 40% increases in excess deaths.
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I thought this was a thread about critical thinking?
I would assume that means reading something and then examining the detail, not just quoting someone who is quoting someone else's speech, and then applying a personal interpretation to it.
Here is an article that examines it. Feel free to read it and examine the detail.
theconversation.com/covid-vaccines-saved-millions-of-lives-linking-them-to-excess-deaths-is-a-mistake-231776
"If the vaccination campaign was contributing to the excess deaths that we have seen in recent years, then we should expect to see more deaths in people who have been vaccinated than in those who have not..."
"What the ONS found was that in all months from April 2021 to May 2023, the death rate from all causes was higher in the unvaccinated than in people who had been vaccinated at least once."
Did you now! So why did you post an article from The Conversation?
I fail to see where my "interpretation" was employed with regard to the video clip I posted, and the transcript for that matter.
Life insurance data with regard to mortality is probably as robust as you can get. You're either contributing or being contributed for or you are dead in which case your family is collecting.
The insurance data which was quoted on came from One Life and was specific to Group Life which is a product that caters specifically for corporations who insure their employees. Think about this demographic. Working age. Probably above average intelligence and probably more likely to have a cleaner life style and take care of their health.
Think about the vaccination statistics for corporations. It's not difficult. Do you think that they would be more likely or less likely to be vaccinated? ( Having worked for Masterfoods for over ten years I can assure you that employees for that company would have been under serious pressure to take the jibby jab. They pressured me into taking a flu shot in 1985, my last.)
And you are trying to argue that the excess mortality was largely amongst the un-jibby jabbed?
Stop wallowing and employ some critical thinking!
Just to be pedantic, anecdotally it seems more seabreeze forumers suffered some form of malaise from the covid vaccines than the same group did from covid.
Maybe we are all just special ?
Select to expand quotejapie said..
Did you now! So why did you post an article from The Conversation?
This needed to be repeated.
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Just to be pedantic, anecdotally it seems more seabreeze forumers suffered some form of malaise from the covid vaccines than the same group did from covid.
Maybe we are all just special ?
I had a nasty headache from Covid.
I had two years of chest pain from the vaccine.
I've got full function in both legs thanks to some blind faith in western medicine.
What I'm currently interested in is the new mRNA malaria shot. I hear it's safe and effective.
And what about using leeches to treat gout, if gout is crystals in the blood, why not put a leech on the big toe to suck the crystals out
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Select to expand quoteCarantoc said..
Just to be pedantic, anecdotally it seems more seabreeze forumers suffered some form of malaise from the covid vaccines than the same group did from covid.
Maybe we are all just special ?
Obviously I'm not special. Everyone I know personally is vaccinated, none had a serious reaction to either the vaccine or covid. Go figure?!
Select to expand quotepsychojoe said..
I had a nasty headache from Covid.
I had two years of chest pain from the vaccine.
I've got full function in both legs thanks to some blind faith in western medicine.
What I'm currently interested in is the new mRNA malaria shot. I hear it's safe and effective.
And what about using leeches to treat gout, if gout is crystals in the blood, why not put a leech on the big toe to suck the crystals out
"Uric acid has emerged as a pathological factor in an increasing number of diseases, from classical gout to cardio-vascular diseases, including hypertension, renal failure and coronary disease [58]. In malaria, the activation of innate immunity is a major factor in the balance between parasite survival and host defense. The use of a 'danger signal' such as uric acid may be a consequence of co-evolution to exploit this warning system to trigger a high inflammatory response that could be crucial to Plasmodium survival, particularly in humans and primates that lack uricase activity. The strong inflammatory response to P. falciparum-derived uric acid suggests a novel molecular target for anti-inflammatory therapies in malaria."
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4038092/
Select to expand quotepsychojoe said..Carantoc said..
Just to be pedantic, anecdotally it seems more seabreeze forumers suffered some form of malaise from the covid vaccines than the same group did from covid.
Maybe we are all just special ?
I had a nasty headache from Covid.
I had two years of chest pain from the vaccine.
I've got full function in both legs thanks to some blind faith in western medicine.
What I'm currently interested in is the new mRNA malaria shot. I hear it's safe and effective.
And what about using leeches to treat gout, if gout is crystals in the blood, why not put a leech on the big toe to suck the crystals out
Why are you interested in the new mRNA malaria shot may I ask or are you being facetious?
I've had malaria. Most of us did as kids in Tanzania. Generally came about through being careless by not taking the weekly chloroquine tablet. The Africans call it Sunday Sunday. Because that's when they take it. It's been off patent for decades and literally costs cents. It works. The safety profile is established.
Of course because the disease still exists there is a commercial opportunity for the silver tongued thieves who command sway with the WHO. They'd like nothing better than to run amuck in their favourite laboratory. Fortunately many Africans have wised up to being used as Guinea pigs.
If you are a reader and like novels John Le Carre's The Constant Gardener gives a brilliant insight into how the pharmaceutical industry operates in Africa. You may have seen the movie. It was good but does not do the book justice,( movies rarely do).
Le Carre spent years researching the subject. I recall him stating in an interview that he had asked one of his pharmaceutical insiders what he thought of the book.
The reply was that he had been very soft on them.
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Did you now! So why did you post an article from The Conversation?
I fail to see where my "interpretation" was employed with regard to the video clip I posted, and the transcript for that matter.
Okay, I can help with that. Your original bit about your daughter in law and so on talks about excess deaths, and then you jump onto it being the vaccines. That appears to be your interpretation. There is no mention of the video, just that you have read about excess deaths... and then you seemingly put 2 and 2 together,
"Do you know what? I smell a rat. Not just your ordinary rattus norvegicus. but a mighty great big fibber rat. That's right. A porky pie rat!
And guess what? The only thing that the broader science community can tell us with absolute certainty is that it is one hundred percent not the jibby jab. We know that not because there has been research done but just because.
"
I think the above shows that you are interpreting the reason for the excess deaths.Select to expand quotejapie said..
Life insurance data with regard to mortality is probably as robust as you can get. You're either contributing or being contributed for or you are dead in which case your family is collecting.
The insurance data which was quoted on came from One Life and was specific to Group Life which is a product that caters specifically for corporations who insure their employees. Think about this demographic. Working age. Probably above average intelligence and probably more likely to have a cleaner life style and take care of their health.
Think about the vaccination statistics for corporations. It's not difficult. Do you think that they would be more likely or less likely to be vaccinated? ( Having worked for Masterfoods for over ten years I can assure you that employees for that company would have been under serious pressure to take the jibby jab. They pressured me into taking a flu shot in 1985, my last.)
And you are trying to argue that the excess mortality was largely amongst the un-jibby jabbed?
Stop wallowing and employ some critical thinking!
Who is quesitoning the stats? Not me. The reason though is up for debate. The article I posted refers to a study that compares the death stats from the unvaccinated with the vaccinated. It suggests that you would expect to see a higher rate in the vaxxed versus the unvaxxed but you see the reverse.
The logic is that if the vaccines were the cause, you should see a higher rate of excess mortality in the vaccinated.
There is also mention that people with existing illnesses were prioritised for vaccination, so you would expect to see more deaths from that group because of this.
Select to expand quotepsychojoe said..japie said..
Did you now! So why did you post an article from The Conversation?
This needed to be repeated.
Okay, I have repeated it. What is your point?
Are you one of those people that just green thumb posts instead of a written response? Maybe just stick to that?
