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boofta
boofta
NSW
179 posts
NSW, 179 posts
5 Nov 2011 10:26am
Paradox
You cannot create thousands of jobs in a saturated market.I accept your point that foreign operators are here on the ground in australia.
However, they are paying decent wages to Australians in australia.
What this irish git is planning is aussie unemployment. Foreign workers
on close to slave labour conditions, moving our jobs overseas.

Do you have a secure job?
Paradox
Paradox
QLD
1326 posts
QLD, 1326 posts
7 Nov 2011 10:54am
boofta said...

Paradox
You cannot create thousands of jobs in a saturated market.I accept your point that foreign operators are here on the ground in australia.
However, they are paying decent wages to Australians in australia.
What this irish git is planning is aussie unemployment. Foreign workers
on close to slave labour conditions, moving our jobs overseas.

Do you have a secure job?


I would suggest you can create jobs anywhere if you have the need to employ people.

And I do agree with you that other airlines employ Aussies and have created local jobs. However they pay thier Aussie employees less than Qantas, are not being forced to guarantee jobs and only operate their local domestic activites from Australia. Thier international operations and staff are based offshore. I do not believe Qantas is suggesting they would move thier domestic operations offshore....

I'm not sure you could put employees in the developed Asian countries (Singapore, Malaysia, HK etc) in the slave labour market either. Just because they are relatively cheaper does not mean they are exploited.

As for your question - I work in the private sector for a publically listed company and my job is certainly not secure - whilst my employer sees benefit in employing me, I have a job. If the company is performing poorly, the share price is down, I am made redundant, or my boss wakes up one morning and decides he does not like me I could easily find myself on the street.

I have to fight every day to ensure I am seen as value to the company I work for and my performance is clearly measured against that.

I would suggest that any employee of Qantas that has a similar attitude and work ethic (no matter what they do) would likely have a much stronger gurantee of a job than any forced agreement would deliver.
boofta
boofta
NSW
179 posts
NSW, 179 posts
7 Nov 2011 12:15pm
Joyce has stated around 1000 people will lose their jobs.
It will be at his discretion, those who perform or please
will not be spared. The wages paid to airline staff in Asia
are significantly lower than Aust rates.Particularly the LCC
(low cost carriers) that Joyce wants to style his Asian
adventure on. From my long experience around 30%
of a similar airline in Aust. Yeh, taxes are lower but cost
of living leaves a totally inferior lifestyle. As an example
most singapore pilots do their shopping on public transport.
They will never even own a car,let alone a decent house
with a garden,this is not a similar income level or lifestyle
to Aussies.
evlPanda
evlPanda
NSW
9207 posts
NSW, 9207 posts
7 Nov 2011 1:44pm
Bit old.

www.askcaptainlim.com/salary-propilot-78/307-singapore-airlines-pilots-salary.html

Cars must be really, really expensive in Singapore. Still $AU90K is kind sad for an A380 Pilot.
Little Jon
Little Jon
NSW
2115 posts
NSW, 2115 posts
7 Nov 2011 2:07pm
Paradox said...

CMC said...

I'm no economist but when I watch the finance news and they report that the US sharemarket and $ Value has gone down again based upon employment figures and business growth it makes sense doesn't it?

They're ahead of us on the outsourcing thing and don't seem to have the resources to sell. Perhaps if they didnt send all of their jobs overseas they'd have greater employment, tax revenue and consumer spending to keep their economy moving.

Is this just too simplistic? Is it a look into a crystal ball at our own future?


The US economy and industry overall is a very good one and will eventually recover very strongly. They have great industry and thier productivity is a world benchmark. They just overshot thier standard of living and are going through an adjustment phase. Low interest rates and continual printing of money is stimulating their economy and also lowering their dollar. There is also a process underway to shed the $US as the worlds base currency. This is a good thing. They might actually return to being a major world exporter down the track, especially when the Chinese eventually bow to pressure and float thier currency.

Interestingly this strength of the US is founded on industrial relations laws that have very low minimum wages, allow employers to sack (and hire) staff as they feel fit with little ramifications and overall take the view that strong companies with minimal restraints provide better overall employment conditions than a heavily regulated one. A true market economy.


What's the point of being a strong economy if you are living in poverty?
evlPanda
evlPanda
NSW
9207 posts
NSW, 9207 posts
7 Nov 2011 2:42pm
Tom Albanese (American chief of Rio Tinto) said ''Policy makers around the world can learn a lesson when considering a new tax to plug a revenue gap, or play to local politics.'' the week after Labor unseated Rudd.


Where am I going with this? Qantas.

The $AU is so high because of mining, right? And what affects Qantas more than a high $AU? Only Icelandic volcanoes.

I blame, partially, the failure of the Super-Duper-Resource-Mining-Profit-Badly-Named-Tax.
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
8 Nov 2011 12:55am
evlPanda said...

Bit old.

Cars must be really, really expensive in Singapore.


Don't think so but the cost of using the roads is.

Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23649 posts
WA, 23649 posts
7 Nov 2011 11:14pm
Gotta love the comments on Q&A on ABC right now.

Govt Minister Kate Ellis (?) gets a question - "your Govt implemented legislation, Quantas has used it and followed it blah blah. Now your Govt is having a sook about it (being used that is)..."

Her reply - "well we'd have hoped they would use clause 123456, as we have used it...."


Dopey woman. The whole idea is not that you HOPE they MAY use it the way you intended. Big business always look after themselves and the almighty dollar. Govt's should not "hope" companies do certain things. The whole idea of legislation is to FORCE all people and corporations to do a certain thing. But you people wrote the legislation really fkn badly.



Typical Labour socialist idealistic crap, come up with anything to counter what Liberal has on offer ... just to get voted in... and then in fact it does not work.
Bit like their recent immigration stuff that has been a dismal failure.

Real easy to wave a placard and be president of the student union at some Uni - not so easy running a country, is it people?

FlySurfer
FlySurfer
NSW
4460 posts
NSW, 4460 posts
8 Nov 2011 12:28pm
cisco said...

evlPanda said...

Bit old.
Cars must be really, really expensive in Singapore.


Don't think so but the cost of using the roads is.

Yup both cars and using the road are super expensive... but public transport is awesome.

Oh and a beer costs $15.

SomeOtherGuy
SomeOtherGuy
NSW
807 posts
NSW, 807 posts
8 Nov 2011 2:19pm
Mark _australia said...

Gotta love the comments on Q&A on ABC right now.

Govt Minister Kate Ellis (?) gets a question - "your Govt implemented legislation, Quantas has used it and followed it blah blah. Now your Govt is having a sook about it (being used that is)..."

Her reply - "well we'd have hoped they would use clause 123456, as we have used it...."


Dopey woman. The whole idea is not that you HOPE they MAY use it the way you intended. Big business always look after themselves and the almighty dollar. Govt's should not "hope" companies do certain things. The whole idea of legislation is to FORCE all people and corporations to do a certain thing. But you people wrote the legislation really fkn badly.



Typical Labour socialist idealistic crap, come up with anything to counter what Liberal has on offer ... just to get voted in... and then in fact it does not work.
Bit like their recent immigration stuff that has been a dismal failure.

Real easy to wave a placard and be president of the student union at some Uni - not so easy running a country, is it people?




eerrrmmm... could be wrong but I'm pretty sure that section was written by the former Liberal government Mark. As was most of the Fair Work act. Basically, all Labor did was loosen up a few odds and ends in the old Serfchoices act and give it a new name.
Paradox
Paradox
QLD
1326 posts
QLD, 1326 posts
9 Nov 2011 12:10pm
SomeOtherGuy said...

Mark _australia said...

Gotta love the comments on Q&A on ABC right now.

Govt Minister Kate Ellis (?) gets a question - "your Govt implemented legislation, Quantas has used it and followed it blah blah. Now your Govt is having a sook about it (being used that is)..."

Her reply - "well we'd have hoped they would use clause 123456, as we have used it...."


Dopey woman. The whole idea is not that you HOPE they MAY use it the way you intended. Big business always look after themselves and the almighty dollar. Govt's should not "hope" companies do certain things. The whole idea of legislation is to FORCE all people and corporations to do a certain thing. But you people wrote the legislation really fkn badly.



Typical Labour socialist idealistic crap, come up with anything to counter what Liberal has on offer ... just to get voted in... and then in fact it does not work.
Bit like their recent immigration stuff that has been a dismal failure.

Real easy to wave a placard and be president of the student union at some Uni - not so easy running a country, is it people?




eerrrmmm... could be wrong but I'm pretty sure that section was written by the former Liberal government Mark. As was most of the Fair Work act. Basically, all Labor did was loosen up a few odds and ends in the old Serfchoices act and give it a new name.


I think you right there SOG, given the info on the link you posted, although I think you are oversimplifyng it somewhat. Small tweaks can make big differences in application.

I do agree with Mark's overall comment though, Labour are so out of touch with business. I mean, what a stupid answer....
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