evlPanda said...

Macroscien said...
As you can see on my own example above misrepresentation's on his action could provoke also attack the is trying to restrict human rights, not to protect the country.

Kiterboy, you seem good with this. Для меня это все китайское.

...sorry Macro, but you have to admit it's pretty damn hard to read.

and Macro, dude, there is no way in hell a Muslim terrorist/fundamentalist is going to pretend to be gay. He'd rather die a thousand times. Honestly.

He says that restricting entry into the country on the basis of such a politically charged topic, is bound to be misinterpreted and attacked.

I don't think it's too far fetched for terrorists to-
- Pretend to be gay, in the name of their deity, to achieve their goals (they've pretended to be women before)
- Recruit actual homosexuals to carry out their instructions, to avoid being killed by the religious zealots, and by doing so cleaning their slate, so to speak, for the afterlife


The thing is though, they would need a resident here already to make the entry by marriage thing viable.

I'm not particularly worried/concerned about the sexual preferences of our migrants or potential migrants Macroscien, but sometimes an idea can be like a fart….best not let out….

Macroscien, mate, perhaps it's just time to let this thread fall by the wayside? Your idea, misguided as it might be, has opened pandora's box but in doing so, it hasn't portrayed you in a glowing light....just a thought….

I don't think we have a lot to fear from homosexual Muslim boat people terrorists.

They never be able to choose a backpack that goes nicely with their robe.

It's just not possible.
I've been reliably informed that there are NO gay muslims. Full stop.

The new legislation is just matter of time, that the fact.
www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/turnbull-urges-mps-to-back-gay-civil-unions-20120910-25nkx.html
As I am not opponent just an advisor to create new law is such way to avoid future nasty surprises. It is up to legislators how...
Bad law is worse the no law at all

tmurray said...

Ok - (and I feel like I'm jumping down a rabbit hole by even entering this discussion).

Why is it easier for a terrorist to fake a gay marriage, than a heterosexual marriage?

Duh - cos only the blokes come over on the boats

tmurray said...
Why is it easier for a terrorist to fake a gay marriage, than a heterosexual marriage?

IMO the traditional marriage is much easier to investigate by immigration department officer. Some rules apply and quite easy to spot a fake.
Ie young attractive lady that marry over internet old dude but millionere seems still to be reasonable choice , but a begger - that will rise suspicion.
I am not sure if any rules could be applied to gay marriage at all.
Since such possibly could be based on different levels -physical or emotional- IMO everything possible -then impossible to verify..

In the whole thread wasn't a single contra argument against my thesis.
But plenty of abuse, red fingering and insults.
Sad to say but as a society we didn't grow up to discuss any difficult minority problems.
If you try to rationally investigate any of this topics : racial, religion, handicap, women rights ,native and sexual orientation response is easy to predict.
So smart people just avoid it at all cost or give up before even start a quarrel.

As for me, as a neutral observer the result is indifferent.

Suppose that I wanted to discuss this difficult matter on the forum in the intelligent and logical manner, unbiased and without offending anybody.
And I can not ! The place as forum created to discuss, exchange view, learn.

As a society we are still on Neanderthal level and Arabic revolution, Afghan war is the best example that people can not just talk or listen. Must fight on the streets till the blood

Macro, it's red thumbing not red fingering or should that be brown fingering in this case

Macroscien, your concern seems to hinge on the assumption that faking a gay marriage would be much easier than faking a straight marriage. I don't see why you would assume that. I don't know specifically what the requirements are for getting Australian citizenship for a spouse who lives overseas, but I don't think it's that easy. And if it is that easy, then people will be running the scam already, gay or not.

Google is your friend.

Same sex relationships have been recognised by Immigration for more than three years when it comes to spouse/partner visas.

http://www.immi.gov.au/legislation/key-changes/2009/same-sex-relationships.htm

Still seems like a long-winded way to get a terrorist into the country.

www.immi.gov.au/migrants/family/family-visas-partner.htm

And here is a simple, 58 page booklet on Partner Migration into Australia, I still think it will be easier to get on a boat and claim asylum.

www.immi.gov.au/allforms/booklets/1127.pdf

I'm still dubious as to your homophobic tendencies, if your concern is for getting terrorists or criminals into the country via partner migration why did you single out gays in your original post?

The reason to single out gays in immigration law is that criteria as so broad that could accommodate everybody willing to fake it or use that law for other hidden agenda.
There is subtle difference in immigrating women 7 month pregnant with 2 children already and so called gay partner.
If you can't spot any I give up.
Obviously genuine gays could feels offended by any suspicion.
The same apply possibly to all minority groups that usually claim equal right and receive actually much more then mainstream.
-women rights in any family dispute
-black american petty criminal that turn anything into racial discrimination



and such criteria could accommodate now absolutely everybody



Tell me now why people still jump onto boats instead of filling form 801, pay postage and wait in safety of their own house for approval?
Unless obviously there are genuine asylum seekers that could not afford to wait any longer and their life in danger in the place where they are.

2 years waiting by your TV,computer, and fridge full of beer at is still shorter then 5 years in concentration camp on remote islands..