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They forget to include disposable drinking straws on that graph. Or is their contribution so small that they're not worth considering? 
Select to expand quotePcdefender said..decrepit said.
And the amount of damage caused by climate change?
Shame on you Cisco for not factoring in 'climate change' 
Start drinking the Kool aid asap.
Another calculation I would like to see is the amount of electricity that could be generated from the hot air coming from the mouths of the greenies.
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However, a combined cycle gas turbine generator is around 60% efficient, so that beats the internal combustion engine hands down.
That's why I have one in my batmobile. It keeps the atomic batteries charged nicely.
financialpost.com/opinion/bjorn-lomborg-the-muddled-reality-of-electric-cars
I guess to some owning one would be an act of self purification.
Hydrogen ICE cars don't necessarily look so good either from a practical point of view if you want decent range, but a hydrogen fuel cell powered EV seems plausible.
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Or by combined cycle gas turbine in the interim. 
It's not a meme (if that's what you call a few words written over a block coloured background or a picture), but an article from the USA touching upon the market for used EVs made a few points
insideevs.com/news/625666/lessons-10000-electric-cars-100-million-miles/
I've heard the rules for novated leasing, electric cars and fringe benefits taxes are changing. There will be around a $9k saving on leasing an electric car worth around $70K and on an income of around $100K compared to leasing a combustion engine car of around the same price over the period of the lease. I've never leased a car like this so I'm unsure of exactly how it works.
It looks like the federal government is going to use the old carrot and stick approach to push people to buy electric cars. If so it is probable we will see a lot more electric cars for sale from different brands.
If the government offers a $3000 subsidy for every EV, and this increases sales of EVs by 10%, how much is it costing the taxpayer for each additional EV?
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If the government offers a $3000 subsidy for every EV, and this increases sales of EVs by 10%, how much is it costing the taxpayer for each additional EV?
Are you suggesting this as the incremental subsidy cost of the additional 10% of EV sales... $3,000 * 1.1/0.1 = $33,000 ?
Although, if it only boosted sales by 1%, you'd get this... $3,000 * 1.01/0.1 = $303,000 !
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If the government offers a $3000 subsidy for every EV, and this increases sales of EVs by 10%, how much is it costing the taxpayer for each additional EV?
The GST on the car would be more than $3000 in most cases.
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If the government offers a $3000 subsidy for every EV, and this increases sales of EVs by 10%, how much is it costing the taxpayer for each additional EV?
The GST on the car would be more than $3000 in most cases.
Not to mention the road tax paid via fuel sales that EV's don't at the moment pay.
In Norway the cost of electricity is more than fuel.
A sign of things to come perhaps.
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If the government offers a $3000 subsidy for every EV, and this increases sales of EVs by 10%, how much is it costing the taxpayer for each additional EV?
Are you suggesting this as the incremental subsidy cost of the additional 10% of EV sales... $3,000 * 1.1/0.1 = $33,000 ?
Although, if it only boosted sales by 1%, you'd get this... $3,000 * 1.01/0.1 = $303,000 !
Spot on. To put it another way, we can sell 10,000 EVs at $0 cost to the taxpayer, or we can sell 11,000 EVs at a cost of $33,000,000.
So are EV subsidies best use of taxpayer funds to reduce carbon emmissions, or an extremely inefficient feel-good populist vote-winner?
Mr Milk, I don't understand how the GST component is relevant?
It is almost like you are saying the best way to deal with unwanted carbon dioxide emissions is via direct action with the largest polluters and not via economy wide or broad based taxes and subsidies ?
{insert side-eye kid meme}
Then again I also heard the other day that the best way to wean the economy off gas was to cap the price everyone pays for it and so make it as cheap as possible.
Maybe next week the great flash-plan idea of the day's cost of living news headline will be to subside all fossil fuels to consumers using money raised from a tax on...... mining fossil fuels.
Australia has large cobalt-bearing nickel laterite deposits including Glencore's Murrin Murrin Mine in the north-eastern Goldfields of WA and CleanTeQ's undeveloped Syerston Project in central NSW. In 2019, Murrin Murrin was the country's largest single cobalt producer with 3,400 tonnes per year of cobalt and it accounted for the majority of Australian cobalt output.The Broken Hill Cobalt ProjectCobalt Blue's BHCP is 23 kilometres west of Broken Hill in Far West NSW. The resource is not a laterite but rather a sulphide (pyrite) cobalt deposit with no copper, negligible nickel and very distinctive mineralogy which enable a mine design with substantially lower outlay and high cobalt recoveries (85-90%).The company intends to produce 3,500 to 4,000 tonnes per year of cobalt using a very different metallurgical process than laterite treatment and this is expected to be a healthy investment for stakeholders and the environment.
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Thats a piddle China dominates.
Actually, China doesn't mine cobalt at home. DRC does have the world's largest reserves, but Australia is the number 3 producer
hir.harvard.edu/not-so-green-technology-the-complicated-legacy-of-rare-earth-mining/
These nations should be able to benefit from being resource rich but clearly not.
Getting harder by the day to conclude anything other than it is immoral to own one.
Where is the moral outrage by the media and Govt to their development?
All we seem to hear about these days is Ukraine.
You'll own nothing and be happy - soon to be the most infamous words ever spoken
www.businessinsider.com/holiday-travel-long-wait-times-for-tesla-chargers-2019-12
I'm not convinced.Hybrid?.... maybe.
Not enough time on the weekend to deal with this.
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How will the EV luvies cope with it.
Do you drive a petrol car? There is cobalt in the catalytic converter...
Do you drive a diesel? They use cobalt to remove the Sulphur.
Do you own a mobile... There is probably cobalt in that.
I hope you can cope with that...
Yes, EVs currently use more, but that is changing.
LiFePo4 chemistry does not use cobalt.
thenextweb.com/news/the-cobalt-free-electric-vehicle-batteries-are-here
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Dose of reality .
Not enough metal to even supply first generation of EVs let alone everything else in the zero carbon economy they want to enforce and turn into a materials economy.
Thanks Rango, He's straightforward with what we know and don't know. Looks like the planet will have to cope with fossil fuel burning for a good while yet.
