Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..
That was an intelligence test. If you were not smart enough to get someone else to buy your alcohol for you or your food, then you deserve to have to sit down and think it out.
Damn I failed at turning myself into an alco and clogging up the hospitals. Sorry.
Select to expand quoteFlying Dutchman said..FormulaNova said..
That was an intelligence test. If you were not smart enough to get someone else to buy your alcohol for you or your food, then you deserve to have to sit down and think it out.
Damn I failed at turning myself into an alco and clogging up the hospitals. Sorry.
I hope you weren't in WA at the time! I was shocked when they introduced alcohol limits, per day I think.
I think it was outrageous. Something like only two cartons of beer, (and) two bottles of spirits (and) 15 bottles of wine. Or something like that. I didn't take much notice but was worried that for some out there that would be a real issue. No doubt those people have died now as they were clearly obese and unhealthy enough that they didn't deserve to live whether they had the vaccine or not.
Probably not a fair restriction though as someone drinking more than that is probably not socialising much or even going to work.
Edit: My bad, I just looked them up. Just think you could only buy per day: three bottles of wine. one carton of beer, cider or pre-mix spirits. one litre of spirits. - How does anyone get through a day like that? I would be pissed just lining up the next day, if I could even find the place after drinking that lot.
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..
Yeah sure. One of the benefits was helping out others and protecting yourself and your family. If you are free to be able to avoid that benefit, then you did the right thing for yourself. Wait long enough and the rest of the population would help you out by getting immunity. Which is essentially what has happened.
I haven't decided against the 5th vaccine yet, but as I said, I am not so keen. Did you not read that correctly? Is this a comprehension test thing?
FormulaNova, the Covid vaxs don't stop transmission. This is not 2021 anymore. You can turn off the TV. It was a noble claim to say you're protecting your friends and family by taking the vax and I wish that were true, however the reality was that the vaccines weren't designed to stop the spread. Even Pfizer admitted so as you would know.
Please get the 5th jab FN, it's 'safe and effective'*. You've got nothing to lose.
* In extremely rare' cases you may suffer from one or more of the 1000s of adverse reactions noted in the 9 pages of adverse events in the Pfizer clinical trials.
Select to expand quoteFlying Dutchman said..FormulaNova said..
The above is a joke, but no one really cares do they?
I don't care but myscreenname seemed to make it an issue so I answered it.
I don't care - no one cares.
Select to expand quoteFlying Dutchman said..FormulaNova said..
Yeah sure. One of the benefits was helping out others and protecting yourself and your family. If you are free to be able to avoid that benefit, then you did the right thing for yourself. Wait long enough and the rest of the population would help you out by getting immunity. Which is essentially what has happened.
I haven't decided against the 5th vaccine yet, but as I said, I am not so keen. Did you not read that correctly? Is this a comprehension test thing?
FormulaNova, the Covid vaxs don't stop transmission. This is not 2021 anymore. You can turn off the TV. It was a noble claim to say you're protecting your friends and family by taking the vax and I wish that were true, however the reality was that the vaccines weren't designed to stop the spread. Even Pfizer admitted so as you would know.
Please get the 5th jab FN, it's 'safe and effective'*. You've got nothing to lose.
(* In extremely rare' cases you may suffer from one or more of the 1000s of adverse reactions noted in the 9 pages of adverse events in the Pfizer clinical trials.)
Nope, I don't agree. Youtube video or not. Even if Pfizer has stepped away from saying it doesn't prevent transmisson.
Does Pfizer saying 'it doesn't stop transmission' equal "it doesn't stop transmission"?
I hope you can see the difference there.
I personally think it does reduce transmission. If your vaccination means that you may still catch Covid but are not coughing and sneezing all over the place, surely that reduces the chance of transmission.
I suspect that the Pfizer 'admission' is a legal thing as they know it cannot always reduce transmission. The immune system in your body finds it hard to protect some parts better than others.
But what you say is all a waste anyway as 'we' as the public didn't know if it stopped spreading it at the time. Someone deciding to take it to protect others was still doing so under the impression that it did. Until later when Pfizer made that 'admission'.
At the time, you made the concious decision not to take it. Others took the concious decision to take it. All of us were under the impression at the time that it would reduce transmission.
Select to expand quoteFlying Dutchman said..myscreenname said..
As citizens you can vote out those who impose unfair rules. As a guest you can leave if you don't like the rules.
Are you a citizen or a guest here?
If you don't care why did you bring this up?
Are you sure you are Australian? I think you are applying a bit of Dutch understanding there and taking it literally. I read that as a bit of sarcasm.
It's almost like trying to tell a joke to a German.
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Did you really watch that video or just forward it on? I really have my doubts that you watched it and its only short.
She says something weird in response which doesn't really address your point, but the bonus is that she clearly highlights that they had to release it 'at risk' due to the speed of development and the urgency.
I can understand the question from the guy with that weird foreign accent, but the response she gives is not about transmission. Is my hearing failing? Is MY comprehension now as rubbish as I like to claim for others?
Imagine if this discussion was held publicly and not on the world wide web.
It would of been over and done with 17 pages ago.
Please continue to waste your existence believing lies ,dishonest politicians and replying to trolls who hide behind fake names.
Select to expand quoteFlying Dutchman said..FormulaNova said..
Yeah sure. One of the benefits was helping out others and protecting yourself and your family. If you are free to be able to avoid that benefit, then you did the right thing for yourself. Wait long enough and the rest of the population would help you out by getting immunity. Which is essentially what has happened.
I haven't decided against the 5th vaccine yet, but as I said, I am not so keen. Did you not read that correctly? Is this a comprehension test thing?
FormulaNova, the Covid vaxs don't stop transmission. This is not 2021 anymore. You can turn off the TV. It was a noble claim to say you're protecting your friends and family by taking the vax and I wish that were true, however the reality was that the vaccines weren't designed to stop the spread. Even Pfizer admitted so as you would know.
Please get the 5th jab FN, it's 'safe and effective'*. You've got nothing to lose.
* In extremely rare' cases you may suffer from one or more of the 1000s of adverse reactions noted in the 9 pages of adverse events in the Pfizer clinical trials.
Holy crapolli batman, I think I know why you sent that video. It was part of a social media post about 'Pfizer admitting it didn't stop transmission'. Do you really not look at these things critically, but instead just take someone else's word for it and forward them on without stopping and thinking?
I did a quick 'do my own research' sort of thing and this is what i got:
www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-pfizer-vaccine-transmission-idUSL1N31F20E
www.abc.net.au/news/2022-10-21/fact-check-pfizer-admission-transmission-european-parliament/101556606
apnews.com/article/fact-check-pfizer-transmission-european-parliament-950413863226
fullfact.org/health/coronavirus-vaccine-pfizer-transmission-test/
www.factcheck.org/2022/10/scicheck-its-not-news-nor-scandalous-that-pfizer-trial-didnt-test-transmission/
I know, I know, I just broke my own rules and posted lots of crappy links. The summary is that Pfizer essentially said that they released the vaccine onto the market as quick as they could. There was no requirement to have it "stop transmission" in order for it to be released and apparently there was no claim that it did.
Despite this, in early observations (by others) it WAS shown to reduce transmission. Possibly just like I suggested, but I don't actually know.
So, did Pfizer actually say that it 'did not stop transmission' or that 'it was not designed to stop transmission'? Your own words above say the later, as in it was not designed to stop transmission (in order to have it released to the market).
It doesn't mean that it doesn't actually reduce transmission though. The two are not equal.
If I have royally f#cked up and got that wrong, please send me the video where Pfizer say that, or if you are struggling with anti-vaxxer video snippets send me a link to a press release or something like that. I really want to know if I have been LIED TO!
Select to expand quoteFlying Dutchman said..
Since you seem obsessed with the level of my Aussieness, I'll explain my heritage. Born in The Netherlands in 1977. Mum & Dad moved to Australia in 1978 when I was 15 months old. Have lived here ever since. Have dual citizenship for Australia and Holland.
I have a short test that will settle this nationality problem.
Can you tell me what a Dutch Oven is?
Remember, there is no right or wrong answer.
Select to expand quoteok said..
Imagine if this discussion was held publicly and not on the world wide web.
It would of been over and done with 17 pages ago.
Please continue to waste your existence believing lies ,dishonest politicians and replying to trolls who hide behind fake names.
Hey, my birth certificate says FormulaNova and gender 'uncertain/TBA'.
Ma and Pa Nova are so proud of me.
Select to expand quotemyscreenname said..Flying Dutchman said..
Since you seem obsessed with the level of my Aussieness, I'll explain my heritage. Born in The Netherlands in 1977. Mum & Dad moved to Australia in 1978 when I was 15 months old. Have lived here ever since. Have dual citizenship for Australia and Holland.
I have a short test that will settle this nationality problem.
Can you tell me what a Dutch Oven is?
They sell that on 'Brand Developers' right?
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..
...and the idea was to keep potentially infected people away from the rest if US. ..
After all this time you'se still saying that the unvaxxed are more likely to get infected ?
Are you just saying that or do you actually believe it ?
Oh yeah, also..
I was out of town for a few days last week and missed the whole 9/11 discussion in this thread.
I have absolutely no idea what or why 9/11 was brought up.
Could somebody explain ? I am worried I may have missed something.
No problem if it is unexplainable.
Select to expand quoteFlying Dutchman said..FormulaNova said..
Yeah sure. One of the benefits was helping out others and protecting yourself and your family. If you are free to be able to avoid that benefit, then you did the right thing for yourself. Wait long enough and the rest of the population would help you out by getting immunity. Which is essentially what has happened.
I haven't decided against the 5th vaccine yet, but as I said, I am not so keen. Did you not read that correctly? Is this a comprehension test thing?
FormulaNova, the Covid vaxs don't stop transmission. This is not 2021 anymore. You can turn off the TV. It was a noble claim to say you're protecting your friends and family by taking the vax and I wish that were true, however the reality was that the vaccines weren't designed to stop the spread. Even Pfizer admitted so as you would know.
Please get the 5th jab FN, it's 'safe and effective'*. You've got nothing to lose.
* In extremely rare' cases you may suffer from one or more of the 1000s of adverse reactions noted in the 9 pages of adverse events in the Pfizer clinical trials.
9 pages of adverse events in the clinical trials? Really? Do you happen to know how many occurred? They could have just used really large font to fill up space.
Or are you referring to "5.3.6 CUMULATIVE ANALYSIS OF POST-AUTHORIZATION ADVERSE EVENT
REPORTS OF PF-07302048 (BNT162B2) RECEIVED THROUGH 28-FEB-2021", which does have a list of all the Adverse Events Of Special Interest that Pfizer were actively monitoring for in the post marketing phase.(approx 9 pages worth).
The key things to note with this document are:
-that it covers the monitoring of vaccine after approval for use and distribution to various nations, approx 6million doses. Not clinical trials data.
-They were actively monitoring for reports of these AESIs, not the same as reported Adverse Events.
-The list of AESIs includes things like Herpes, Chilblains and even Lupus.
Have a read of that, because I'm not able to make a YouTube or tictok of it for you
Select to expand quoteD3 said..
Have a read of that, because I'm not able to make a YouTube or tictok of it for you
Who cares, you're about to pay OK's compensation.
Select to expand quoteFlying Dutchman said..D3 said..Flying Dutchman said..FormulaNova said..
Yeah sure. One of the benefits was helping out others and protecting yourself and your family. If you are free to be able to avoid that benefit, then you did the right thing for yourself. Wait long enough and the rest of the population would help you out by getting immunity. Which is essentially what has happened.
I haven't decided against the 5th vaccine yet, but as I said, I am not so keen. Did you not read that correctly? Is this a comprehension test thing?
FormulaNova, the Covid vaxs don't stop transmission. This is not 2021 anymore. You can turn off the TV. It was a noble claim to say you're protecting your friends and family by taking the vax and I wish that were true, however the reality was that the vaccines weren't designed to stop the spread. Even Pfizer admitted so as you would know.
Please get the 5th jab FN, it's 'safe and effective'*. You've got nothing to lose.
* In extremely rare' cases you may suffer from one or more of the 1000s of adverse reactions noted in the 9 pages of adverse events in the Pfizer clinical trials.
9 pages of adverse events in the clinical trials? Really? Do you happen to know how many occurred? They could have just used really large font to fill up space.
Or are you referring to "5.3.6 CUMULATIVE ANALYSIS OF POST-AUTHORIZATION ADVERSE EVENT
REPORTS OF PF-07302048 (BNT162B2) RECEIVED THROUGH 28-FEB-2021", which does have a list of all the Adverse Events Of Special Interest that Pfizer were actively monitoring for in the post marketing phase.(approx 9 pages worth).
The key things to note with this document are:
-that it covers the monitoring of vaccine after approval for use and distribution to various nations, approx 6million doses. Not clinical trials data.
-They were actively monitoring for reports of these AESIs, not the same as reported Adverse Events.
-The list of AESIs includes things like Herpes, Chilblains and even Lupus.
Have a read of that, because I'm not able to make a YouTube or tictok of it for you
Who cares, you're about to pay OK's compensation.
I thought you did?, seeing as you're the one who brought it up to support your position.
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Imagine if this discussion was held publicly and not on the world wide web.
It would of been over and done with 17 pages ago.
Please continue to waste your existence believing lies ,dishonest politicians and replying to trolls who hide behind fake names.
Five vaccinations... no COVID, no adverse reaction, still windsurfing, bike riding, working, travelling overseas... living the dream. Thank you medical science.
Be careful, them's fighting words for Argon Man.
I mean, all I said a couple of days ago alluding to the 3 "C"s ( correlation, coincidence, causation) was enough to get him going.
Select to expand quoteMr Milk said..
Be careful, them's fighting words for Argon Man.
I mean, all I said a couple of days ago alluding to the 3 "C"s ( correlation, coincidence, causation) was enough to get him going.
Ha. LOL. I just realised who you were talking about.
He uses big words sometimes but gets the words wrong other times. Must be a politician 
Select to expand quoteremery said..ok said..
Imagine if this discussion was held publicly and not on the world wide web.
It would of been over and done with 17 pages ago.
Please continue to waste your existence believing lies ,dishonest politicians and replying to trolls who hide behind fake names.
Five vaccinations... no COVID, no adverse reaction, still windsurfing, bike riding, working, travelling overseas... living the dream. Thank you medical science.
Yeah, its good for some, but I do have a lot of sympathy for OK. The majority may have been fine with the vaccinations but its cold comfort to those that weren't. It's a random chance thing too.
Select to expand quoteFlying Dutchman said..D3 said..
Have a read of that, because I'm not able to make a YouTube or tictok of it for you
Who cares, you're about to pay OK's compensation.
I still care about how you got 'vaccines don't stop transmission' from that video. It says nothing of the sort.
As for compensation, OK deserves it, so its not an issue.
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..
I still care about how you got 'vaccines don't stop transmission' from that video. It says nothing of the sort.
Argue it with the former Premier of NSW.
www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/dominic-perrottet-vaccines-do-not-stop-covid19-transmission/news-story/1433cb985d99628c324b1dc6952241b4
Select to expand quoteFlying Dutchman said..FormulaNova said..
I still care about how you got 'vaccines don't stop transmission' from that video. It says nothing of the sort.
Argue it with the former Premier of NSW.
www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/dominic-perrottet-vaccines-do-not-stop-covid19-transmission/news-story/1433cb985d99628c324b1dc6952241b4
Nah. he is a politician and would win the argument no matter what. Plus he thinks 'God did it all' so I can't argue with that.
But do we agree that even though Pfizer did not require the vaccine to prevent transmission in order to release it to the market, i.e. it was not designed to prevent transmission, that it could indeed prevent transmission and still be compatible with what was said?
I guess what I am saying is that 'not designed to prevent transmission' is not the same as 'designed to not prevent transmission' or even 'does not prevent transmission'. (sorry no videos are available to explain comprehension)
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But do we agree that even though Pfizer did not require the vaccine to prevent transmission in order to release it to the market, i.e. it was not designed to prevent transmission, that it could indeed prevent transmission and still be compatible with what was said?
95% of Aussies got double vaxxed.
Did Covid run rampant throughout Australia?
A) Yes
B) No
Select to expand quoteFlying Dutchman said..FormulaNova said..
But do we agree that even though Pfizer did not require the vaccine to prevent transmission in order to release it to the market, i.e. it was not designed to prevent transmission, that it could indeed prevent transmission and still be compatible with what was said?
95% of Aussies got double vaxxed.
Did Covid run rampant throughout Australia?
A) Yes
B) No
You seem to be using terrible logic to try and avoid clear discussion. You aren't even clearly stating what your points are meant to prove. You are just putting stuff out there and hoping it assembles itself into an argument.
When did 95% of people get double vaxxed?
Does 95% confer herd immunnity when done at the same time?
It's been a while now and people forget things with time, but as far as I recall, where I live Covid was barely a thing for the most part. So given that its a significant part of Australia, I guess I can say that Covid didn't run rampant (a scientific term?) throughout Australia.
Now, not that you asked, vaccines that I received were targetted to a different strain to the one that was circulating at the time. I think its a reasonable understanding that it meant that my body was primed against "Covid" but not the exact strain. It had a head start.
My symptoms were almost non-existent when I got Covid, If it weren't for the testing I wouldn't have known I had it and only did tests because a close contact reported they had Covid. I have no way of knowing if I would have gotten it worse if I had not been vaccinated.
I have had other people telling me they had a terrible couple of days with Covid even though they were vaxxed. They were vaccinated, but not as many or as early as myself. Had this had an effect? Again I have no way of knowing.
I don't know any unvaccinated people that have volunteered they had Covid. I think you can understand that I think these people would be very quiet about it if they had Covid and suffered badly. For people vocal about not being vaccinated I think they would also be vocal if they caught Covid and got almost nothing. Which proves nothing.
Do vaccines generally work? Yes.
Have we reached a point where most people can catch Covid and be relatively okay? Yes, I think so.
Did Pfizer say that their vaccine did not prevent transmission? No.
Select to expand quoteFlying Dutchman said..D3 said..
Have a read of that, because I'm not able to make a YouTube or tictok of it for you
Who cares, you're about to pay OK's compensation.
So why bring it up? It seems you were trying to make FN reconsider the safety of these vaccines by bringing up the scary numbers of "1000s of adverse reactions listed in the 9 pages'.
I'm pointing this out as it looks like blatant misrepresentation of facts for the purpose of fear mongering.
But maybe you didn't know what the document actually contained, in which case it's just another one of your many posts where you have taken someone elses claims blatant misrepresentation of facts for purpose of fear mongering at face value without verifying them yourself.
As someone who claims to be a recognisable face of these discussions, surely you can see that these sorts posts don't help your credibility?
And then to claim that you don't care that your post was inaccurate at best, or that it could be read as deliberately misleading?
What am I to make of that?
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Oooohhh, a twitter post without any explanation. That's sure to be good.
If I did that and posted stuff without an explanation I would accept it if people called me a mindless cretin.
