flowstate said..

MidAtlanticFoil said..
After my first (overpowered) session with the 4.3M, I've been brainstorming around a good reverse harness hook solution for the S3 and the D handle. Hooking in at the shaft side of the handle means full on power, while hooking in to the front of the handle means full on depower.


I've yet to try this, but I used a 12" or so piece of dyneema and a clove hitch and a random hitch knot to make this small line that bridges the gap of the handle. I'm hoping that this makes the perfect catchers mitt for the hook to reside.

I almost always ride one handed, unless I'm really focusing on most efficient upwind angle.



Only downside I see is though can't fully put your hand inside the handle. That's a good thing in my opinion. In Jeremy's vid above, he showed one technique of putting your hand up inside the handle, but that could be pretty dangerous in a wipeout and could easily lead to a broken hand due to the lever moment of something (board/knee) hitting the end of the bar.

Defs a sign its time to regress to a good ol single point low profile stiff harness line mate. muscle memory be damned

You’ve got a great point! I may end up there once I filter out my V2s, but it’s so nice to have a clean bar and not need to worry about a harness line for each PW.


Based on Greg’s harness line, the center of pull is just on the inside of the d handle base. If I had two of my hooks with a small spacer between them to make a mini claw, it could straddle the bar and hook in nicely. Brainstorming continues 😂

foilthegreats said..
Ozone's work great:

So in the event yr caught out in 25 knots with yr 5.3, theres no way to move the harness line further forward, you just pull hard on end of the bar for max depower?

S3 5.3m low end report. Low end is decent and you can definitely pump it up. The challenge is keeping tips off the water as this super lightweight material will stick to the water and take the Parawing down. Also a challenge to jibe in light wind but should get that sorted out as big Parawing technique improves. I am used to my Ka'a 4.2m as my light wind Parawing and this is a totally different beast. Line length is going to take some getting used too. Makes stow/relaunch difficult in light conditions. I would only recommend this to seasoned riders looking for a large Parawing. I think it would be difficult to learn on.
Was out in 8-14 kts with my KT 7' 19" 100L and AFS E1600 rider 85kg.

Also seems to have a pretty hard cutoff after reaching the limit of the high end as you can only depower so much.

All other aspects are pretty amazing as other reports have suggested.

I tried out my 4.3M again today in honking 20-30MPH winds with my D Handle Spreader Line with my Stringfellow hook and it worked great! I was able to fly comfortably one handed on my heelside tack. Toeside was a bit slower and more cautious (13-15mph vs 9-10 mph). Really making me consider taking a couple days to learn switch stance.

I also can't wait to fly the wing in it's sweet spot lol.

Those that have ridden the S3 curious to hear if you were able to comfortably find a one handed riding position/grip. Sounds like if the handle continued the sweet spot would be in the middle of the D.

Full hand grip behind the handle sounds like too much backline tension for powered riding. Full hand on the outside D handle sounds like full depower and you need to use your fingers on the bar to power up.
Is riding with your hand inside the D Handle the comfortable one handed position or is it still providing a little to much rear line tension?

also curious about the low end of the S3 compared to what I know F-one Quest or Frigate

BWalnut said..

MidAtlanticFoil said..

CFL Foiler said..
Those that have ridden the S3 curious to hear if you were able to comfortably find a one handed riding position/grip. Sounds like if the handle continued the sweet spot would be in the middle of the D.

Full hand grip behind the handle sounds like too much backline tension for powered riding. Full hand on the outside D handle sounds like full depower and you need to use your fingers on the bar to power up.
Is riding with your hand inside the D Handle the comfortable one handed position or is it still providing a little to much rear line tension?

I can say that riding overpowered with one hand is not really doable with the S3 (without a harness). Under the sweet spot conditions, maybe riding with your hand just up against the D may be perfect. Just haven't had the chance to try yet.

Hooked in, 25-30 knots with the 3.4m was a dream. I was riding one handed pointing at friends, goofing off, it was STABLE and easy to ignore.

Definitely get how hooked in riding will not be an issue. Just concerned about the comfort of unhooked one handed riding as that's how I ride most of my dw sessions. Only go two handed on upwind legs and hardly ever hook in

Frankieboy said..
also curious about the low end of the S3 compared to what I know F-one Quest or Frigate

I’ve been riding the s3 5.3/4.2/3.4 for about week now, in all conditions from underpowered to overpowered. Re low end for me that’s right now 14-16mph. I’m 190lbs and ride a KT SK2 83L (custom) and Nomad 830 foil (midaspect wavefoil). What impressed me most for getting up with the s3 is that it sits very far forward in the window and pulls forward, allowing me to get up going across the wind and not pointing downwind like all other PWs. The difference this makes cannot be overstated. I am barely pumping my board (maybe 3-4 times), then pump the wing moderately 2-3 times and I’m flying. This is in underpowered conditions. I’m pretty sure that a skilled rider on a floaty board and a larger foil can shave at least 2mph from my numbers.
getting the wing off the water was no issue for me as long as it’s blowing at least 7-10mph. Below that the s3 just doesn’t want to fly properly (we are talking 5mph). Conversely when I am nicely powered (16-18mph on 5.3, 20-22 on 4.2) the s3 literally pulls me on foil without pumping. After the pumping orgies w other parawings this still amazes me every single time. I’ve ridden all new parawings (Vayu, Dflow, PRv2, PowerPack, Quest, Stash v2) and sold all my existing PWs and cancelled PRv2 orders. The BRM is plain amazing.

Got the 20cm and it feels great! So small and still easy to get in and out. Highly recommend!

Holoholo said..
Any input from those who have been on S3 regarding the ease of collapse- meaning: line tension on the collapse at top half of its range, tendency to spin, ease to identify/grab the right lines as well as how it accordians? The 2 standout PWs Ive tried- Quest, Powerpack have had center 4 lines unite to a distinct single line. Seeing the spread on the A lines, wondering if any of the above is an issue?

It was annoying the day I tried it. But, the collapse is really clean and easy when you grab almost any combination of the A-Lines. I kept trying to grab all 4 and it was a struggle. When I just started randomly grabbing lines and stowing it fast I was happy.

BWalnut said..

Holoholo said..
Any input from those who have been on S3 regarding the ease of collapse- meaning: line tension on the collapse at top half of its range, tendency to spin, ease to identify/grab the right lines as well as how it accordians? The 2 standout PWs Ive tried- Quest, Powerpack have had center 4 lines unite to a distinct single line. Seeing the spread on the A lines, wondering if any of the above is an issue?

It was annoying the day I tried it. But, the collapse is really clean and easy when you grab almost any combination of the A-Lines. I kept trying to grab all 4 and it was a struggle. When I just started randomly grabbing lines and stowing it fast I was happy.

Thanks for that- the exact technique can always be sorted with reps... good to know on day 1, it at the least likes to collapse easy enough which is a good sign.

BWalnut said..
Who's going to be the first person to try the S3 on a standard bar and not on the D handle?

Greg offers a shovel to straight bar conversion kit.


boardridingmaui.com/products/carbon-bar-ii

foilthegreats said..
If you're interested in watching the 5.3m fly:

You were cooking upwind in those gusts!

foilthegreats said..

MidAtlanticFoil said..

foilthegreats said..
If you're interested in watching the 5.3m fly:

You were cooking upwind in those gusts!

Ya, rips upwind and pretty comfortable in gusty conditions.

what wind conditions was it?