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OceanBlue64
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20 Oct 2008 5:46pm
Gestalt said...

that one of the goldy justifies to me not going in the surf.

the fish run at this time of year and the sharks follow. time to be cautious for a few weeks.

growing up near bribie in qld there were 3-4 a year caught in the nets out from the surf beach. i've also seen them off fraser island.




Dont you guys sail Wellington Point, Victoria Pt etc? I grew up in Redland Bay and also owned a house in Thorneside. I spent 15 years fishing any where from Mud Island, Lota Creek, down past Peel etc. I wouldnt be worried about the GW in that area... it would be the tiger sharks and hammerheads that would worry me. We used to catch heaps and lost plenty of gear chasing them. One trip we saw a huge tiger shark come clean out of the water after a school of mullet. Was longer than our 5m tinny. But then this was 20 years ago. Maybe things have changed... maybe.....
Wet Willy
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20 Oct 2008 5:49pm
Thanks for the info, Leech!

According to that website, the last recorded fatal shark attack in Singapore was in 1954!!!!

That was also probably the last time we had a really windy day...
aus301
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20 Oct 2008 4:55pm
I agree with MD, the bull sharks in the bay worry me lots more than anything in the ocean. Watch any show on sharks and they will always say that bull sharks are the most dangerous of the lot, and it is usually followed by some cross to an expert telling all about how the Brisbane river is one of the areas that scientists usually go to observe bull sharks as it is a perfect breeding ground for them and there are lots of them.
evlPanda
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20 Oct 2008 6:41pm
md74 said...

that pic is at my local beach, but here is the thing, I was more spooked in the muddy dark water up at Shearwater, its a pretty darn big area to fall off in the ocean and the odds of seeing a shark are quite slim, just get those gybes right is the best solution, and make the water starts super snappy if you cant, but, lets look at how many kiters are in the miami to the spit stretch of the goldy, dangling in the water for a lot longer than us, never heard of anything suss happening.


Ah, but the kiters are dangling in the water even more at Shearwater every weekend than they do in the ocean.

... but now we are also coming into bull shark mating season, and you never hear of anyone fending off a bull shark. Strangely you do hear of people fending off great whites.

md74
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20 Oct 2008 6:37pm
I guess they also didnt really mention that the shark was caught, by means of a probably half a cow hanging off a big bloody hook, so Im never going windsurfing in the ocean with cattle offle on me thats for sure!

There are days that feel "sharky" especially more so when surfing, best thing is use your primal fear, if in doubt get out.

You have to die of something, what a cool story for your grandkids to tell! My pop got eaten by a shark! Sounds better than dieing in a nursing home to me.

Anyway it is there home, we are just visitors
poor relative
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20 Oct 2008 4:42pm
I feel very sad seeing such a graceful predator as the GWS laying on the beach like that, very sad.
Gestalt
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20 Oct 2008 7:19pm
no arguments there oceanblue.

both Wello and VP are loaded with tigers and whalers.

At VP one of the guys had a baby launch itself up onto the speed strip while he was standing there. there was also once where dozens of them were seen by all of us cruising up and down while we sailed around. i think about 15 in total nebbian saw a monster about 10meters of the shore at thomsons beach cruising towards the creek.

the local fisherman also tell me of the tiger that lives at thompsons beach.

all i can say is that the only place i don't stand in the water is VP. i have also managed a few clew first water starts there due to fear. especially after rain.

lota creek is nicknamed shark alley by the locals, personally i avoid king island etc.

OceanBlue64 said...

Gestalt said...

that one of the goldy justifies to me not going in the surf.

the fish run at this time of year and the sharks follow. time to be cautious for a few weeks.

growing up near bribie in qld there were 3-4 a year caught in the nets out from the surf beach. i've also seen them off fraser island.




Dont you guys sail Wellington Point, Victoria Pt etc? I grew up in Redland Bay and also owned a house in Thorneside. I spent 15 years fishing any where from Mud Island, Lota Creek, down past Peel etc. I wouldnt be worried about the GW in that area... it would be the tiger sharks and hammerheads that would worry me. We used to catch heaps and lost plenty of gear chasing them. One trip we saw a huge tiger shark come clean out of the water after a school of mullet. Was longer than our 5m tinny. But then this was 20 years ago. Maybe things have changed... maybe.....


Befree001
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20 Oct 2008 7:31pm
Thanks Justin, well I guess that bit of info just rules out VP for re-learning how to windsurf, not that I'd be much of a meal anyway
nebbian
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20 Oct 2008 5:32pm
Gestalt said...

nebbian saw a monster about 10meters of the shore at thomsons beach cruising towards the creek.


Amazing how the chinese whispers exaggerate the size as the years go by
OceanBlue64
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20 Oct 2008 8:33pm
Gestalt said...


lota creek is nicknamed shark alley by the locals, personally i avoid king island etc.




We used to swim across Lota creek all the time to set crab pots lol.

I think you have to be pretty unlucky to be bitten by a shark. I used to spear fish quite a bit before I moved down here and quite often had sharks interested in my catch. Even had a few reefies steal fish from the end of the spear.
When you see them swim underwater you can see how graceful and beautiful they are.
I think all you can do is lessen the odds of being taken by doing things like not being in the water at dawn and dusk, not swimming in the mouth of a river on an incoming tide etc. Common sense really.
Wet Willy
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20 Oct 2008 8:39pm
Shearwater is definitely spooky, especially if you're in the water for too long...

True, there's been no reports of any problems but it's gonna happen sooner or later.

One thing, sharks are supposed to smell fear, so the more paranoia we generate in this forum, the more susceptible we make ourselves.

Maybe.
CJW
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20 Oct 2008 8:48pm
It does crop up in the back of your mind but tbh I don't let it get to me. I figure there are that many surfers sitting around, feet dangling off their board that it's a far greater chance that they get taken than me. Sometimes however I think it pays to call it a day.

Earlier this year I was sailing around off the beach on my big gear on a lighter day and over a period of about 30min I saw 5 of what I took to be hammer heads. As soon as I saw the first one I jybed and headed at about mach 40 for the beach. Whilst heading for the beach I almost ran over another one at about 25kts and that had me freaking out. I got closer to shore though and felt a bit safer, kept sailing just didn't venture out any further. I saw another 3, these ones a fair bit closer to shore so I called it a day. There were probably 20+ surfers in the water at the time, oblivious. I didn't say anything but did mention to the life guard that I thought I saw a few sharks and to keep a look out.

That remains the only time in about 5 years of wave sailing that i've ever seen a shark, or 5! I did initially think dolphin but you see those a fair bit and there is just a way that sharks' cruise that is distinctive. Not to mention dorsal fin shape and the tip of the tail breaking the surface. That's why I thought hammer head, due to the dorsal fin shape and the fact that the hammer has quite a tall tail that basically sticks out if the dorsal fin is.
pedro e
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20 Oct 2008 10:08pm
There is a theory that the overfishing of the oceans and resulting virtual collapse of most of the worlds major fishing areas is leading the top predators of the oceans, sharks, to be more likely to seek alternative food sources - ie strange creatures in rubber suits.

I surf and windsurf and when there is at least one other person out I relax a lot more and don't usually think about sharks - my odds of being chewed are at least 50% less. But if the second last person surfing heads in, then I will follow in quick smart as my mind soon turns to seeing lurking shadows in the water.
dism
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20 Oct 2008 10:22pm
poor relative said...

I feel very sad seeing such a graceful predator as the GWS laying on the beach like that, very sad.


I agree, why did we need to kill it just because it swam near a beach?

Pedro e - that is true.

And it is all a balance, we take too many fish out of certain areas and the top predators go looking for alternative food sources (as you said).

But if we then kill all those top predators whilst they are looking for feeds then the system becomes unbalanced.

And things like rays, fish and other ecosystem functions that the sharks are doing are lost.

This leads to a shut down of the ecosystem by overpopulations of some organisms taking all the foodsources and eating themselves to starvation (large expansions of a species will lead to resource depletion of its foodsource).

Classic lynx/snowshow hare interaction

So if we wanna keep a nice marine environment with fish and all that, we need sharks.

So next time you go for a sail or a surf, say thanks to those sharks and stay away if its a bad time/area but have a little respect for them, they can't just go down to Macca's and pick up a feed when everyone is taking there staple foods

/rant
Retzy
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20 Oct 2008 10:45pm
www.mesa.edu.au/seaweek2005/pdf_senior/is12.pdf

Pretty comprehensive & aus relevant
dism
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20 Oct 2008 10:54pm
Good find Retzy

" In the last 50 years,
there have been only 61 human fatalities (an average of 1.22
per year) in Australian waters from shark attack. Some years
there are none, other years there have been up to three in a
year, but the average remains around one per year. Yet each
year hundred thousands of swimmer-days take place on our
beaches, harbours and rivers and the number is increasing with
both increasing population and tourism. "

Imagine if there was only 61 road deaths in 50 years, and then imagine if the media beat it up into a story...
Gestalt
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21 Oct 2008 1:49pm
nebbian said...

Gestalt said...

nebbian saw a monster about 10meters of the shore at thomsons beach cruising towards the creek.


Amazing how the chinese whispers exaggerate the size as the years go by


has it been that long.

ok. to quote you i think you said to me you saw a big fin.

considering that day the water was dark brown and all up about 15 fins were seen i reckon there was a lot of noahs around.

how big do you reckon the fin was you saw? 30cm??
Gestalt
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21 Oct 2008 1:51pm
Befree001 said...

Thanks Justin, well I guess that bit of info just rules out VP for re-learning how to windsurf, not that I'd be much of a meal anyway


nah, it's only really the bank where everyone sees the sharks.

i suggested VP to you because at high tide you can sail in 1m deep water over a large area.

it's probably the best place in brisbane to get the shortboard skills going.

i wouldn't worry about the noahs in the shallows.
evlPanda
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21 Oct 2008 4:23pm
Gestalt said...
ok. to quote you i think you said to me you saw a big fin.

considering that day the water was dark brown and all up about 15 fins were seen i reckon there was a lot of noahs around.

how big do you reckon the fin was you saw? 30cm??


I'll take my chances at Mermaid Beach with the odd lone Great White.
md74
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21 Oct 2008 4:29pm
mmmm, just had a session at mermaid beach, mind over matter, fear won today, was weird, nobody on the beach at all, did about 10 runs out, fell a few times, floundered around with sail on wrong side etc to waterstart, then when I saw 2 whales breach only a few hundred metres offshore, and with no company whatsoever, with the exception of a few kiters up the beach at Kurrawa, I opted to get out and pack up, whimp!

It was truly one of the best arvos for windsurfing though! great wind, step on and powered up, hitting the ramps out the back was sweet!
Gonewindsurfing247
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21 Oct 2008 3:00pm


rick77
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21 Oct 2008 6:28pm

here is a link to the GSAF Incident Log in a Microsoft Excel file

www.sharkattackfile.net/incidentlog.htm

More than 100 years of data!
evlPanda
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21 Oct 2008 7:37pm
In Googley Maps:

www.google.com:443/maps?q=http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/download.php?Number%3D730705&t=k&om=1

Red ones are fatal.

Hey this is really fun isn't it?
Gestalt
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21 Oct 2008 6:40pm
touche panda man great minds and all
Wet Willy
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21 Oct 2008 8:47pm
md74 said...

mmmm, just had a session at mermaid beach, mind over matter, fear won today, was weird, nobody on the beach at all, did about 10 runs out, fell a few times, floundered around with sail on wrong side etc to waterstart, then when I saw 2 whales breach only a few hundred metres offshore, and with no company whatsoever, with the exception of a few kiters up the beach at Kurrawa, I opted to get out and pack up, whimp!

It was truly one of the best arvos for windsurfing though! great wind, step on and powered up, hitting the ramps out the back was sweet!


I know what you mean...I was sailing there around this time last year. I remember one day, the wind was great, full power from the word go, but it was cold and bleak; nobody around, kind of spooky. I saw a killer whale breach less than 100m in front of me - and I was 1km out. I immediately gybed and fell off, then uphauled in a state of panic, and as I headed back I saw FOUR fins heading towards me -- I figured out pretty quick that they were porpoises or dolphins, but not before almost $h!tt!ng my pants...

I HATE SHARK PARANOIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wormy
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21 Oct 2008 9:05pm
C'mon guys, HTFU. and just get on with it. Bities are everywhere, your own brain is the only thing to fear, so don't let it fk you over.
whyner
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21 Oct 2008 10:13pm
Sharks schmarks.

Once I got bitten and lost a leg. Didin't stop me from sailing for another 2 hours. Landed about 20 perfect one footed backies and 30 one footed forwards.
md74
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21 Oct 2008 9:15pm
geez sorry lads, forgot about what uncle chop chop would say, thanks!
aus301
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21 Oct 2008 10:44pm
More chance of becoming a grease spot on a road somewhere on the way to the beach than getting eaten while you are there.
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