Select to expand quotekato said..
Sorry Chris, did the club thing. Put a few hrs and lots of my $ into qualifications. Even became President but maybe it's time to let this horse die. Good luck to all who wish to follow this but having our sport split into 2 is DUMB
Who is talking about splitting the sport? When I first got involved in youth training, for example, the written plan specifically said that we should encourage kids to get into all areas of the sport.
The point is that slinging **** at people just because they don't do what you do is rubbish. There's plenty of good reasons why the people you mention did not sail "for fun". Partly it's because plenty of yachties, for example, race twice a week and at least one of those races is normally a twilight "race" which is basically a booze cruise in company a lot of the time. And they often race because it's an easy way to get everyone together at the same time, for a sail and a bunch of beers afterwards.
Calling such people or their way of sailing "pathetic" is just weird. Plenty of us don't care about the sailing you seem to love but I've never heard any us us insult or those who love it.
You don't grow a sport by throwing **** at anyone who doesn't share your own taste.
Select to expand quoteMitch Pearson said..RichardG said..AUS 814 said..RichardG said..
Well done Kiran Badloe of the Netherlands ! Matt Wearn of WA/Australia well done too great effort for Gold in the Laser class such a strong class in Australia and coached by Michael Blackburn also coach of Tom Slingsby and Tom Burton completing the hatrick of gold. This speaks volumes...the Laser designed in 1960s...[query why is Windsurfing always changing Olympic gear to suit fashion probably the worst enemy of development of classes-windsurfing has made its bed of nails...well done]. Another gold on the way in 470 men's [1963 design] too. Behind these great sailors are great coaches and good fleets in their countries/regions and loads of volunteers in clubs doing starts, rescues and providing assistance in race management, shore canteens, bar, officers and maintenance. Well done to them too. Kiran shown below on RSX and Windsurfer Class. Matt Wearn shown below being carried aloft by team members in victory celebrations.
Don't think we have huge 470 fleets is Aus?
I never said that as a fact. In the 2017 470 Nationals there were 10 boats which is 10 more than the RSX 2017 Nationals...just guessing on the latter of course but let me know the status of RSX Nationals as I have never seen an RSX sailing in WA. 470 is more popular than RSX. That said Laser is really popular and was so before it became an Olympic class. Main point above is that gear does not have to be the latest in the Olympics and that there are many volunteers working behind the scenes in clubs for sailing, training and development and ultimately Olympic success.
Wasn't the rsx worlds in Perth in 2011?
Yes it was but I did not see the racing-in truth I believe it was held off Fremantle.
91 competitors a few Aussies competed including WA's Tim Gourlay now world lightweight Windsurfer Class champion from 2019.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_ISAF_Sailing_World_Championships_-_Men%27s_RS:X
Select to expand quoteChris 249 said..kato said..
Sorry Chris, did the club thing. Put a few hrs and lots of my $ into qualifications. Even became President but maybe it's time to let this horse die. Good luck to all who wish to follow this but having our sport split into 2 is DUMB
Who is talking about splitting the sport? When I first got involved in youth training, for example, the written plan specifically said that we should encourage kids to get into all areas of the sport.
The point is that slinging **** at people just because they don't do what you do is rubbish. There's plenty of good reasons why the people you mention did not sail "for fun". Partly it's because plenty of yachties, for example, race twice a week and at least one of those races is normally a twilight "race" which is basically a booze cruise in company a lot of the time. And they often race because it's an easy way to get everyone together at the same time, for a sail and a bunch of beers afterwards.
Calling such people or their way of sailing "pathetic" is just weird. Plenty of us don't care about the sailing you seem to love but I've never heard any us us insult or those who love it.
You don't grow a sport by throwing **** at anyone who doesn't share your own taste.
WOW, grumpy bugger.
Currently YA controls triangle racing and the Olympics
WA controls slalom, wave, speed, freestyle or am I wrong
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No, the grumpy bugger is the one uses words like "pathetic" to describe the way other sailors get their fun.
No, YA does NOT control triangle racing. The sailors control most of it - Raceboard, Techno, LT, and open foiling.
"YA" does not exist anymore it is Australian Sailing (AS) and the umbrella class association, Australian Windsurfing Association (AWA).
AWA is an affiliated class association of AS and for all of windsurfing which is itself a fiction as there are many classes in AWA, not sure if that is optimal but it is all windsurfing has at the top, not sure what AWA does actually in truth and fact other than generate sail numbers and procure insurance.
As Chris says the engine room is at sailor and class level in states and in clubs etc. People make things happen not these organisations.
Check out RRS with AS prescriptions too: cdn.revolutionise.com.au/site/hrya1mz0ijmfcshb.pdf
Rules for Slalom, Expression (including Wave and Freestyle) and Speed disciplines are not included in the above. These are available at the World Sailing website.
There are also special rules for slalom:www.sailing.org/documents/racingrules/29031.php
Some special rules for wingfoiling:www.sailing.org/documents/racingrules/experimental-rules.php
WS consolidated windsurfing RRS without AS prescriptions: www.sailing.org/documents/racingrules/29031.php
Select to expand quotenormster said..
How much is IQ foil complete ? did i see $15000 ?
Approximately yes. However there are enough sets in Aus now that equipment is starting to come up second hand.
An iQFoil is over five times the cost of a Windsurfer LT. That makes it hard to justify to many but not all. There will be an elite small bunch who buy them. Can't see it being as popular as the Laser or the Windsurfer LT.
Select to expand quoteMitch Pearson said..normster said..
How much is IQ foil complete ? did i see $15000 ?
Approximately yes. However there are enough sets in Aus now that equipment is starting to come up second hand.
What do you get for the money?
Select to expand quoteJohn340 said..Mitch Pearson said..normster said..
How much is IQ foil complete ? did i see $15000 ?
Approximately yes. However there are enough sets in Aus now that equipment is starting to come up second hand.
What do you get for the money?
Is this a trick question?
iqfoil.star-board.com/
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An iQFoil is over five times the cost of a Windsurfer LT. That makes it hard to justify to many but not all. There will be an elite small bunch who buy them. Can't see it being as popular as the Laser or the Windsurfer LT.
A fully pimped out Laser is pretty close to $15000 so I guess people are willing to pay that amount. Still relatively cheap compared to the other olympic classes
Select to expand quoteMitch Pearson said..John340 said..Mitch Pearson said..normster said..
How much is IQ foil complete ? did i see $15000 ?
Approximately yes. However there are enough sets in Aus now that equipment is starting to come up second hand.
What do you get for the money?
Is this a trick question?
iqfoil.star-board.com/
No trick question.
I've previously been on the web site.
I am just curious of what is included in the $15K package, eg board, foil mast, fuselage, front wings, sail mast, boom, sail, extension, mast base, adjustable outhaul, harness lines etc? Is it a complete sail away package?
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An iQFoil is over five times the cost of a Windsurfer LT. That makes it hard to justify to many but not all. There will be an elite small bunch who buy them. Can't see it being as popular as the Laser or the Windsurfer LT.
Exactly, its like a Camaro compared to a Corolla
Select to expand quoteAUS 814 said..RichardG said..
An iQFoil is over five times the cost of a Windsurfer LT. That makes it hard to justify to many but not all. There will be an elite small bunch who buy them. Can't see it being as popular as the Laser or the Windsurfer LT.
A fully pimped out Laser is pretty close to $15000 so I guess people are willing to pay that amount. Still relatively cheap compared to the other olympic classes
www.monkeyfist.com.au/p/8951627/laser-complete-full-rig.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIxNS36eKi8gIV8ZlmAh1O3wT7EAYYASABEgKQoPD_BwE
Notice how the adverts for the iQFoil are hard to find ,in fact I haven't found a new one in WA for sale with full retail price...suggest the supply is tight and prices are going up.
New Laser only $10K.
Secondhand only around $2K or even less...:www.gumtree.com.au/s-laser+dinghy/k0r500
Select to expand quoteAUS 814 said..RichardG said..
An iQFoil is over five times the cost of a Windsurfer LT. That makes it hard to justify to many but not all. There will be an elite small bunch who buy them. Can't see it being as popular as the Laser or the Windsurfer LT.
A fully pimped out Laser is pretty close to $15000 so I guess people are willing to pay that amount. Still relatively cheap compared to the other olympic classes
It is pretty cheap compared to most other Olympic classes, but it's hard to compare it to a Laser. For one, only a small proportion of active Laser racers buy new gear. There's lots of boats that are 25 years old in club fleets and in recent years, only about 2000 new boats have been launched per annum in a class of over 200,000 boats built. The class relies for its value on the fact that those $2-3K boats Richard linked to above are perfectly good for the average club racer.
When you buy a new Laser, you're normally buying something you can race in a good local club fleet (or a selection of local club fleets) and in a big championship fleet, and then sell for about 85% of its original cost at the end of the year. That's a different proposition to buying into a typical Olympic class.
Launching a class with grass roots popularity like the Laser is incredibly hard these days. The RSX, even when new, was often only selling about 300-600 boards per year worldwide. FW claimed about 1000 p.a. in the mid 2000s. The 29er is very successful, but annual sales were down to about 100 before Covid.
Open-class foiling is big (which is great) but how it will work with the IQFoil and whether it will get enough numbers to be anything like comparable to a Laser, in terms of bang for the buck for the typical sailor, will be interesting to see. The prospect of racing against the Olympians often drives people away from a class, not towards it.
It'd be great if the IQFoil got good numbers. If they really emphasised youth, Masters and "Corinthians" (ie non-sponsored non-squad sailors with full time jobs) they may get critical mass, and that would be fun.
Select to expand quoteChris 249 said..AUS 814 said..RichardG said..
An iQFoil is over five times the cost of a Windsurfer LT. That makes it hard to justify to many but not all. There will be an elite small bunch who buy them. Can't see it being as popular as the Laser or the Windsurfer LT.
A fully pimped out Laser is pretty close to $15000 so I guess people are willing to pay that amount. Still relatively cheap compared to the other olympic classes
It'd be great if the IQFoil got good numbers. If they really emphasised youth, Masters and "Corinthians" (ie non-sponsored non-squad sailors with full time jobs) they may get critical mass, and that would be fun.
"Corinthians" don't you mean Battlers
www.facebook.com/battlersdivision
Great to see a really positive post from above as opposed to your not doing enough 
One good mate is a keen (formlery know as laser) IICA sailor is disappointed that the class has changed sail and top section of mast which without you aren't competitive.
I really think that the IQ Foil class will be competitive among open class with the top sailors bringing up the level.
3 years to Paris, bring on more than 8 knots so they have great racing 
We only get negative when people tell OTHER people to do more volunteer work, or when they sling crap at other forms of sailing. :-)
When people post negative stuff about how other people should do more, you can understand if some of us react.
The Laser just went to new gear to keep replacement costs down, which is significant. Not many people really need a new Laser sail or top section to be competitive; your gear is only the problem if you're already top 10 or so nationally (IMHO, speaking as someone who was NSW champ when I was serious in the class). So the arrival of the new gear hasn't really changed the situation, which is that the Laser class has huge local fleets and therefore can't really be compared to the IQFoil.
From experience with other classes, the problem may not be that the Olympians won't be fast enough for other foilers, but that they will be too fast. So, out of interest, how quick is it compared to Open class gear?
iqfoilclass.org/worlds2021/entry-list/?utm_source=seabreeze.com.au
248 entries at the Olympic class world championship.
Fastest growing class?
Select to expand quotejusavina said..iqfoilclass.org/worlds2021/entry-list/?utm_source=seabreeze.com.au
248 entries at the Olympic class world championship.
Fastest growing class?
Fastest growing Olympic class at the minute now quite likely to be so in terms of rate of growth since selection, one would of course have to compare to other new Olympic classes eg Kiteboard foiling etc.
Fastest growing class ? Not sure. Of course on the other hand, I would be surprised if the growth rate or indeed overall numbers of iQFoil exceed the Windsurfer Class but I guess one asserting it would need to prove the matter incontrovertibly.
Congratulations on iQFoil beating the RSX when compared to 2006. A similar or slightly better performance by iQFoil here to the first World championship for the RSX Class in 2006. A chap by the name of Mr Savina attended that I believe with a great performance in Gold Fleet. At that RSX regatta there there were 164 male competitors and 77 women (gold and silver fleets), in total 241 so not a bad effort by iQFoil to exceed that first RSX regatta by 7 sailors.
I hope iQFoil grows at the same rate in Australia. How many in Australia in total now ?
Select to expand quoteRichardG said..jusavina said..iqfoilclass.org/worlds2021/entry-list/?utm_source=seabreeze.com.au
248 entries at the Olympic class world championship.
Fastest growing class?
Fastest growing Olympic class at the minute now quite likely to be so in terms of rate of growth since selection, one would of course have to compare to other new Olympic classes eg Kiteboard foiling etc.
Fastest growing class ? Not sure. Of course on the other hand, I would be surprised if the growth rate or indeed overall numbers of iQFoil exceed the Windsurfer Class but I guess one asserting it would need to prove the matter incontrovertibly.
Congratulations on iQFoil beating the RSX when compared to 2006. A similar or slightly better performance by iQFoil here to the first World championship for the RSX Class in 2006. A chap by the name of Mr Savina attended that I believe with a great performance in Gold Fleet. At that RSX regatta there there were 164 male competitors and 77 women (gold and silver fleets), in total 241 so not a bad effort by iQFoil to exceed that first RSX regatta by 7 sailors.
I hope iQFoil grows at the same rate in Australia. How many in Australia in total now ?
I wouldn't call it a great performance though
Select to expand quotejusavina said..
iqfoilclass.org/worlds2021/entry-list/?utm_source=seabreeze.com.au
248 entries at the Olympic class world championship.
Fastest growing class?
Great to see. The website shows 202 to me, but that's still very good numbers. Whether it's the fastest-growing overall won't be known until they start releasing reliable production numbers and class activity.
Select to expand quoteChris 249 said..jusavina said..
iqfoilclass.org/worlds2021/entry-list/?utm_source=seabreeze.com.au
248 entries at the Olympic class world championship.
Fastest growing class?
Great to see. The website shows 202 to me, but that's still very good numbers. Whether it's the fastest-growing overall won't be known until they start releasing reliable production numbers and class activity.
Yes I believe they've deleted all those who had pre registered but not paid yet.
There was still Steve Allen on the list a few days ago but I believe he is still recovering from a hip surgery (from what I saw on his social media).
It's a shame Kiwis or Aussies were not able to go this year for obvious reasons.
Select to expand quotejusavina said..RichardG said..jusavina said..iqfoilclass.org/worlds2021/entry-list/?utm_source=seabreeze.com.au
248 entries at the Olympic class world championship.
Fastest growing class?
Fastest growing Olympic class at the minute now quite likely to be so in terms of rate of growth since selection, one would of course have to compare to other new Olympic classes eg Kiteboard foiling etc.
Fastest growing class ? Not sure. Of course on the other hand, I would be surprised if the growth rate or indeed overall numbers of iQFoil exceed the Windsurfer Class but I guess one asserting it would need to prove the matter incontrovertibly.
Congratulations on iQFoil beating the RSX when compared to 2006. A similar or slightly better performance by iQFoil here to the first World championship for the RSX Class in 2006. A chap by the name of Mr Savina attended that I believe with a great performance in Gold Fleet. At that RSX regatta there there were 164 male competitors and 77 women (gold and silver fleets), in total 241 so not a bad effort by iQFoil to exceed that first RSX regatta by 7 sailors.
I hope iQFoil grows at the same rate in Australia. How many in Australia in total now ?
I wouldn't call it a great performance though
Gold Fleet is a great achievement of itself so well done to you, don't be so hard on yourself. I note the entries for the first 2021 iQFoil Worlds being down to 202 mean the iQFoil did not meet or exceed but was less than the first 2006 RSX Worlds (241). Still a good entry size, so well done to iQFoil.
Don't forget there were also 275 kids at the IQ foil youth worlds last month.
Not bad a turnout for the first year and considering the covid situation where many weren't able to attend.
Select to expand quoteRichardG said..jusavina said..RichardG said..jusavina said..iqfoilclass.org/worlds2021/entry-list/?utm_source=seabreeze.com.au
248 entries at the Olympic class world championship.
Fastest growing class?
Fastest growing Olympic class at the minute now quite likely to be so in terms of rate of growth since selection, one would of course have to compare to other new Olympic classes eg Kiteboard foiling etc.
Fastest growing class ? Not sure. Of course on the other hand, I would be surprised if the growth rate or indeed overall numbers of iQFoil exceed the Windsurfer Class but I guess one asserting it would need to prove the matter incontrovertibly.
Congratulations on iQFoil beating the RSX when compared to 2006. A similar or slightly better performance by iQFoil here to the first World championship for the RSX Class in 2006. A chap by the name of Mr Savina attended that I believe with a great performance in Gold Fleet. At that RSX regatta there there were 164 male competitors and 77 women (gold and silver fleets), in total 241 so not a bad effort by iQFoil to exceed that first RSX regatta by 7 sailors.
I hope iQFoil grows at the same rate in Australia. How many in Australia in total now ?
I wouldn't call it a great performance though
Gold Fleet is a great achievement of itself so well done to you, don't be so hard on yourself. I note the entries for the first 2021 iQFoil Worlds being down to 202 mean the iQFoil did not meet or exceed but was less than the first 2006 RSX Worlds (241). Still a good entry size, so well done to iQFoil.
2006 worlds was not held during a pandemic.....
Select to expand quoteMitch Pearson said..RichardG said..jusavina said..RichardG said..jusavina said..iqfoilclass.org/worlds2021/entry-list/?utm_source=seabreeze.com.au
248 entries at the Olympic class world championship.
Fastest growing class?
Fastest growing Olympic class at the minute now quite likely to be so in terms of rate of growth since selection, one would of course have to compare to other new Olympic classes eg Kiteboard foiling etc.
Fastest growing class ? Not sure. Of course on the other hand, I would be surprised if the growth rate or indeed overall numbers of iQFoil exceed the Windsurfer Class but I guess one asserting it would need to prove the matter incontrovertibly.
Congratulations on iQFoil beating the RSX when compared to 2006. A similar or slightly better performance by iQFoil here to the first World championship for the RSX Class in 2006. A chap by the name of Mr Savina attended that I believe with a great performance in Gold Fleet. At that RSX regatta there there were 164 male competitors and 77 women (gold and silver fleets), in total 241 so not a bad effort by iQFoil to exceed that first RSX regatta by 7 sailors.
I hope iQFoil grows at the same rate in Australia. How many in Australia in total now ?
I wouldn't call it a great performance though
Gold Fleet is a great achievement of itself so well done to you, don't be so hard on yourself. I note the entries for the first 2021 iQFoil Worlds being down to 202 mean the iQFoil did not meet or exceed but was less than the first 2006 RSX Worlds (241). Still a good entry size, so well done to iQFoil.
2006 worlds was not held during a pandemic.....
Bingo.
Plus a bunch of people own IQFoil just for recreational sailing. Nobody did that with RSX.
No one's defending the RSX, are they? Even now, Neil Pryde himself is claiming that it stopped Olympic sailing from "just being about white sails". Of course, the Windglider had the first coloured sails in the Games while the Lechner CI rig, IMCO and 49er had sails that look pretty much like RSX sails, way before the RSX was born. It could be just another example of the RSX being over-hyped by NP.
The first RSX Youth Worlds had 95 competitors so the IQFoil's youth turnout is definitely good. The board's definitely more in turn with windsurfing than the RSX and IMCO were.
The pandemic doesn't seem to have significantly reduced the entries for the comparable youth/junior worlds in boats; there are some regattas that are up in numbers, because competing events have been cancelled.
So what's going to happen to the Techno fleets now, and is there going to be a battle for youth between the IQFoil and the Techno foil? By the way, does anyone know the Aussie price for the Techno foil?
