The biggest threat to Windsurfing is.........

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hardie
hardie
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28 Mar 2008 12:14pm
............. NINTENDO


Just read a really interesting article in the Jan/Feb edition of Windsurf, an interview with Neil Pryde, and I think what he has to say is insightful, as he has been involved in windsurfing since it's earliest days, and is alo highly invested in Kiting (He owns Cahbrina), Surfing and Yatching.

When asked about the future of windsurfing? This is what he had to say:

"I think windsurfing visually and athletically is still the most exciting sport today. Unfortunately it's a little out of step with the aspirations of young people today who, with all the computer games around want instant gratification. Windsurfing, for all the improvements we've made over the years, is still fairly complex. You've got to be athletic, have an understanding of wind and water conditions and understand the technology of rigs and boards, so there's a lot of stuff going on there. Now I maybe sound like an old guy preaching but kids today don't seem to have the patience to deal with this sort of stuff. I think our biggest competitor is Nintendo."

I think there's a lot of wisdom here. I also think that we as windsurfers are the custodians of our sport and need to do things to make it easier for kids/juniors to get into our great sport. I have my ideas, and am trialling things through the GPS team Challenge, but much more is needed (The Challenge is very limited in some ways it preaches to the converted), and I'd like to hear other peoples ideas?

Sailing Clubs?

I think one thing I might need to do is to join the local sailing club and introduce windsurfing as a sport???
stribo
stribo
QLD
1628 posts
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28 Mar 2008 1:36pm
I remember at high-school (yes i did go) Windsurfing was part of school sports.It was on a rotation with catamaran sailing,rockclimbing,gym and something else.....So you had a choice.The worst thing you can do is try and force a sport onto a kid..and it sorts out the ones who actualy want to do it.

I wonder if any schools would be interested in adding it to their list.
Have the perth windsurf hire/schools approched any schools??
bubs
bubs
SA
924 posts
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28 Mar 2008 2:16pm
Windsurfing defently is not the only sport affected by video games though. They really struggle for some sporting teams at my school now days. So many kids just cant throw and catch a ball at all really. I barely play our playstation but the amount guys at school talk about computer, game cube, x box, playstation games etc. just annoys me. Don't quite get the fasination with it. It's alright sometimes but not as a main part of your life. Guys at school are even starting to get banned by their parents from playing different games because they just don't leave their rooms and school work isn't getting done and what not.

Type "game addiction" into youtube and see the amount of stories there are and how sad it is lol.

Bubs

Edit: We have school camps all the way from year 4 to year 10 now, optional in yrar 11 and 12 i think. They go for 1 week except for year 9 which goes for 3 or 4 weeks now and their think of making it 5. I think thats to long personally becasue you just miss to much school and teachers couldnt get through the set tasks last year but 1 or 2 weeks would be fine. Anyway in year 10 this year we have options of rock climbing, white water rafting, cross country skiing, bush walking, cycling and surfing (which only happens if theres interest). At the moment i'm talking to the teacher who usually runs surfing to hopefully make it a windsurfing/surfing camp which would be awsome fun. Hopefully i'll be all good then after the surgery so i can go. Compuet games are a huge issue though i reckon.
TonyC
TonyC
WA
410 posts
WA, 410 posts
28 Mar 2008 1:17pm
Do any yacht clubs in Perth have windsurfing fleets, shortboards, old wallys, longboards or formula? The junior sections of clubs have been great for developing yachties and have excellent programs, coaching, camps and competitions. Is /has anything like this occuring for windsurfers?
nbr
nbr
QLD
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nbr nbr
QLD, 298 posts
28 Mar 2008 2:27pm
I don;t know the details but lots of sailing clubs in NZ ended up with Bic 293's .The numbers of young persons sailing over there is quite impressive.They manage to have club races,interschool regattas and national championships.Lots of these people will probably carry on sailing due to the fact they have been instructed professionally and they have learnt on good modern gear not some crap that has been picked up from a garage sale costing probably more than the gear was worth 20 years ago.[thats going a bit far but you get my point]The number of times I have seen some young person rock up to the beach with dad and an old wally,fibreglass mast and an old racing sail coupled with an old tie on boom.They might do an afternoon or two but the gear will soon be left in the garage with the idea that the sport is to hard to learn.But with the right gear these kids could be hooked and become addicted just like us.
Grasshopper
Grasshopper
NSW
58 posts
NSW, 58 posts
28 Mar 2008 3:33pm
Bring back the longboard.
sail anywind condition, anywhere, anytime.....
Get people on the water......school sport etc

watch the sport grow again.....
P.C_simpson
P.C_simpson
WA
1492 posts
WA, 1492 posts
28 Mar 2008 1:44pm
i used to teach school kids for school sport, it's how i got into teaching windsurfing, there are very few who actually do it to learn to sail, some are where there because it was close to there home, or to sun bake on the jetty or just because there friends wanted to do it. the ones that do want to learn stay on the water the whole time and progress over the term and can sail pretty good by the end of it, we closed our school as it ended up just being somewhere to send the kids to keep them out of trouble, if they even turned up, also to keep up to date with equipment was not very economical as not many people apart from schools where getting taught, and was costing more than we would make..
Daneli
Daneli
QLD
1538 posts
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28 Mar 2008 3:00pm
We have now banned Nintendo and Play station in our house. The kids really complained at first but now have got used to it. We had a PS2 over the christmas holidays and the kids hardly played with it. It is what they get used to.
clarkee
clarkee
WA
220 posts
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28 Mar 2008 2:17pm
Daneli said...

We have now banned Nintendo and Play station in our house. The kids really complained at first but now have got used to it. We had a PS2 over the christmas holidays and the kids hardly played with it. It is what they get used to.


Way to go start getting back to basics,if its a sunny day get the kids of there arse and doing something.Also i think money plays a big part if you are paying for footy and netball fees etc there aint much left to spend .
mkseven
mkseven
QLD
2315 posts
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28 Mar 2008 3:19pm
For once I think Neil is way off the mark. There is no one issue affecting numbers coming to the sport, and it's certainly not a new thing with numbers declining for the last 20 years odd. It is easy for parents to blame computer games for many things but often it's a result of bad parenting right from the start. If you do not get your kids out and active by the time they are 10, then they have no hope from then after as they begin to be heavily influenced by peers thereafter. Not too many kids don't enjoy being out and about, however if it is not an established part of their life why would you expect any different in their teens.

All this crap about not forcing kids to do stuff is BS, it is a case of knowing what is good for them (within reason). Sure they may bitch and moan but IMO they will rarely regret it when they are older. Everyone goes through the same- i'm sure most top athletes have said to their parents a few times they do not want to go training today. I do think increasingly however lifestyle change as a whole has a big influence on the ability of parents to cater for their kids active needs- if mum and dad both work 6-6 monday to friday they are not going to have much time for taking the kids to sport.

Parents are not going to spend over $1000 on something which kids could lose interest in after a week. Computer games are a certainty, buy a console and you've got kids doing something. Focus needs to be put into making the sport accessible, more school based scheme's or windsurfing schools taking advantage of government subsidies for education enrichment.

Wally's being the answer? I disagree with this very much, whilst I acknowledge there is a large wally fan base in windsurfing (and on seabreeze) it is not a visually exciting part of the sport. It has been there from the start and has done nothing to improve numbers on the water (apart from being the beginner board of choice). To prove a point, many schools in Brisbane have a longboard and rig stored away somewhere including the school I went to but they are seldom if ever used.
westozwind
westozwind
WA
1418 posts
WA, 1418 posts
28 Mar 2008 2:26pm
Nedlands Yacht Club have an aging fleet of wallys.
UWA use them for their recreate course.
It's onshore for the morning easterly in summer which is a good time to learn.
Means the instructors can go play in the seabreeze in the arvo.
NotWal
NotWal
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28 Mar 2008 3:32pm
The anti-couch-potato movement got a bit of a boost today with the release of the appalling stats for diabetes in Aus.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23651 posts
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28 Mar 2008 2:34pm
bubs said...

Windsurfing defently is not the only sport affected by video games though. They really struggle for some sporting teams at my school now days. So many kids just cant throw and catch a ball at all really. I barely play our playstation but the amount guys at school talk about computer, game cube, x box, playstation games etc. just annoys me. Don't quite get the fasination with it. It's alright sometimes but not as a main part of your life. Guys at school are even starting to get banned by their parents from playing different games because they just don't leave their rooms and school work isn't getting done and what not.

Type "game addiction" into youtube and see the amount of stories there are and how sad it is lol.
Bubs



See above for the definition of irony....



555
555
892 posts
555 555
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28 Mar 2008 2:41pm
"The biggest threat to Windsurfing is........."
Lack of imagination..

Kids get plonked in front of a TV from an early age. They are not taught to imagine. They do not look at something, and think "I could do that" and if they do, they don't have any of the fundamental building blocks.

I had a sandpit, a creek, a huge grassy hill (that isn't as big now for some reason!) and a lawn. We spent hours as kids digging holes, chasing eels, sliding on cardboard boxes, riding bikes etc.

My young cousins have a TV. They had absolutely no idea what to think when we found an old piece of roofing iron, some rusty nails and a couple of bits of 4x2 and made a kayak with them. Then they didn't want to try it in case they got wet, or got a bit dirty.

The real world is a bit too real for these kids - you can hurt yourself, get wet, get physically tired, and worst of all, you have to make an effort. And then, once someone pushes you into it, and you've gotten over the fact that you suck at it (because you've never tried anything like that before) there's a slight chance that you might enjoy yourself without being prompted by canned audience laughter.

I make a point of taking random kids for a short ride on my windsurfer if it's a light day at the beach (as long as they ask their parents first). I had a queue of kids lined up to have a ride up the beach and back on my mountainboard one afternoon, and despite the fact that I couldn't practice any of the things I was planning to, I was happy to take them all. Why? Because of the chance that a simple gesture might plant a seed in their imagination.

Funnily enough, my parents recently found a box of old stuff in their basement. In it was my first photo album (from when I was 7 and living in Australia). I was as surprised as anyone to see a windsurfer on the cover. Perhaps a seed that was planted at age 7 and took 19 years to grow?
DavMen
DavMen
NSW
1510 posts
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28 Mar 2008 4:53pm
Stop blaming Computor games! - Its the lazy parents who are at fault.

My kids play Xbox etc... but its balanced with other activities such as a summer sport - a winter Sport - scouting - music and chores.

No you don't have to spend avery minute with your child, but its up to the parent to parent their children.

If you leave a kid infront of a TV - more than likely he/she will eventually stay there all day. Nor just dump your kid somewhere as a pseudo Creche, as what happend with PCSimpson, spend time with them getting them interested in a sport.

Hey I'm not the worlds best father (far from it) but you do need to spend some quality time with them. Remeber, be a parent NOT their best freind.

Anyway I though the greatest threat was lack of wind.

evlPanda
evlPanda
NSW
9207 posts
NSW, 9207 posts
28 Mar 2008 4:53pm
It's pretty hard for kids to go windsurfing when they don't own a car. Do you think you'd still be windsurfing if you had to get your parents to drive you and all your gear and pick you and all your gear up all the time???

I see heaps and heaps... and heaps of kids on those little blade scooters now. They cost $30 and the kids can ride them, or take them on a bus, or fit them in a car easy, whatever, down to the skate park and the parents don't have to drive them.

I was thinking about this the other day. Skateboarding has to be the most accesible sport for kids, which may explain its popularity. A couple of hundred bucks will set you up and as long as it's not raining you can go skating.

Surfing, they can fit on a bus or carry on their bikes. Kiting possibly the same.

I think that's the reason, plus the cost, plus they don't know anyone who windsurfs.
Harrow
Harrow
NSW
4521 posts
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28 Mar 2008 4:54pm
I think the biggest threat is the advancement of the gear and the proliferation of the short board. (Ironic, because this is also what makes the sport so great).

Once upon a time you went to the beach with a friend and had a turn on their one design. If there was only a light breeze, anyone could be going back and forwards in 10 minutes. That is how I learnt.

But these days, I could not invite a friend to come and have a turn on my sailboard. They just wouldn't stand a chance using my small board.

Sure there are the 160 litre Starboard Starts, and Go's, etc., but I do not have one, and I have never seen one on the beach where I sail. But when I was a kid, just about every sailboard on the beach was suitable for a beginner to have a go.
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
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28 Mar 2008 4:55pm
Video games not only affect sports like windsurfing, they affect education and society in general. However they are here to stay.

I agree with Hardie in that technology is not the problem. Technology is the solution. GPS speed sailing is the first step in bringing together windsurfing and consumer electronic gaming.

The Nintendo Wii has shown people are interested in doing more in video games than pressing buttons and twiddling control pads. People want to get immersed in the game physically and mentally. This is similar to windsurfing in that it is an overwhelming experience when you are going for it.

Computer and video games were around when I was a kid and started windsurfing in the mid eighties. Games have progressed incredibly since then however in many ways they are not much more fun to play as they were back then.

Perhaps windsurfing can use video game technology to make down time, when the wind isn't blowing, more exciting. If you could take part in windsurfing activities while at home, that are as exciting as being on a board, then that would be fantastic.
jp747
jp747
1553 posts
1553 posts
28 Mar 2008 3:11pm
I try to steer away my kid from games that are in a way addicting like as you all said..am happy she plays with literally sticks and stones and occasionally her dolls and that's about it..give her a piece of garbage such as paper and twine and creativity sets in..so when with me at the beach i get one of the local kids to bring her out to the water as much as she wants and a 2.4yrs of age she was in deeper water than a fatso kid who was 5yrs. old that didn't want to get rid of his flotation device and was sticking to his mom in knee deep waters..am not gonna push my kid to windsurfing, kiting or anykind of watersports but if she wants to make a paddleboard out of a kiteboard then that's a step forward
X-man
X-man
WA
325 posts
WA, 325 posts
28 Mar 2008 3:29pm
Sorry i didnt read the whole thing but regarding how kids can be involed and kept interested, I think we all have to lift our game on the water.
A bunch of the neighbours and family friends kids had started windsurfing from when they were around 10, I must have been 15 at the time and we were all having a blast just cruising and jybing, little jumps etc, most of the older crew around was into slalom, and we couldnt really get into waves because the spots were on the other side of the island (this was in mauritius) and the parents wouldnt drive there and camp for the week end kind of thing..
Anyway then I got a bit bored of just going back and forth, i could watch freestyle videos but trying vulcans, falling a million times and never see anyone around actually doing them wasnt very encouraging. When kiting came everyone was just flying and flipping in the air so it was really attractive. I ended up kiting for the next 2 years and the other kids took it up also.
But kitesurfing seemed too easy (gear expensive, broken, etc...). Then I actually got more guts to throw myself into tricks, and with some swell the sensations get really addictive so you just want more!!!
You dont need much to throw a frontloop, i people actually see these at their local beach, i think it brings an awesome motivation factor!!--> if that guy can do it, I can!
Hourah!
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
28 Mar 2008 3:38pm
I don't fully agree that playing computer games is bad for kids.

There was a statistic bandied about that said something like
"The US Air Force routinely measures reaction time in their cadets. Reaction time has halved since the advent of video games".

Here's another article that says much the same thing:
http://www.bcs.rochester.edu/people/daphne/TCN_of_VGP.pdf

I know that when testing drivers for a Formula SAE car, the best driver by far was the one who played playstation games constantly.

Nature has evolved ways for humans to train themselves as they grow up, one of the ways this happens is to release pleasure chemicals when we're operating at the limit of our abilities. And this happens all the time when playing computer games, because you're operating at the edge of your reaction time envelope.

It also happens smacking that lip, or setting a speed PB...
stribo
stribo
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28 Mar 2008 5:09pm
I,m into computer games.I probably game as much as most of you watch TV.I learnt to fly an aeroplane on the computer.When a mate took me up in a little 2 seater stunt plane i took over , flew it(did loops) and landed the thing unassisted,although he was always at the ready.
I play online in some games and talk to my team mates/oponents who i have learnt more computer stuff from than i could ever learn from a book.
So games??? ...They keep your reactions sharp and your always learning something and socialising.
Much better than the mind poison that is on the box every night IMO.
Long as you get some exercise i can't see a problem with them.
mikeAUS146
mikeAUS146
WA
111 posts
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28 Mar 2008 4:54pm
I agree with whoever was saying about how kids have to depend on their parents.

I started sailing when i was about 6 or 7 I think, I sailed competitively until about 2 years ago. I started windsurfing about 5 years ago with my brother, for something a little more exciting.

My parents both had no interest in windsurfing, we had to scrounge the money together to pay for a setup out of the quokka. We both ended up with Bombora's and Dacron sails, horribly difficult equipment to learn on. If we didn't have a large knowledge of the wind through sailing, I don't think we would have stuck at it.

We were lucky enough to be able to store our gear at the yacht club we sailed at, and sometimes if i was really keen i would ride down there to go windsurfing. We could only really get into it when my brother got his license.

These days I see kids who have all the latest gear, and get to go to all the best spots (Matt Gwynn (Safety Bay) is a very good example of this) and because their parents/ dad are madly into it, they get madly into it and get all the best stuff.

Matty kicked my ass in the lano wave comp, and it makes me think how good i could be now if my dad was a windsurfer and took me everywhere

Moral of the story, get your kids into it because they get their friends into it!! Thats the only way this sport can grow i reckon cos kids are too lazy to tow stuff down to the beach/ river.

Also, whoever asked the question, Schools do have windsurfing (some) as part of their curriculum. I run the windsurfing part of WA Surf, and I tow the trailer up from safety bay during the week to teach All Saints and Aquinas, and I am currently trying to get more schools. It is a good market to crack into and I can see there are a few who are interested and want to keep going with windsurfing, which is great!
easty
easty
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28 Mar 2008 7:04pm
I think the moral of the story is go out and get yourself a longboard or a wideboard and get your kids into it before the evil techno gadgets invade their heads. I have a new RRD Longrider waiting for me when I get out of the bush next week. Daughter #1 (7YO) can't wait to go for a ride on the front - she even spent all easter in the water and finally learnt how to swim, as I said she couldn't come out with me until she could swim. Nose ride, then stand up, then learn. Hopefully - but at least the chance is there.
CJW
CJW
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CJW CJW
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28 Mar 2008 7:08pm
I don't think you can solely blame computers/games for the reduction of kids participation in sports but it's a massive factor. Compared to when I grew up (only 27) the accessibility to these sort of things is just phenomenally higher. When I was a teenager computers were just starting to hit their stride, they were expensive, software was limited and the internet as we know it was all but a pipe dream.

Sailing was my sport as a kid And it's basically all I did, raced up to a national level. There were heaps of kids in my local club like that and on race days the club was just abound with youth sailors. The last time I went home the club was basically an RSL. I'd attribute most of this to the 'computer generation' and also simply the choice of other sports out there. I mean there's mountain biking, which is huge these days compared to what it was, not to mention the crap loads of other sports and pastimes that just weren't around 10-15 years ago.

So no I don't think computers are solely at fault but they along with all the other news sports/pastimes play a massive role in the comparative decline in windsurfing participation.
poor relative
poor relative
WA
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28 Mar 2008 5:44pm
Nintendo is pretty good though.......


barn
barn
WA
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28 Mar 2008 5:45pm
look at the buy and sell section on this site... big freeride boards at stupidly high prices... its just boring freerides and hammered waveboards... not a healthy second hand market... so the only way to get new kids into the sport would be to get all old fart dads who used to windsurf back into it,, and then make them buy their kids proper kids rigs... there is no age limit to learning.. just the limit on parents wallets to buy kids gear... which becomes second hand one day and some other kid can use it... its happenin in europe. probs wont make it to aus

anyone wana buy...
a 1997 bic saxo wave $$$$20000..
1998 neilpryde V8, ten cams, 8m $$$$$1230
Red5
Red5
VIC
51 posts
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28 Mar 2008 8:02pm
Classic, the paranoia that windsurfing is ending causing panic from windsurfers. Now we will hear never ending rants about what a great sport it is and if only the youth of today were better people…blah blah blah. Never mind the reality that the world is a different place than when windsurfing was popular and working on trying to adapt windsurfing to suit modern society. Windsurfing is a big mess from the ground up and if it was a corporation it would be out of business. What’s so superior about windsurfing and so bad about computer games anyway? It’s just playing, escapism or whatever it’s the same thing so why are you so arrogant to think you are such noble citizens because you windsurf? You think it’s healthy; sure, windsurfing is hazardous and probably causes far more injuries than any supposed long term health benefits, just think of the sun damage to the skin and eyes for a start. Windsurfers need to start dealing in the real world.
hardie
hardie
WA
4133 posts
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28 Mar 2008 6:13pm
barn said...

... so the only way to get new kids into the sport would be to get all old fart dads who used to windsurf back into it,, and then make them buy their kids proper kids rigs...


With the gps team challenge we have had at about 10 so called old farts return to the sport who had previously retired (And all have said how thrilled they are to be back into it, and having regrets for leaving it), so in part I think that is part of the answer, kids need their parents involved, all my kids have learnt to windsurf, and 2 still do it. The issue becomes how to get the kids that don't have parents that are into it, past or present?

Some really good dsicussion points so far!!

Little Jon
Little Jon
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28 Mar 2008 8:23pm
What about the 2, 4, 15 concept/clubs that are in Britain and also we need schools which mean we need windsurf shops to run them.

Unfortunately people do want instant gratification like video games and jet skis.
snides8
snides8
WA
1731 posts
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28 Mar 2008 6:30pm
of course mr Pryde generalises...
but beware taking advice from a business man....they generally only are concerned with there hip pockets.i am sure mr pryde would be much happier if the dollars spent on nintendos was spent on his products instead.
i personally would treat mr pryde's comments with contempt! i dont think he gives todays kids the credit they deserve,he claims they have limited attention span! imo kids today probably multi task more than any previous generation in history- there is so much going on its hard to comprehend some times,so many choices for leisure etc
i know my kids are involved in heaps of different sports as well as playing nintendos and the like and they cope extremely well. when i was their age there was winter sports choices- footy or hockey,summer sport choices sailing or cricket and tv choices-get smart and hogans heroes.life was simple and the summers seemed longer. kids have to deal with so much more these days...
maybe i am paranoid but i think he is just making bullets..ready for some one else to fire
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