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Gorgo
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11 Apr 2011 12:05pm
Have I collected a bunch of red thumbs because I implied that a windsurfer could not hassle a kiter because kites are so superior? That was not my intention. Any competent person on a kiteboard or sailboard can easily avoid a pest by riding away from them.

Or because I suggested that pierrec45 is a psychotic, deluded nuisance? Which he clearly is if he really does the things he says he does.
barn
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11 Apr 2011 11:10am
Dezza said...

Barn, you must be gen y, all this " cool I don't care if I trash my gear" ..
bummer. Getting a board trashed is upsetting, having a sail trashed by someeslse is very upsetting, some people have the means to replace broken gear straight away, others don't.


Your right, how unconsoling of me, I sometimes forget how emotional generations before mine really are.. Watergate and the Cold War must really have taken its toll..

flipper4444
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11 Apr 2011 1:36pm
windsufering said...

Dr J you must be very happy a cashed up bogan is captain of the aust cricket team



windsurfering your scary
FlickySpinny
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11 Apr 2011 11:57am
At the risk of speaking for others....

[EDIT - I was defending Barn briefly and then decided against it after the post above ]

For a beginner / intermediate sailor to break something / have something broken for them is a nightmare. After you've wrecked a few (tens of) thousands of dollars worth of kit generally you become more accepting. I have.

Even so, I'd be furious if I was in the position of the OP, partly because of the damage to the sail and partly because it could have been SO MUCH WORSE. I'd definitely have had a polite (seriously) word with the instructor and pointed out the damage.
FormulaNova
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11 Apr 2011 1:42pm
barn said...

Dezza said...

Barn, you must be gen y, all this " cool I don't care if I trash my gear" ..
bummer. Getting a board trashed is upsetting, having a sail trashed by someeslse is very upsetting, some people have the means to replace broken gear straight away, others don't.


Your right, how unconsoling of me, I sometimes forget how emotional generations before mine really are.. Watergate and the Cold War must really have taken its toll..
...



Maybe living at home with a dad* that also windsurfs gives you a different perspective on how expensive things are? It's be pretty handy being able to borrow some 'spares' if you broke yours. Not everyone can do that.

(* just a guess )


barn
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11 Apr 2011 1:58pm
wrong guess. But yes I probably would be upset if I had to borrow 2001 NP zones and Slalom gear..

If anyone can't handle a dent, broken mast or a hole in their sail then they should bubblewrap their gear and take up chess.. Just don't have a sulk when you loose your bishop, S*it happens..
qldnacra
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11 Apr 2011 4:55pm
Didn't say i couldn't handle it and i understand damage will happen to toys, i've ridden dirt bikes for years. That doesn't mean i have to like it or not care if something does get damaged. I work hard for my money and don't enjoy throwing it away. I will continue to use my toys and they will probably continue to get damaged from time to time and guess what i will continue to get annoyed if something does get damaged and will be even more annoyed if it's caused by someone else who hasn't paid for it. AND guess what else my stuff will be worth more than yours when it comes time to re-sell it and buy new stuff because i have looked after it better and cared about it. I have pride in the things i own and bought them in the first place because i liked them so why would i treat them like crap, it doesn't make sense to me. That probably doesn't make sense to you but it doesn't have to.
barn
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11 Apr 2011 3:31pm
If you want to look after you gear and keep your resale, don't catapult and don't stand downwind of a kitesurf lesson. I do neither of these so I guess I take care of my gear after all.


razzmatazz
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11 Apr 2011 5:47pm
barn said...

If you want to look after you gear and keep your resale, don't catapult and don't stand downwind of a kitesurf lesson. I do neither of these so I guess I take care of my gear after all.





You don't catapult?? that's when I get the most acceleration, the greatest height and probably go the fastest too at any session I have. I never ever miss an opportunity. Only my board seems to have a thing against it
lotofwind
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11 Apr 2011 6:08pm
Gorgo said...


Or because I suggested that pierrec45 is a psychotic, deluded nuisance? Which he clearly is if he really does the things he says he does.


Yep,most polers I have met have been good blokes,,its the ones like old cranky 45 that give the windsurfers the reputation of grumpy old men.

He cant be that stupid to get in the way on purpose,of people trying to learn???
Why do grumpy old men try and destroy other peoples fun????Are they jealouse that their life sucks so they try and wreck everyone elses life???

I mean,if your a competent poler you should be able to manouver around learners and still have a good session.Maybe still learning yourself so need lots of room???
Or just think your awsome and own the beach???LOL
You wouldnt last long at our local,,
If you didnt get knocked out,,at the least you would have a waxed windscreen and 4 flat tyres.
And that would be done by the polersThe kiters wouldnt be as friendly
qldnacra
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11 Apr 2011 6:56pm
Barn
You don't seem to read to well. Like i said in a previous post she travelled around 30m ONSHORE. It was a SSE wind and i was near the beach had only been there 2 minutes or so. She went almost directly west. BUT seeing as though they were at the most Southern end of Shearwater near the inlet she was upwind of everyone. If i haven't been clear up until this point i WAS NOT directly down wind of her. If she had have been standing with the wind in her face and lifted her right arm to the side she would have been almost pointing at me. Get the idea now. My point was that if she had have been taught how to fly the kite PROPERLY first AND been down wind of MANY people in the area no problems would have arisen. There was plenty of room and plenty of excess beach about 150m or so north. People in crowded areas need to consider others and what the possible implications of their actions my be. I was there because i had just split the front of my board and was no longer going to sail it and i was telling my mate what happened when i made a blew trying to gybe. So you tell me mate how much extra room one should allow or should 12 to 14 other people just get out of the water so one person can learn or should that one person move a little to still practice in a very safe area on the same beach so if a mistake is made, and they will be made, can be made with out hurting someone else or damaging someone elses gear. To me the answer is a no brainer but maybe i'm just weird and deluded.
albers
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11 Apr 2011 7:34pm
It could be possible that Barns' lack of concern over trashing his gear could be because he is sponsored

PS: I've seen you sail Barn, first hand, and you leave 99.999% of us behind!
lotofwind
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11 Apr 2011 7:41pm
If your not breaking gear,your either really really good,
or,
being a sofc0ck and holding back sailing like Flippers granny.
Mark _australia
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11 Apr 2011 5:43pm
lotofwind said...

If your not breaking gear,your either really really good,
or,
being a sofc0ck and holding back sailing like Flippers granny.


I heard Flips granny doesn't hold back
Dezza
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11 Apr 2011 7:58pm
Now we're all yelling at each other, must be the end of the season.

But don't have a go at original poster, been plenty of whinging on here, mostly whinges about the weather and people who try to predict it too much

Roll on spring.

Barn, you must be about to head off to somewhere windy for next few months?
lotofwind
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11 Apr 2011 8:07pm
Mark _australia said...

lotofwind said...

If your not breaking gear,your either really really good,
or,
being a sofc0ck and holding back sailing like Flippers granny.

I heard Flips granny doesn't hold back

She certainly dosent hold back,,,,,here is a pic of when I partied with the old girl last Friday.

In this pic she has her teeth in.
There is something about a Terry Toweling trackie thats just soooo hooootttt.
pierrec45
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11 Apr 2011 8:16pm
lotofwind said...


He cant be that stupid to get in the way on purpose,of people trying to learn???
Why do grumpy old men try and destroy other peoples fun????Are they jealouse that their life sucks so they try and wreck everyone elses life???

I mean,if your a competent poler you should be able to manouver around learners and still have a good session.Maybe still learning yourself so need lots of room???
Or just think your awsome and own the beach???LOL
You wouldnt last long at our local,,
If you didnt get knocked out,,at the least you would have a waxed windscreen and 4 flat tyres.
And that would be done by the polersThe kiters wouldnt be as friendly

First of all, I want to reassure you: when I get in the way of people trying to ruin the day for others by being upwind and in the way, I use the older rig. Hope that reassures you. I'm not picking on kiters, just that they're the only ones doing that. Once many years ago, a windsurfer didn't want to yield on port tack and I held my upwind. Was fun, we had a beer afterward. Not all crowds are new to watersports and crybabies, you see.

Someone was saying that experienced kiters were out of the way and safe: this is strange, the very few times I had fun on your forum, I thought you guys had concluded that well-publicised accidents were happening regardless of level. But you're right that experienced types are no problem to others once they cleanly sail away.

A previous poster (the one who can spell, forgot the name) was saying most kiters are out of the the way. Well, on certain days it's half of them learning and in the way. Or worse, having a chat with the lines dragging. I find 'schools' do that too. Aren't 'schools' supposed to be run by experienced kiters ??

Why they'd get upwind of launching areas all the time for that, I don't know. Lotofwind, since you approve and find that funny, you should explain. As I was saying, I think they want to avoid being blown onto the shore, create room and not walk far. Perhaps they simple lack common scents, as some previous challenged poster wrote (too many times being blown into trees??). Perhaps they're the same larrikins that got a beach closed nearby here a couple years back. Seems to me, they look the same.

On a 5-mile ocean shoreline with side winds, it's not a problem - there's room to walk away.

On an on-shore wind on a shallow beach, you don't have the choice but to brush off with those.
The couple main sailing spots here have a small departure area. In many years, I never saw windsurfers runs into mast or lines. People getting in the way all the time is a recent phenom - guess what changed.

"Lasting long at your local": do you even know of the typos in your tattoos? Anyways I've seen as many kiters run into each other in this case (since they can't depart either), so I seem to be a very minor problem to kiters... Just look at your forum sometimes LOL.

NEVER never saw a problem with sailors of all types stay a reasonable, safe distance from one another. Never. That includes kiters.

BTW, why is your prose competing with windsufering, are you the same guy ??
(no offense w-sufering !)
pierrec45
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11 Apr 2011 8:20pm
Dezza said...

Now we're all yelling at each other, must be the end of the season.

But don't have a go at original poster, been plenty of whinging on here, mostly whinges about the weather and people who try to predict it too much

LOL mate, just having fun.

Serious, I think the original post belongs here and not the other forum.

Just like kiting accidents, they'd brush it off and say it never happens, and if it does, it was lack of experience. Then the culprit will come on and say he was experienced indeed, defend said behaviour, etc.

May as well be here.
DrJ
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11 Apr 2011 8:26pm
windsufering said...

Dr J you must be very happy a cashed up bogan is captain of the aust cricket team



What?
lotofwind
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11 Apr 2011 8:31pm
Old boy 45,,,,wow,such a long rant,,you really do hate kiters.
Still dont understand why you want to purposly annoy people and get in the way.
Sorry to tell you this but,
kiters are growing in number,,you need to learn to get along with everyone on the water and not go out to purposly get in the way of people.Thats just vendictive.
Maybe go and sail away from where schools are trying to make a living???
I know things were good "back in your day" but those days are gone.Sorry

You get on your old gear on the days you want to get in the way of learners????
That wont save decapitation by a learners line around your neck

Its a big ocean people,,,dont know why people like 45 want to try and make something so simple,,so hard.
If I get grumpy and hate anything new when I get old,,,please shoot me.
lotofwind
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11 Apr 2011 8:45pm
pierrec45 said...
BTW, why is your prose competing with windsufering, are you the same guy ??
(no offense w-sufering !)


yawn
Mark _australia
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11 Apr 2011 6:46pm
lotofwind said...

pierrec45 said...
BTW, why is your prose competing with windsufering, are you the same guy ??
(no offense w-sufering !)


No offense taken.
Me and lotofwind are not the same guy,,,that would be scary.


errrrrr .............
barn
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11 Apr 2011 6:48pm
qldnacra said...

Barn
You don't seem to read to well.


I read good, but I'm the token Gen-Y and as a generation we don't read anonymous 1st post spiels on the internet over a paragraph, especially when they involve having a go at kites, *yawn*... Then we comment on something and annoy the f**k out of Grumpy Old Men who can't comprehend how someone can accept gear damage without emotionally breaking down..

...

I find it pretty funny how people are writing off/red thumbing my indifferent attitude to gear breakage as just me having an amazing financial position.. If you sail enough you accept it happens, I'm not alone either.. Take a trip to Brazil and see the attitude of the locals when the board 5 kids are sharing gets written off.. Or the next town where the kids can't even afford shoes, but they still come down and watch the windsurfers, in the hope somebody will give them a turn..

tl'dr.. Damaged gear? Upset? pull your head in.

lotofwind
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11 Apr 2011 8:49pm
Mark _australia said...

lotofwind said...

pierrec45 said...
BTW, why is your prose competing with windsufering, are you the same guy ??
(no offense w-sufering !)


No offense taken.
Me and lotofwind are not the same guy,,,that would be scary.


errrrrr .............


how did you do the fake quote thing????tricky
flipper4444
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11 Apr 2011 8:50pm
will you fellas leave my granny alone when you guys were in nappies she was windsurfing with da boys you fools!
Mark _australia
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11 Apr 2011 6:54pm
lotofwind said...

Mark _australia said...

lotofwind said...

pierrec45 said...
BTW, why is your prose competing with windsufering, are you the same guy ??
(no offense w-sufering !)


No offense taken.
Me and lotofwind are not the same guy,,,that would be scary.


errrrrr .............


how did you do the fake quote thing????tricky



Caught out! deleted your post after I quoted it cos u let it slip huh

lotofwind = windsufering

Mark _australia
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11 Apr 2011 6:58pm
barn said...

qldnacra said...

Barn
You don't seem to read to well.


<snip>

I find it pretty funny how people are writing off/red thumbing my indifferent attitude to gear breakage as just me having an amazing financial position.. If you sail enough you accept it happens, I'm not alone either.. Take a trip to Brazil and see the attitude of the locals when the board 5 kids are sharing gets written off.. Or the next town where the kids can't even afford shoes, but they still come down and watch the windsurfers..

tl'dr.. Damaged gear? Upset? pull your head in.




I think you are getting red thumbs as your posts reek of the "I am so hardcore I don't care if I damage gear when I am sailing so good" - reinforced by your comments like saying "don't catapault" to a learner/intermediate - which is really condescending.

You may be a really good sailor but you don't need to tell everyone about it.



lotofwind
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11 Apr 2011 8:59pm
flipper4444 said...

will you fellas leave my granny alone when you guys were in nappies she was windsurfing with da boys you fools!


Sorry,,,
I must admitt though,
I do love her had knitted tea cosies,
and ballerina toilet roll holders.

lotofwind
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11 Apr 2011 9:02pm
Mark _australia said...

lotofwind said...

Mark _australia said...

lotofwind said...

pierrec45 said...
BTW, why is your prose competing with windsufering, are you the same guy ??
(no offense w-sufering !)


No offense taken.
Me and lotofwind are not the same guy,,,that would be scary.


errrrrr .............


how did you do the fake quote thing????tricky



Caught out! deleted your post after I quoted it cos u let it slip huh

lotofwind = windsufering




Really?
sucker
And its not even april 1st
flipper4444
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11 Apr 2011 9:06pm
lotofwind said...

flipper4444 said...

will you fellas leave my granny alone when you guys were in nappies she was windsurfing with da boys you fools!


Sorry,,,
I must admitt though,
I do love her had knitted tea cosies,
and ballerina toilet roll holders.




why that is so cute lotofwind come here and give me and gran ma a kiss
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