4 simple steps to learn to forward loop

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TristanF
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6 Nov 2009 3:31pm
sinker said...

Had a go at step 1 recently, its not actually as easy as it looks on the vid!!!

Having looked at the vid a second time i can see where I was going wrong.....I needed to stand on the tail and get that nose clear of the water.


Just caught this thread and so haven't tried it yet - but what a great technique!

Sinker, I think your point about standing on the tail is spot on. When first learning low speed flare gybes, the guy teaching me said that the more you get weight over the fin, the faster the board spins.

Makes sense to me - if your COG is directly over the fin, this will minimise the force required to spin the board 360.

Can't wait to try it!
555
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6 Nov 2009 6:11pm
It's quite fun.. I had a go today, and did some planing versions of step 1. Pretty much the same as the intro to the video, just faster and wetter! He does a couple of quicker ones in the clips for step_1 - that's where I'm at.

I have no idea how your feet can possibly stay in the straps (nice loose wave straps) doing it though.

On review of the video again, it looks like he's really digging in the downwind rail which seems to help the board pop out and skip where mine was getting dug in and staying put.

No painful landings, and it is good fun to be spun into a blur, then realise that you're pointing the same direction as you started, just with no board.

Tomorrow I hope to have another crack at it, and maybe try adding in a bit of a pop to free the board a bit more. Sounds a lot like step 2.
windaddict
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6 Nov 2009 9:37pm
555 said...

It's quite fun.. I had a go today, and did some planing versions of step 1. Pretty much the same as the intro to the video, just faster and wetter! He does a couple of quicker ones in the clips for step_1 - that's where I'm at.

I have no idea how your feet can possibly stay in the straps (nice loose wave straps) doing it though.

On review of the video again, it looks like he's really digging in the downwind rail which seems to help the board pop out and skip where mine was getting dug in and staying put.

No painful landings, and it is good fun to be spun into a blur, then realise that you're pointing the same direction as you started, just with no board.

Tomorrow I hope to have another crack at it, and maybe try adding in a bit of a pop to free the board a bit more. Sounds a lot like step 2.


Good to hear! I hope we will all be at step 4 by the end of this season.
windtechno
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6 Nov 2009 10:29pm
king of the point said...

You got to gain confidence
Get a couple of sessions under your belt powered up.... you should be able to extend your floater jumps and stall jumps landing tail first by really controling the landing by floating down with power in the sail.

HOWS YOUR STALLED NOISE FIRST LANDING JUMPS.

These are the best jump to feel out tilting THE NOSE down wind and contolling your board in the air. and learning to feel whats it like to be looking forward.

and are also great for feeling out a back loop landings.(Pressures on your body straps board and rig)as you drop and spear it in.

Dont attempt to do forwards if its out of control windy ..........powered and a tad over and a little bit cross on is the go.

You dont have to OR want to pick the biggest ramp (ie vertical ramp) As demonstrated above flat water ones are very easy once you commit

ITS A CONBINATION OF BEING CATUPALTED AND using your legs to bring the board under and around with you.

The flatter ones you do them the more of your legs / feet have to locked into the straps .........but they will just follow you round ....got really lockem in.

aiming to go around side ways ........gotta hang on fken tight.

But hey you can pitch and go end over end ask waveslayer

More commitment = less damage you can not feel this move out.

Take on the power once you felt it once and gorn around once .......no turning back.



King of the point brother your back . we have all missed you so much how is WA son thease days??? your the man
AusMoz
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7 Nov 2009 8:53am
My next sailing session i will try this with a 125 L Tabou, probably a bit big to try this stuff but give the basics of it a go.

Whats the biggest boards people are using for their loops?
mofo
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8 Nov 2009 9:02pm
you guys are ****ting me right ??? non of you guys can do this? I was doing forward loops like that 20 years ago.Grow some balls!
TristanF
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8 Nov 2009 10:31pm
Wow mofo, have you been "keeping it real" for 20 years also?

www.seabreeze.com.au/Members/Profile/Details.aspx?member=mofo
windtechno
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8 Nov 2009 11:26pm
mofo has to be a kitesurfer. no windsurfer would talk like that to there buddys
windaddict
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9 Nov 2009 9:50am
mofo said...

you guys are ****ting me right ??? non of you guys can do this? I was doing forward loops like that 20 years ago.Grow some balls!


Wow! 20 years ago I would bet you weren't even alive.
albers
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9 Nov 2009 10:40am
You're right windtechno, Mofo is a kiter judging by their first two posts.

The future of Australia is in good hands, especially when someone's "balls" are most likely bigger than their brains

Their logon is Mofo = Mother F**ker.

What is it with these people?

mofo
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9 Nov 2009 3:41pm
I'm 39 and been sailboarding since 1985 ,,do the maths noobs!And yes now I kiteboard cos I got sick of taking a trailor full of crap every time I wanted to go for a sail..
FlickySpinny
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9 Nov 2009 2:06pm
Don't feed the dangle-troll.
russh
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9 Nov 2009 4:48pm
mofo said...

I'm 39 and been sailboarding since 1985 ,,do the maths noobs!And yes now I kiteboard cos I got sick of taking a trailor full of crap every time I wanted to go for a sail..


If there was ever a reason to move to the dark side I think that is a pretty good one - and one that I am sure we are all envious of a bag and a board that you can virtually carry on your back.

But that is where the envy stops for me.
Boris
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9 Nov 2009 2:52pm
mofo said...

And yes now I kiteboard cos I got sick of taking a trailor full of crap every time I wanted to go for a sail..


What kind of knob takes a whole trailer full of gear to go sailing?

Let me guess, you....

1) Bought every sail size from 3.5 up to 6.5 and rigged them all, even though all but 1 or 2 were never used each time (if at all).

2) then proceeded to make minor adjustments to every rig over the next 3 hours without actually going into the water

3) sat in your canvas directors chair (with 2 cup holders. perhaps a can of Tab Cola or Kirks Creaming Soda in each) and imparted your wisdom on those around you as they rigged up

4) once got Robby Naish's autograph at a demo day or the Sony contest, and from that point on you told people that you and he are mates, and that he thought you'd go well on the pro tour.

5) ...probably weren't that good after all

Seriously, regardless of what you're into, who'd give up such an awesome sport simply because you have to drive to the beach to do it?

Why don't you just take up frisbee and be done with it?





knigit
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9 Nov 2009 3:35pm
How about 400 steps? Yup we've all seen it before but it's pure gold.
Enjoy the cheesy music once again

mofo
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9 Nov 2009 6:20pm
Not here to start arguments ,I see myself as a sailboarder first and a kiteboarder 2nd and I'm in no way ashamed of that. Like many of the guys/gals I kite with who 50% of them come from sailboarding background .
My problem is I want to be out there if it's 15 kts or 40 kts .the amount of gear you need to cover that wind range is a joke.
Ive put in thousands of hours into sailboarding over the past 25 years ,nearly every day after school and after work in summer and been out ther freezing my nuts off in the crappiest gustiest wind in winter.

I live 400m from the beach so after work I can usually grab a board and a couple of sails ,and most of the time be covered .If I go for a road trip or a full day I take enough gear to cover all conditions.You all know where this is going .3 boards , 5 sails ,3 masts ,3 booms and a collection of fins universals ect.
I'm not bagging sailboarding cos I love it,But now I throw in a couple of kites ,a harness and a small board ,this by the way all fits in the boot of your car and I'm good for anything from 12kts to 40kts flat water / or surf.

To be honest the two sports are that close it's not funny ,Sailboarding you get more speed ,and kiting you get serious air time.love em both.
bobdaboarder
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9 Nov 2009 8:07pm
For those that are ready to take it to the air. The biggest tip i can give is to look back before you sheet in.This will help you go around the mast instead of over it or into it.It will also allow you to spot your landing.

Years ago I was struggling for a long time with them and someone told me this and it made all the difference. Also make sure you reach a fair way back with your backhand.
windtechno
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9 Nov 2009 10:14pm
mofo said...

Not here to start arguments ,I see myself as a sailboarder first and a kiteboarder 2nd and I'm in no way ashamed of that. Like many of the guys/gals I kite with who 50% of them come from sailboarding background .
My problem is I want to be out there if it's 15 kts or 40 kts .the amount of gear you need to cover that wind range is a joke.
Ive put in thousands of hours into sailboarding over the past 25 years ,nearly every day after school and after work in summer and been out ther freezing my nuts off in the crappiest gustiest wind in winter.

I live 400m from the beach so after work I can usually grab a board and a couple of sails ,and most of the time be covered .If I go for a road trip or a full day I take enough gear to cover all conditions.You all know where this is going .3 boards , 5 sails ,3 masts ,3 booms and a collection of fins universals ect.
I'm not bagging sailboarding cos I love it,But now I throw in a couple of kites ,a harness and a small board ,this by the way all fits in the boot of your car and I'm good for anything from 12kts to 40kts flat water / or surf.

To be honest the two sports are that close it's not funny ,Sailboarding you get more speed ,and kiting you get serious air time.love em both.


You need a trailer full of gear? what a load of crap. Maybe in the 80s, but mate it's not the 80's any more. all i take windsurfing now is one board, 2 sails, 1 mast and 1 boom, that's it.

Hey you ever heard of the new quad fin wave boards?? you can wave sail in light wind and when the wind blows over 25 knots. They are so stable, that ya dont need to change down ya board size, anymore. when the wind realy starts to blow. You can sail the one board in all conditions.
Also most new sails have the new boom cut out design. So you only need 1 boom, now.
And the sails designers are now making sails from 4.0 to 6.6 that all rig on 1 mast.
windtechno
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9 Nov 2009 10:17pm
knigit said...

How about 400 steps? Yup we've all seen it before but it's pure gold.
Enjoy the cheesy music once again





That video is unreal i am saving to my youtube fav vids, thanks dude for the vid. I am glad God made Dave ezzy. where would windsurfing be with out him?? I think he makes the best sails in the world. I hopeing one day to own a few of his sails.
Gestalt
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10 Nov 2009 12:48am
windtechno i agree with you. i'm not sure which one of you i agree with but none the less i do agree.

albers
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10 Nov 2009 8:40am
Hey Mofo, if you were forward looping 20 years ago (circa 1989), you most likely would have been one of the first to do it in Australia, and only after sailing for 4 years (you stated you started in 1985).

Now UK Boards magazine states the forward loop was first landed by Mark Angulo in 1987 as a follow on from Cesare Cantagalli's "Cheese Roll". So you would have been at the cutting edge of windsurfing in Australia.

What happened?
AusMoz
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10 Nov 2009 9:42am
rob1977 said...

For those that are ready to take it to the air. The biggest tip i can give is to look back before you sheet in.This will help you go around the mast instead of over it or into it.It will also allow you to spot your landing.

Years ago I was struggling for a long time with them and someone told me this and it made all the difference. Also make sure you reach a fair way back with your backhand.


ROB1977

Just trying to visualise this with the video. I will be attempting this hint you gave me but scares the hell out of me not being able to look forward can you give a bit more detail?

cheers
GCMOZ
pierrec45
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10 Nov 2009 11:36am
albers said...

Hey Mofo, if you were forward looping 20 years ago (circa 1989), you most likely would have been one of the first to do it in Australia, and only after sailing for 4 years (you stated you started in 1985).

Now UK Boards magazine states the forward loop was first landed by Mark Angulo in 1987 as a follow on from Cesare Cantagalli's "Cheese Roll". So you would have been at the cutting edge of windsurfing in Australia.

What happened?

Damn this is funny - another great thread !
MrSpaggiari
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10 Nov 2009 11:23am
My question is, whats a kiter doing lurking around a windsurfing thread?? I've never found myself reading in the kiter threads.

The problem was back in 1980's gear was..... crap! So I agree, with all that frustration! I mean, how long did you have to battle just to learn how to get in the straps. I went through all that when I was a kid and I hated it, but I pressed on. Luckily.

On the whole I think windsurfing is more difficult compared to kitesurfing, but thank God now days the gear is much more easy and user friendly. I only have 1 board and 1 sail, which I use everywhere. At home I have a 4sqm for those heavy days.

They say most windsurfers went to kitesurfing because kitesurfing was easier and you dont need to be very fit. So I guess if I couldnt windsurf, id settle for kitesurfing. You'll notice the kitersurfers that went back to windsurfing are the ones who could windsurf.

I think this is because of the gear issue, people try buy crap gear to spare a buck or two cause the right gear is expensive, but then they end up hating the sport cause its just so hard and tiering. Along comes kitesurfing, cheaper gear, easy, and not tirering. Just take a look at the physique of kiters.

Personally, I'd prefer to spend the extra cash and get 1st prize. But thats me.
Rider5
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10 Nov 2009 9:39am
mofo said...

Not here to start arguments

Bullsh1t re read your 1st 2 posts, sarcastic, arrogant, challenging and insulting.
Give up Windsurfing PLEASE ! and stick to kiting they need more people like you , we don't!
MrSpaggiari
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10 Nov 2009 11:46am
Rider5 said...

mofo said...

Not here to start arguments

Bullsh1t re read your 1st 2 posts, sarcastic, arrogant, challenging and insulting.
Give up Windsurfing PLEASE ! and stick to kiting they need more people like you , we don't!



lol
elmo
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10 Nov 2009 9:47am
Boris said...


What kind of knob takes a whole trailer full of gear to go sailing?

Let me guess, you....

1) Bought every sail size from 3.5 up to 6.5 and rigged them all, even though all but 1 or 2 were never used each time (if at all).

2) then proceeded to make minor adjustments to every rig over the next 3 hours without actually going into the water

3) sat in your canvas directors chair (with 2 cup holders. perhaps a can of Tab Cola or Kirks Creaming Soda in each) and imparted your wisdom on those around you as they rigged up

4) once got Robby Naish's autograph at a demo day or the Sony contest, and from that point on you told people that you and he are mates, and that he thought you'd go well on the pro tour.

5) ...probably weren't that good after all

Seriously, regardless of what you're into, who'd give up such an awesome sport simply because you have to drive to the beach to do it?

Why don't you just take up frisbee and be done with it?





Mark _australia
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10 Nov 2009 11:33am
Rider5 said...

mofo said...

Not here to start arguments

Bullsh1t re read your 1st 2 posts, sarcastic, arrogant, challenging and insulting.
Give up Windsurfing PLEASE ! and stick to kiting they need more people like you , we don't!



+1
was a bit rude [}:)]
bobdaboarder
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10 Nov 2009 4:45pm
Just trying to visualise this with the video. I will be attempting this hint you gave me but scares the hell out of me not being able to look forward can you give a bit more detail?

cheers
GCMOZ

Hey GCMOZ

Try this link.


It should help you understand my explanation a bit better



windtechno
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10 Nov 2009 6:42pm
Rider5 said...

mofo said...

Not here to start arguments

Bullsh1t re read your 1st 2 posts, sarcastic, arrogant, challenging and insulting.
Give up Windsurfing PLEASE ! and stick to kiting they need more people like you , we don't!



And mothofu kitesurfers are openly gay
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