What's it going to cull em? A childs death?

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beastsurf
beastsurf
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31 Aug 2012 9:53pm
I dont think there is anything to gain by comparisons. The situation needs to be evaluated on its merits. Comparisons inflame arguments that assist nothing. The reality is there are a lot more sharks and a lot more attacks. There are options we can take to minimize the effect of sharks on humans so we should take them as long as it is measured and does not render them extinct. It's not that hard! Balance.
subasurf
subasurf
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31 Aug 2012 9:59pm
Mask said...

[. It's not like JAWS where one little beach community is being ravaged by a single rouge shark.


You absolutely sure about that??

BTW, Does a rouge shark look a bit like this???


The attacks in WA have ranged from Margaret River to just south of Coral Bay, so yeah I'm pretty certain it isn't just one beach community being terrorized by one shark.
rbl
rbl
WA
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31 Aug 2012 10:12pm
1 shark can cover multiple beaches in multiple countries in one year so distance is no real proof that its not the same shark or couple of sharks.

current law states that if a shark is a clear danger to human life then it can be taken down by fisheries. it doesn't have to commit multiple offences at the same beach and get that stupid rogue label. Thats why rotto and wedge were set up with a response team armed with baits.

suba if u have to do a thesis at uni then i think this GW thing would be awesome to research properly. You may have an opportunity for this and if you can get a decent uni supervisor to back you then u should go for it. Many would love to be able to study this so u should make the most of it if there is a chance. when it finished people can choose to read it or not, its their choice so they can't even winge at u about it.
subasurf
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31 Aug 2012 10:35pm
rbl said...

suba if u have to do a thesis at uni then i think this GW thing would be awesome to research properly. You may have an opportunity for this and if you can get a decent uni supervisor to back you then u should go for it. Many would love to be able to study this so u should make the most of it if there is a chance. when it finished people can choose to read it or not, its their choice so they can't even winge at u about it.


That's been the plan since before I started Uni. My intentions at this stage is to stay at uni and continue doing research and mate one day get my PhD, after I finished my Mathematica degree also. White sharks are the reason I'm at uni, the timing of these attacks is just freakish.

subasurf
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31 Aug 2012 11:07pm
^ bloody iPhone keyboards
Legion
Legion
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31 Aug 2012 11:28pm
subasurf said...

My intentions at this stage is to stay at uni and continue doing research and mate one day get my PhD, after I finished my Mathematica degree also.


I got my degree in Matlab. Not as big a fan of Mathematica's syntax.
subasurf
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1 Sep 2012 12:09am
Haha. I meant mathematical degree, not mathematica. Keyboard is being a prick.
Yeah matlab is good. Most of my stuff is either scripted in matlab or maple.
IFocus
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1 Sep 2012 8:39am


What will it take for a cull.............scared "Red Necks" the most dangerous specious of all
Woodo
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1 Sep 2012 8:49am
Soon there may just be a few that decide to take matters into there own hands. They won't have to rely on anyone else's decision making and nothing will be able to stop them...
*insert Dr Evil laugh
PaddlePig
PaddlePig
WA
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1 Sep 2012 9:06am
I've thought about taking my boat out for a hunt, but my fishing skills aren't that great. But yeah, I have a vessel that's good for any DIY warrior.

Who's up for a hunt? Bring a few cans?

(only half serious though guys, mostly a joke)
boofy
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1 Sep 2012 11:17am
PaddlePig said...

I've thought about taking my boat out for a hunt, but my fishing skills aren't that great. But yeah, I have a vessel that's good for any DIY warrior.

Who's up for a hunt? Bring a few cans?

(only half serious though guys, mostly a joke)


Great idea just need a little fat pink pig for bait
Dawn Patrol
Dawn Patrol
WA
1991 posts
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1 Sep 2012 9:49am
Lol and get their arses dragged over the coals when fisheries find them.


And oohh matlab, the love/hate relationship that comes with it...
SP
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1 Sep 2012 10:13am
boofy said...

Surfing is a calculated risk if you dont want to get eaten by a shark dont go in the ocean culling GWS would be a massive over reaction in my opinion. How many base jumpers die a year lets level all the mountains FFS. If you want to save some humans cull a few KFC executives


Mmmmmm all I can think about is deep fried white in KFCs 11 herbs and spices.....


jbshack
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1 Sep 2012 10:47am
Beelzebub said...

jbshack said...

You could say kids fall from trees and die , so let's cut down every tree. To bad when we have a oxygen issue. But hey the kids will nO longer fall from trees


Falling out of a tree is a subjective danger directly linked to climbing the tree. The tree climber can hence greatly influence the degree of danger. Being eaten by a shark is an objective danger that is not directly linked to surfing (e.g. Brain Guest was killed while crabbing). The surfer can do essentially nothing to mitigate the danger, as it is determined by external factors such as eco-warriors who artificially boost shark numbers.


Its exactly the same.

Don't climb the tree and you cant fall out of it..

Stay out of the water and you wont be eaten by a shark..

The next step is also the same.

Cut down all the trees and human existence will become very difficult..

Extinct a top predator like GW then our ocean ecosystem could be in serous danger. Lose the ocean as a ecosystem and we are in more trouble then cutting down all the worlds trees

The main argument is that people like yourself say GW shark numbers are ragging. But the experts, marine biologists, the worlds scientific brains trust all say that is not true. So why bother people like Suba studying (although id guess SUba is not studing for everyone else's reasons but his own) if people aren't going to listen to the advice they have to offer. This issue will still be ragging in ten maybe twenty years ill bet.

soleman
soleman
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1 Sep 2012 10:59am
you are one fried puppy JBS. the other day you were comparing alcohol consumption to the sharks in the ocean. Your comments keep getting stranger
Woodo
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1 Sep 2012 11:13am
[b]jbshack said...[/b

The main argument is that people like yourself say GW shark numbers are ragging. But the experts, marine biologists, the worlds scientific brains trust all say that is not true. So why bother people like Suba studying (although id guess SUba is not studing for everyone else's reasons but his own) if people aren't going to listen to the advice they have to offer. This issue will still be ragging in ten maybe twenty years ill bet.



Show me ACTUAL proof of this JB and I will rest my case. Not just he said she said.
I'd really like to see actual figures and data of these peoples findings and how they have come to this conclusion.
It seems like a crock to me when it has been openly admitted that when they made the decision to protect the GWS they actually didn't have any factual evidence to say that it was an endangered species.
SP
SP
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SP SP
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1 Sep 2012 11:15am
soleman said...

you are one fried puppy JBS. the other day you were comparing alcohol consumption to the sharks in the ocean. Your comments keep getting stranger


Says the guy who said this...

soleman said...

jbshack said...

soleman said...

jbshack said...
the third story was about a Asylum boat that has was in distress with 120 people on board.



Did you sell the people smugglers that boat JB? just joking if you can't see it


I can see it but sadly people have lost there lives. So I don't find it funny


should come legally then........ here we go!!!!

boofy
boofy
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1 Sep 2012 1:45pm
SP said...

boofy said...

Surfing is a calculated risk if you dont want to get eaten by a shark dont go in the ocean culling GWS would be a massive over reaction in my opinion. How many base jumpers die a year lets level all the mountains FFS. If you want to save some humans cull a few KFC executives


Mmmmmm all I can think about is deep fried white in KFCs 11 herbs and spices.....





Ha SP to funny kids meal could be called "GWS Snappy meal" but to many heavy metals in top of the food chain ocean predators
jbshack
jbshack
WA
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1 Sep 2012 11:58am
Woodo said...

[b]jbshack said...[/b

The main argument is that people like yourself say GW shark numbers are ragging. But the experts, marine biologists, the worlds scientific brains trust all say that is not true. So why bother people like Suba studying (although id guess SUba is not studing for everyone else's reasons but his own) if people aren't going to listen to the advice they have to offer. This issue will still be ragging in ten maybe twenty years ill bet.



Show me ACTUAL proof of this JB and I will rest my case. Not just he said she said.
I'd really like to see actual figures and data of these peoples findings and how they have come to this conclusion.
It seems like a crock to me when it has been openly admitted that when they made the decision to protect the GWS they actually didn't have any factual evidence to say that it was an endangered species.


I don't have the facts. But there is also no fact that there numbers have jumped. But then again if you search they are listed as endangered. I guess they didn't completely pick that number from there bum

My OPINION is that they are listed as endangered because of estimated numbers, that coupled with there breading patterns and gestation period, mortality of birth and then factor in things like fishing, commercial, habit change maybe and we now have a species that is endangered.

http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/animals/fish/great-white-shark/

Actually the same is said in the last paragraph of this page.

www.sharks-world.com/why_the_great_white_shark_is_endangered.html

This article has links that i haven't read but it talks about a estimate of less than 3500 left world wide. I will read it later though its intrigues me were they got the number from. My suggestion it would be a calculated guess at best But even if they were 100% wrong and there are 7000 world wide that is low numbers
www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/feb/19/great-white-shark-endangered-tiger
subasurf
subasurf
WA
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1 Sep 2012 12:00pm
Thank god for methyl mercury.
Woodo
Woodo
WA
792 posts
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1 Sep 2012 12:14pm
subasurf said...

Thank god for methyl mercury.


Mmm methyl mercury. Making me hungry.
Might have to crack open my thermometer.
Dawn Patrol
Dawn Patrol
WA
1991 posts
WA, 1991 posts
1 Sep 2012 12:44pm
How's this for a awkwardly placed 'featured photo'.



Woodo
Woodo
WA
792 posts
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1 Sep 2012 1:02pm
Dawn Patrol said...

How's this for a awkwardly placed 'featured photo'.






Haha!
That's just Suba carrying out his 'research'
soleman
soleman
WA
280 posts
WA, 280 posts
1 Sep 2012 1:11pm
Thats pretty funny!!
Mask
Mask
WA
293 posts
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1 Sep 2012 2:25pm
jbshack said...

Woodo said...

[b]jbshack said...[/b

The main argument is that people like yourself say GW shark numbers are ragging. But the experts, marine biologists, the worlds scientific brains trust all say that is not true. So why bother people like Suba studying (although id guess SUba is not studing for everyone else's reasons but his own) if people aren't going to listen to the advice they have to offer. This issue will still be ragging in ten maybe twenty years ill bet.



Show me ACTUAL proof of this JB and I will rest my case. Not just he said she said.
I'd really like to see actual figures and data of these peoples findings and how they have come to this conclusion.
It seems like a crock to me when it has been openly admitted that when they made the decision to protect the GWS they actually didn't have any factual evidence to say that it was an endangered species.


I don't have the facts. But there is also no fact that there numbers have jumped. But then again if you search they are listed as endangered. I guess they didn't completely pick that number from there bum

My OPINION is that they are listed as endangered because of estimated numbers, that coupled with there breading patterns and gestation period, mortality of birth and then factor in things like fishing, commercial, habit change maybe and we now have a species that is endangered.

http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/animals/fish/great-white-shark/

Actually the same is said in the last paragraph of this page.

www.sharks-world.com/why_the_great_white_shark_is_endangered.html

This article has links that i haven't read but it talks about a estimate of less than 3500 left world wide. I will read it later though its intrigues me were they got the number from. My suggestion it would be a calculated guess at best But even if they were 100% wrong and there are 7000 world wide that is low numbers
www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/feb/19/great-white-shark-endangered-tiger


You crack me up. Knocking off a few rampant great whites is not going to destroy your planet. You guys watch to many doccos!
Beelzebub
Beelzebub
WA
145 posts
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1 Sep 2012 3:10pm



You crack me up. Knocking off a few rampant great whites is not going to destroy your planet. You guys watch to many doccos!


The best scientific evidence to date: a 95% decline in large shark numbers was linked to an adverse effect on local scallops. So lets not compare culling of a marginal species like the GWS to chopping down all the trees on this planet. The GWS is literally a dinosaur, and would be missed as much as its terrestrial equivalent; the T-Rex.
rbl
rbl
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153 posts
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1 Sep 2012 8:47pm
scooobi just said u should do a 8 month (2 sem) thesis not thinking your gonna solve anything but thinking you can get the ball rolling with undergrad thesis, then others continue it, then someone does masters then someone else prof, and a number of people over a number of years comes up with a solution.

how do u think the americans came up with all their star wars toys.

think a doctor scoobi is a scary thought

Now the homemade cull is romured to have happened in south oz after that young guy was taken at blacks. He was involved with comm fishing and believe they sought revenge.
Deano
Deano
WA
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1 Sep 2012 9:40pm
3500 world wide divided by coastline which they frequent, inner habours, open ocean ect most likely equals a gws every tens of thousands of km of coast. Some how I doubt that number. There is plenty more than that. It just commen sense isn't it

Suba

Deano
jbshack
jbshack
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1 Sep 2012 9:57pm
Deano said...

3500 world wide divided by coastline which they frequent, inner habours, open ocean ect most likely equals a gws every tens of thousands of km of coast. Some how I doubt that number. There is plenty more than that. It just commen sense isn't it

Suba

Deano

That's the number the EXPERT group came up with in the article.
Great white sharks may be more endangered than tigers, with only a few thousand left in the world's oceans, according to a leading marine biologist.
The grim assessment suggests that fishing and collisions with shipping vessels have taken a devastating toll on the ancient predators.
The World Conservation Union, which operates the red list of endangered species, lists great white sharks as vulnerable but has no official estimate of their global population. But a recent survey suggests that great whites have fallen below 3,500 individuals, the number of tigers conservationists believe are left in the wild.
A team led by Barbara Block, a marine biologist at Stanford University, used radio transmitters to track more than 150 great white sharks off the coast of southern California.
"The estimated total population of great white sharks in the world's oceans is actually less than the number of tigers," said Ronald O'Dor, a senior scientist at the Census of Marine Life, an international collaboration that is cataloguing marine life.
"We hear an awful lot about how endangered tigers are, but apparently great white sharks are pretty close to the same level. Some people say 'I don't care, they eat people,' but I think we have to give them a little space to live in," O'Dor told the American Association for the Advancement of Science meeting in San Diego yesterday.
"The Australians have now got a system where they put tags on great white sharks and they have receivers on the beaches so when a great white comes into the bay the receiver automatically makes a cell phone call and tells the guy in charge to close the beach. So we can co-exist with marine life," he added.
In 2007, marine biologists at Dalhousie University in Canada analysed records from fisheries and research vessels dating from the 1970s to 2005 and found evidence for a dramatic fall in shark populations. Tiger sharks and scalloped hammerheads had declined more than 97% since the mid-1980s, while numbers of smooth hammerheads and bull sharks fell 99% off the east coast of the US.
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rbl
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1 Sep 2012 10:01pm
and one at scarbs yesterday, maybe they all live in WA
Source:FisheriesInfo:Fisheries advise a 4m great white was sighted 2 nautical miles off Scarborough Beach at 9:30am
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