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boylos
boylos
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4 Apr 2010 6:02pm

Finally I have started to get my board shed up ,and the boards out of the garage!

My mate welded the structure togeather ,and we will be putting the roof on soon.

It holds my

14ft C4 Vortice
11ft 6 Naish
9ft Bear surfboard
Kids nipper boards
Paddles

Cheers

Boylos


DavidJohn
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4 Apr 2010 6:12pm
Nice job Craig.. But where's the swing and slide for the kids? .. couldn't you add that to the end.. .

I'd get some pvc pipe and slot it so you can force it over the bars and then tape and pad them.. That way you can pop the nose on and walk it onto the racks with the pipe working as a roller.

DJ
oliver
oliver
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4 Apr 2010 4:23pm
Running the risk of sounding like a right prick here,it looks as though you have wasted some space. For a three board rack you could have made much more room with a better design. Personally I would have stored the boards vertically against the wall so you could walk through the side path without obstructions. But heck that's just me telling it as it is.

I guess your design is way more kid friendly though - they have some new monkey bars to swing off.
boylos
boylos
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4 Apr 2010 6:23pm
DavidJohn said...

Nice job Craig.. But where's the swing and slide for the kids? .. couldn't you add that to the end.. .

I'd get some pvc pipe and slot it so you can force it over the bars and then tape and pad them.. That way you can pop the nose on and walk it onto the racks with the pipe working as a roller.

DJ


The kids have enough toys! at the end is going to be closed in and become a storage shed.

I'll look into getting some Pvc pipe ,I thought of rollers but that sounds a cheaper option.

Boylos
boylos
boylos
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4 Apr 2010 6:33pm
oliver said...

Running the risk of sounding like a right prick here,it looks as though you have wasted some space. For a three board rack you could have made much more room with a better design. Personally I would have stored the boards vertically against the wall so you could walk through the side path without obstructions. But heck that's just me telling it as it is.

I guess your design is way more kid friendly though - they have some new monkey bars to swing off.


The problem with them being vertical is that they would of been way to high for the garage ,which would mean the garage roof couldn't slope down to cover the boards.
You also got to consider one board is 14ft!

Even though there are 3 racks there's still heaps of room for the kids nipper boards ,and other boards ..... so really it can hold upto 8 boards and some can also go on the ground.

Overall I'm stoked with it!

Boylos
OG SUP
OG SUP
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4 Apr 2010 8:18pm
Awesome work Craig,

lovin your work hope your bringing the Vortice to Mambo!

Phill
surfanimal
surfanimal
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4 Apr 2010 8:44pm
Hey mate,

Hope to see ya' next Saturday.

Is your neighbour OK with the racks ?

If not, and if he wanted to be a prick a complain to Council, they'd order it's removal as it's within 900mm of the boundary and classified as a 'structure' and any slab within 500mm of the boundary needs connected drainage and DA consent.

Maybe buy them a nice bottle of wine or a case of beer to ensure they are onside.

Looks great bro and sorry to cast doubt but I deal with that crap so often when neighbours want to cause trouble !

boylos
boylos
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4 Apr 2010 8:45pm
OG SUP said...

Awesome work Craig,

lovin your work hope your bringing the Vortice to Mambo!

Phill


Yeh mate the Vortice will becoming to this yr's Mambo !

Boylos
PTWoody
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4 Apr 2010 8:49pm
Looking good Boylos. I'm hoping to have my SUP Shack finished tomorrow. Here's a work in progress shot...



boylos
boylos
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4 Apr 2010 9:06pm
surfanimals said...

Hey mate,

Hope to see ya' next Saturday.

Is your neighbour OK with the racks ?

If not, and if he wanted to be a prick a complain to Council, they'd order it's removal as it's within 900mm of the boundary and classified as a 'structure' and any slab within 500mm of the boundary needs connected drainage and DA consent.

Maybe buy them a nice bottle of wine or a case of beer to ensure they are onside.

Looks great bro and sorry to cast doubt but I deal with that crap so often when neighbours want to cause trouble !




Mate my neighbours cool ,I already told him what I was doing and he didn't seem to care!

I'll see you for sure next Sat

Boylos
boylos
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4 Apr 2010 9:09pm
PTWoody said...

Looking good Boylos. I'm hoping to have my SUP Shack finished tomorrow. Here's a work in progress shot...






Looking good ..... looks like your've got heaps of room ![;) are you closing it in?

Boylos
oliver
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4 Apr 2010 7:14pm
PTWoody said...

Looking good Boylos. I'm hoping to have my SUP Shack finished tomorrow. Here's a work in progress shot...






Looks great - wood everywhere. I saw a website you might like treeporn.net/#_=_
PTWoody
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4 Apr 2010 9:27pm
boylos said...

Looking good ..... looks like your've got heaps of room ![;) are you closing it in?

Boylos



Not nearly as much space as I would have liked. I tend to do everything by eye and then discover later on how badly I've miscalculated. By failing to calculate.

I'll be cladding the outer wall in cedar shingles but leaving the "door" open.

I was going to run with horizontal rails exactly as you have done but Jonathan suggested racks to mount the boards on their rails against the walls so that I can walk into the shed. I think that is what Oliver was suggesting above.



oliver said...

Looks great - wood everywhere. I saw a website you might like treeporn.net/#_=_





You're only saying that because of my woody car, wood house, 4x wood SUPs, wood skateboard and wood iPhone. But it's not an addiction.




oliver
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4 Apr 2010 7:44pm
surfanimals said...

Is your neighbour OK with the racks ?

If not, and if he wanted to be a prick a complain to Council, they'd order it's removal as it's within 900mm of the boundary and classified as a 'structure' and any slab within 500mm of the boundary needs connected drainage and DA consent.



I'm not sure about that. I've got a similar thing at my place and we got away with it after our retired builder neighbor complained to council. Our builder called it a 'lean to' (which doesn't need council approval, nor a gutter).

I'm not being terribly technical here but in the shire of Glen Eira in the state of Victoria if the lean to is of a certain width, which I think yours is, it's no problem. Fricken Nanny state.
tha dogman
tha dogman
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4 Apr 2010 10:19pm
PTWoody said...

Looking good Boylos. I'm hoping to have my SUP Shack finished tomorrow. Here's a work in progress shot...






throw a few cross braces on that baby to take the wobble out of it before you clad it


surfanimal
surfanimal
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4 Apr 2010 10:53pm
oliver said...

surfanimals said...

Is your neighbour OK with the racks ?

If not, and if he wanted to be a prick a complain to Council, they'd order it's removal as it's within 900mm of the boundary and classified as a 'structure' and any slab within 500mm of the boundary needs connected drainage and DA consent.



I'm not sure about that. I've got a similar thing at my place and we got away with it after our retired builder neighbor complained to council. Our builder called it a 'lean to' (which doesn't need council approval, nor a gutter).

I'm not being terribly technical here but in the shire of Glen Eira in the state of Victoria if the lean to is of a certain width, which I think yours is, it's no problem. Fricken Nanny state.


Hey Oliver,

I know you rate yourself and I'm one dimensional and all (refer your PM to me the other week) but.......I manage and have done so for some years now a team of Building Surveyors / Compliance Officer's and would not make such a statement to a mate without knowing my facts.

The closest it rates is 'balconies, decks, patios, pergolas, terraces and verandahs' which it is none of located under NSW legislation at;

www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/scanview/inforce/s/1/?EPITITLE=%22State%20Environmental%20Planning%20Policy%20(Exempt%20and%20Complying%20Development%20Codes)%202008%22&nohits=y

It could be loosely classed though using descretion (as we have delegation to use) although you'll note the 900mm etc. There is no 'lean to' noted as exempt in the policy.....not exempt = requires DA consent (or at best a CDC).

Cheers, Chris.
oliver
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4 Apr 2010 9:06pm
Hey Surfanimals, I didn't kill no Lindberg kid - I'm just saying that we got away with our construction that looked very similar to boylos's by calling it a 'lean to' (It also goes right up to the border). I don't doubt that you are probably the expert in these matters for your particular council in NSW.

If you want, you can help my neighbor's fight to get ours pulled down. I reckon you would get on well with the old coot.
laceys lane
laceys lane
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4 Apr 2010 11:41pm
PTWoody said...

Looking good Boylos. I'm hoping to have my SUP Shack finished tomorrow. Here's a work in progress shot...






i believe the timber is cypress by the looks? do you have termite worries down there?, if so that timber is the ticket
cheers
PTWoody
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4 Apr 2010 11:47pm
laceys lane said...


i believe the timber is cypress by the looks? do you have termite worries down there?, if so that timber is the ticket
cheers




Yes it certainly is Cypress on the uprights. I was happy to go with Treated Pine but the lumber yard guys convinced me that cypress was a better option. I've never seen a termite in this neck of the woods.
surfanimal
surfanimal
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5 Apr 2010 6:17am
oliver said...

Hey Surfanimals, I didn't kill no Lindberg kid - I'm just saying that we got away with our construction that looked very similar to boylos's by calling it a 'lean to' (It also goes right up to the border). I don't doubt that you are probably the expert in these matters for your particular council in NSW.

If you want, you can help my neighbor's fight to get ours pulled down. I reckon you would get on well with the old coot.




You may have 'got away with it ' my friend although the regs are in place for fire safety reasons and to provide a buffer so your neighbour may well have just been trying to prevent your issue becoming his problem in the unlikely event of an incident.

I'm glad I could provide constructive advice for Boylos. I don't comment on matters I know nothing on so was righting the ship for you.

Chin up.

laceys lane
laceys lane
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5 Apr 2010 9:14am
PTWoody said...

laceys lane said...


i believe the timber is cypress by the looks? do you have termite worries down there?, if so that timber is the ticket
cheers




Yes it certainly is Cypress on the uprights. I was happy to go with Treated Pine but the lumber yard guys convinced me that cypress was a better option. I've never seen a termite in this neck of the woods.


if you are leaving access open, it will certainly look better than treated pine and suit the house from what i can see.cutting cypress makes your nose run and if you get a splinter and don't get it out, it will be infected next day- no wonder termites are keen on the stuff
cheers
husq2100
husq2100
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5 Apr 2010 12:37pm
Regarding DA,BA and regulations, remember that each state is different and even council to council it depends on their and the person on the days inturpretation.

looks good, and while Dura Gal is a great choice, I feel for you mate having to grind back the gal for welding, and I hope he had good ventilation. The fumes coming from Gal are very nasty.......also stay away from gasless welding wire (GMAW or Mig)

using the steel over timber has saved you room as well, compare the section sizes of both. While im a carpenter and wood is easy for me, steel is king for projects like this.

Now your only problem is you've made more room in the garage for more boards
Simondo
Simondo
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5 Apr 2010 2:22pm
Nice racks ! Ignore the thumbs. Yes, council rules are different everywhere... if your neighbor complains, sock him ! I'm sure you're mates with the neighbors anyway ! Yours (top pic) is easy open storage, for boards with fins...

Here's a really simple vertical racking system, slightly more suited to shortboards, or SUP's under 9'6 if your ceilings are under 9'6 ! I'm lucky, my garage is 10'6 high. But the Naish 14 is strung up to the ceiling joists.

I painted a piece of 3x2 (75x50) (paint is optional ), and bought some 20mm dowel, and used a 20mm drill bit, then the dowel pieces just jam in there. If slightly loose use some tape, or wax (not glue, so it remains easy to unassemble one day). Then screw it to the wall. Actually, I screwed to wall, then inserted in the dowel. The rack does not carry any weight, and the dowel just acts as spacers between boards. Some cheap foam at the base to protect noses and tails is also good.

Cost, was probably about $30-$40 odd, for a racking system that receives about 15 boards. Cost might be $10-$15 for 4-5 boards.



Simondo
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5 Apr 2010 2:36pm
I used this system in the garage in Avalon in Sydney....

Find the wall studs, mark-out where you will drill your holes, drill in at an angle (option to use a black mark on drill bit, to mark how far you drill in), poke the dowel in.

This system was great for holding about 5-6 short boards and a mal (all horizontally), and I even had a windsurfer on the top rack, with boom, sails, and mast, so it should hold an SUP too.

The dowel bar locks in nice and tight. When we moved to Torquay, I pulled the dowel out, and made the next rack (the one pictured above).



Simondo
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5 Apr 2010 5:32pm
I meant to say, a bit of shade cloth on the outdoor racks would be good. The power of direct sun, and expansion of air (gas) as it heat up.... it does horrible things to board in the long run.... hence breathing screws in big boards.... Don't underestimate the power of the sun.... if you have a stringer in the board, the fibreglass and resin will bond to the stringer, and "pop away" from the foam.... we call this "de-lamination" !! A very bad thing !
boylos
boylos
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5 Apr 2010 6:00pm
Simondo said...

I meant to say, a bit of shade cloth on the outdoor racks would be good. The power of direct sun, and expansion of air (gas) as it heat up.... it does horrible things to board in the long run.... hence breathing screws in big boards.... Don't underestimate the power of the sun.... if you have a stringer in the board, the fibreglass and resin will bond to the stringer, and "pop away" from the foam.... we call this "de-lamination" !! A very bad thing !


Cheers everyone..... once the new roof goes on and a door all tin plus there will be guttering down the side which will lead to a water tank.
There's plenty of air flow as there will be a gap under the door ,plus I have used the fence as another wall ,which there is a big gap for ventalation .

Once it's all finished I'll send some pics ............... then well see who's going to have a pick at it!

Boylos
oliver
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5 Apr 2010 5:07pm
I took a photo of our lean to this arvo. This is what I mean by vertical - the boards are stacked up against the wall - and all are off the ground. I guess it's not as neat as your board rack boylos, but I have older kids with bikes, fishing rods, bins and other sh!t stored in there as well and can still walk through.

I'm not supposed to have three boards and I think it would be a bit hard to have all three leaning against the wall - as it would be to high to access.

I bought some timber hooks from Bunnings to secure the boards I use a occy strap to secure the big board to the wall and a hook which works to secure my stonker to the wall using the board bag handles.



Surfanimals - as you can see I have no gutters and the lean to goes right up to the fence - I'm guessing my neighbor is probably similar to you. After he complained, the council guy came in looked at the structure, asked some questions. I then refered the council nanny to our builder and haven't heard anything further in a year - my guess is he probably thought our neighbor is whining tool.
laceys lane
laceys lane
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5 Apr 2010 7:29pm
oliver said...

I took a photo of our lean to this arvo. This is what I mean by vertical - the boards are stacked up against the wall - and all are off the ground. I guess it's not as neat as your board rack boylos, but I have older kids with bikes, fishing rods, bins and other sh!t stored in there as well and can still walk through.

I'm not supposed to have three boards and I think it would be a bit hard to have all three leaning against the wall - as it would be to high to access.

I bought some timber hooks from Bunnings to secure the boards I use a occy strap to secure the big board to the wall and a hook which works to secure my stonker to the wall using the board bag handles.



Surfanimals - as you can see I have no gutters and the lean to goes right up to the fence - I'm guessing my neighbor is probably similar to you. After he complained, the council guy came in looked at the structure, asked some questions. I then refered the council nanny to our builder and haven't heard anything further in a year - my guess is he probably thought our neighbor is whining tool.


whats the blue board oliver?
oliver
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5 Apr 2010 5:32pm
That's the one I'm not supposed to have - it's a dc 9'4" (cam's old one) and I love it - but I lost the vent screw on my first outing so I've only ever used it once.
surfanimal
surfanimal
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5 Apr 2010 8:39pm
Oh Oliver, what they say about you just get closer by the day.

Just for the record. I worked for the Council in Boylos' local area for 7 years. The criteria is now 'State' wide and not 'Local' so what I use in my area is mirrored in Boylos' Shire.

I issue Demo orders for that type of activity often, which I dislike, more enjoy, inground pool demo, factory complex's without valid consent and the like as I can prosecute those as they are blatent developments.

Your neighbour has a valid issue as an internal fire in yours, branches to the 'lean to' on the boundary and has direct access to his property.....I've seen it happen - actually pulled a body out of a dwelling due to a neighbouring fire which hopped when in the cops.

I really don't care......was offering boylos an informed nudge. As for your continued gripe. Just grow up and spend the time learning to surf / sup bro.

The End.
surfanimal
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5 Apr 2010 8:40pm
oliver said...

That's the one I'm not supposed to have - it's a dc 9'4" (cam's old one) and I love it - but I lost the vent screw on my first outing so I've only ever used it once.


As you do !



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