Gorgo said...

Hi Blane

Are these boards going to appear as production models? I'm looking forward to trying out a demo board.

Hey Gorgo, there are 2 styles of PSH, 'Chambers Hulls' in the pipeline.

The first batch are Hull Hybrids for all round paddling and surfing.
These are currently in production and will be with us soon.
These first boards will suit those looking to extend the range of both paddling and surfing performance in an intermediate package. They will also make a great second performance funboard for the advanced guys. They will be priced to grow your quiver without breaking the bank.

9'7" x 32" Vol = 160 L

10'2" x 33" Vol = 182 L

10'10" x 33 3/4" Vol = 210 L

The Hull Rippers will be available later this year in Bamboo veneer, initially the focus will be on high performance Rippers, sub 9'6.

AA said...

Gorgo said...

Hi Blane

Are these boards going to appear as production models? I'm looking forward to trying out a demo board.

Hey Gorgo, there are 2 styles of PSH, 'Chambers Hulls' in the pipeline.

The first batch are Hull Hybrids for all round paddling and surfing.
These are currently in production and will be with us soon.
These first boards will suit those looking to extend the range of both paddling and surfing performance in an intermediate package. They will also make a great second performance funboard for the advanced guys. They will be priced to grow your quiver without breaking the bank.

9'7" x 32" Vol = 160 L

10'2" x 33" Vol = 182 L

10'10" x 33 3/4" Vol = 210 L

The Hull Rippers will be available later this year in Bamboo veneer, initially the focus will be on high performance Rippers, sub 9'6.

When will the 12'6" race hybrid be coming out?

AA said...



Chambers Hull Hybrid

Very nice Andrew so when do the first batch arrive ? Like the red paddle BTW

Hey AA,,,,any chance of seeing the flipside of that red board and also can you tell us a little about the paddles.

cheers

And that's what I mean by a 'continuous rocker' that allows you to surf more easily in the pocket. Definitely pull the tail in a whole lot more though!

goatman said...

And that's what I mean by a 'continuous rocker' that allows you to surf more easily in the pocket. Definitely pull the tail in a whole lot more though!

Goater, just trying to understand , do you mean mono curve or something like that where the rocker is more like a constant radius with maybe a kick at the front?

Logman. I love these discussions, the best bit is there are no wrongs and rights. I wish we were sitting around a table with beer though.

I have never spoken about scaling up Mick Fannings 6'1 x 18 1/4. The result would be too low volumed.

Take for example the board above. Let's say it is 6'0 x 19 3/4. If you simply multiply the vital dimensions x 1.4 you end up with 8'4 x 28. If you took the nose and tail rocker of say 5 inches in the nose and 2 1/4 in the tail you end up with 7 inches nose rocker and 3.5 tail. They sound like they could be performance SUP dimensions to me.

I worked for a very respected shaper for a long time and he always taught me that if you take similar curves in rockers and outline they will react in a similar way in the same parts of the wave.

If the benchmark of performance is shortboarding then why would you not look at shortboard design if you intend to surf in a similar way?? I know for a fact that some popular SUP designs have been directly scaled up from shortboard fishes already. To say it holds no water at all is a little off the mark. Even that guy in Hawaii Jimmy Lewis said in his interview he just copied his sons shortboard.

The difference is we need to stand up to paddle and that takes allowances in the design, the challenge and what people are dealing with is making boards that perform while still being stable.

Can things be better? I hope so. Can Blane, Dale, DTM, DMS etc etc find better ways to blend performance with paddleability? Of course but to not look at what already works is like trying to invent a round thing that you can put on a car to let it go down the road. Hang on we have one already, it's called a wheel........

CMC said...

Logman. I love these discussions, the best bit is there are no wrongs and rights. I wish we were sitting around a table with beer though.

I have never spoken about scaling up Mick Fannings 6'1 x 18 1/4. The result would be too low volumed.

Take for example the board above. Let's say it is 6'0 x 19 3/4. If you simply multiply the vital dimensions x 1.4 you end up with 8'4 x 28. If you took the nose and tail rocker of say 5 inches in the nose and 2 1/4 in the tail you end up with 7 inches nose rocker and 3.5 tail. They sound like they could be performance SUP dimensions to me.

I worked for a very respected shaper for a long time and he always taught me that if you take similar curves in rockers and outline they will react in a similar way in the same parts of the wave.

If the benchmark of performance is shortboarding then why would you not look at shortboard design if you intend to surf in a similar way?? I know for a fact that some popular SUP designs have been directly scaled up from shortboard fishes already. To say it holds no water at all is a little off the mark. Even that guy in Hawaii Jimmy Lewis said in his interview he just copied his sons shortboard.

The difference is we need to stand up to paddle and that takes allowances in the design, the challenge and what people are dealing with is making boards that perform while still being stable.

Can things be better? I hope so. Can Blane, Dale, DTM, DMS etc etc find better ways to blend performance with paddleability? Of course but to not look at what already works is like trying to invent a round thing that you can put on a car to let it go down the road. Hang on we have one already, it's called a wheel........

Fantastic post CMC.

62mac said...

CMC said...

Logman. I love these discussions, the best bit is there are no wrongs and rights. I wish we were sitting around a table with beer though.

I have never spoken about scaling up Mick Fannings 6'1 x 18 1/4. The result would be too low volumed.

Take for example the board above. Let's say it is 6'0 x 19 3/4. If you simply multiply the vital dimensions x 1.4 you end up with 8'4 x 28. If you took the nose and tail rocker of say 5 inches in the nose and 2 1/4 in the tail you end up with 7 inches nose rocker and 3.5 tail. They sound like they could be performance SUP dimensions to me.

I worked for a very respected shaper for a long time and he always taught me that if you take similar curves in rockers and outline they will react in a similar way in the same parts of the wave.

If the benchmark of performance is shortboarding then why would you not look at shortboard design if you intend to surf in a similar way?? I know for a fact that some popular SUP designs have been directly scaled up from shortboard fishes already. To say it holds no water at all is a little off the mark. Even that guy in Hawaii Jimmy Lewis said in his interview he just copied his sons shortboard.

The difference is we need to stand up to paddle and that takes allowances in the design, the challenge and what people are dealing with is making boards that perform while still being stable.

Can things be better? I hope so. Can Blane, Dale, DTM, DMS etc etc find better ways to blend performance with paddleability? Of course but to not look at what already works is like trying to invent a round thing that you can put on a car to let it go down the road. Hang on we have one already, it's called a wheel........

Fantastic post CMC.

Here, Here!!

nev said...


I want to get away from the main peaks and surf the uncrowded spots like river mouths and distant banks, they type of spots usually have shifty peaks that have to be chased so you need glide and speed to chase them down.

The trend towards short, low volume and heavy rocker seems like it puts you back into the zoo, chasing performance type waves with all the rest. Its getting out of the zoo that is one of the main attractions of SUP for me.

I can see the marketing appeal of these "shortboard" looking boards and on the right waves they do look unreal just don't know if adding another surfcraft to compete with an all ready strained supply of performance waves is a good idea. For me I would rather surf these type waves on a regular board and the rest on a SUB,there are heaps of great waves out there if you look and have the right gear.

Hey Nev, I agree, I don't want to surf with all the aggro either, but it is a fallacy that shorter, low volume sups don't paddle well IMO, maybe not as quick as a 10 footer but can still keep up with the Mals no probs. We surf all sorts of weird spots here in Sydney that can require a 20 minute paddle.

I agree, they don't suit everyone, but the ones we are riding will go in anything even small fat cr@p that we get regularly in Summer.

CMC said...

Logman. I love these discussions, the best bit is there are no wrongs and rights. I wish we were sitting around a table with beer though.

I have never spoken about scaling up Mick Fannings 6'1 x 18 1/4. The result would be too low volumed.

Take for example the board above. Let's say it is 6'0 x 19 3/4. If you simply multiply the vital dimensions x 1.4 you end up with 8'4 x 28. If you took the nose and tail rocker of say 5 inches in the nose and 2 1/4 in the tail you end up with 7 inches nose rocker and 3.5 tail. They sound like they could be performance SUP dimensions to me.

I worked for a very respected shaper for a long time and he always taught me that if you take similar curves in rockers and outline they will react in a similar way in the same parts of the wave.

If the benchmark of performance is shortboarding then why would you not look at shortboard design if you intend to surf in a similar way?? I know for a fact that some popular SUP designs have been directly scaled up from shortboard fishes already. To say it holds no water at all is a little off the mark. Even that guy in Hawaii Jimmy Lewis said in his interview he just copied his sons shortboard.

The difference is we need to stand up to paddle and that takes allowances in the design, the challenge and what people are dealing with is making boards that perform while still being stable.

Can things be better? I hope so. Can Blane, Dale, DTM, DMS etc etc find better ways to blend performance with paddleability? Of course but to not look at what already works is like trying to invent a round thing that you can put on a car to let it go down the road. Hang on we have one already, it's called a wheel........

yeah totaly agree CMC only a fool would right off current shortboards designs when they are so high performance ATM its crazy the stuff the kids are pulling these days , i go down to northy and see 12 yr olds doing air 360 sick!!!!
But i do think its great Blane is on his thing and trying something new and different hope it works for him and everyone loves it you gotta try stuff to find what works for you best.

CMC said...


Take for example the board above. Let's say it is 6'0 x 19 3/4. If you simply multiply the vital dimensions x 1.4 you end up with 8'4 x 28. If you took the nose and tail rocker of say 5 inches in the nose and 2 1/4 in the tail you end up with 7 inches nose rocker and 3.5 tail. They sound like they could be performance SUP dimensions to me.

I worked for a very respected shaper for a long time and he always taught me that if you take similar curves in rockers and outline they will react in a similar way in the same parts of the wave.

How is it possible that say a 6'0x 19 3/4 scaled up in any way react in a similar way in the same part of a wave? The fact that it is 6'0 and not 5'8, 6'6,7'7, 8'4 etc is what makes it react in that way.

CMC said...

surf4fun said...

CMC said...


Take for example the board above. Let's say it is 6'0 x 19 3/4. If you simply multiply the vital dimensions x 1.4 you end up with 8'4 x 28. If you took the nose and tail rocker of say 5 inches in the nose and 2 1/4 in the tail you end up with 7 inches nose rocker and 3.5 tail. They sound like they could be performance SUP dimensions to me.

I worked for a very respected shaper for a long time and he always taught me that if you take similar curves in rockers and outline they will react in a similar way in the same parts of the wave.

How is it possible that say a 6'0x 19 3/4 scaled up in any way react in a similar way in the same part of a wave? The fact that it is 6'0 and not 5'8, 6'6,7'7, 8'4 etc is what makes it react in that way.

You may have missed what I was trying to say. Take 2 surfers. One of them is 5'6 and 55 kilograms, he rides the 5'7 x 18 3/8 version. The next is 80 kgs he rides the 6'0 x 19 3/4 version. The same 80 kg guy rides a stand up paddle version at 8'4 x 28. When the fictitious board was designed all 3 times all design elements including the rails, outline and rocker are kept constant but scaled mathematically.

My thought is and I am happy to be told I am wrong is that you need to make allowances for weight of the board, extended turning arcs etc but that especially the short boards will provide the same kind of ride for the 2 surfers.

The SUP version while blown right up so that the guy can stand on it to paddle with heavily increased volume and surface area on it's own and surfed prone would be quite different. BUT the SUP surfer has a paddle. If he knows how to use it (there's the qualifier) he has a vastly increased leverage over the board making it not feel exactly like his 6'0 but maybe a 6'8 or 6'10 version of it if he was lying down. Still feeling like the same board but a bit bigger. Where DTM and Blane are trying to get to if I am correct are boards that can be paddled and still perform like the 6'0 version so that the performance level can reach where it could be.

Logman - Love your work, can I cook the steaks at the SUP off on the BBQ?

Nev - I agree with you. I like being able to ride different waves also, I have not found just as Goaty said that it has really changed that for me. It is wobbly in bumpy conditions though.

The one thing you forget to scale is the wave. Physically an 8" wouldn't fit into the same part of a wave as a 6" unless the wave is scaled up as well. If the wave is scaled by say 1.4 then you can compare apples with apples, but if you look at the highly refined boards of those on the dream tour they are not designed to surf slop, which if you look at the majority of reviews on here most start out with it was cross on short slop. So if you start out with a 6" designed for 4-6" beach breaks then a sup scaled up would react the same if it was 6-8".

Only through a lot of YouTube.

I don't mean to hijack but jeez, they must be making boards a lot stronger these days.

DJ