Sorry can't "quote" vey well

Watch out Longboarding, Kiteboarding, Windsurfing, and what the heck Land yachting )because they get in the way when I am walking back to the car) you are next...in that order

Sorry, I'm not sure where you are heading, but by what i am hearing it sounds like you have a real issue with SUP's

Legion said...

Kagey said...

I did like your original query re 'snaking', yes it caused plenty of debate....but that wasn't your real motive was it

Yeah, it was. Because currently I wouldn't go for a wave in any of those situations, I'd consider them the SUPers waves. I'd consider myself a snake or dropping in if I did. But given the paddling advantage you guys have, if you choose to go for a wave there's nothing I can do about it. You can catch any wave well before it even becomes a wave and you're already standing.

And like you've already had it pointed out to you, you are preaching to the converted re being wave greedy on a sup so please just let it lie.

goatman said...

doggie said...

You guys are your own worst enemy.

Just curious, do you actually ride a SUP? You seem to have a lot of negative opinion about them.

I have ridden one, and I have respect for people that do it well as I found it difficult and ive been around boats and surf all my life, its not my cup of tea but as I have said, I dont surf around them. And they are my opinions. I dont have to like them do I?

Can someone pass the popcorn please

Oh and there are some nice sup pics on this thread!

Phill

Thats better

doggie said...

Thats better

Quality right there Now here is a thought for you( except for a booga ) anyone that can seriously attack this peak on a sub or shortboard I would respect and have a beer with no worries. See boy's these are the type of waves to sort the kooks from the clowns and the newbies from the charger on either board.

I would surf that on my shortboard or my sub

Brooko said...

doggie said...

Thats better

Quality right there Now here is a thought for you( except for a booga ) anyone that can seriously attack this peak on a sub or shortboard I would respect and have a beer with no worries. See boy's these are the type of waves to sort the kooks from the clowns and the newbies from the charger on either board.

I would surf that on my shortboard or my sub

I have surfed it, its in the Mentawis.

I dont really understand the attraction to SUPs, I wouldnt mind putting a sail on one tho

Nice pic,

but i doubt you would have too many noobie suppers causing you issues there would you?

If you have the skill to surf cranking reef breaks etc then I dont think you have anything to fear from suppers at all.

You hardly if ever see suppers at winki for example unless it small and useless to short boarders, same applies to bells, beakon etc etc.

The few who sup these places when its cranking know what theyre about anyway.
Those that dont again dont last long.

When I see guys trying to surf PRK etc on Shorties I think they must have a submissive side and enjoy getting flogged, its a mal, sup wave.

I guess pick your break!

Phill

Checked out your thread doggie some sick waves over there.
Al byrne does the best channels, he came over and surfed solid Margarets main break a couple of years ago, charged it for an old fella . He does all my mates boards!

I was enjoying this thread but I think it has gone full circle now.

I'm still not sure what you meant by wanting to understanding SUP "mentality", or what we are "thinking" and don't see that it is going to make any difference to you Legion. I think those that called you out on the purpose of your post are right, because from your responses it seems pretty obvious that it doesn't matter what anyone says, you aren't going to countenance that there is any place on your little world for SUP's and you are going to keep your distance, no matter what.

Fine, that's your choice...go out and get a few waves and have fun.

I've been surfing short boards for 45 years, and still do (although by your definition that automatically makes me a kook - I hope that you can still get out there amongst it, when you can say you have been surfing that long). I have to say that it seems to me that the stoke that is very self-evident amongst us who SUP was sadly lost to the most of the rest of the surfing community years ago.

I have also found the majority of people on this forum generous with their time, help and their equipment in order to give others a chance to give it a go and guidance about getting into the sport. This also applies to trying to educate those who haven't come to the sport from a surfing background about the etiquette out in the waves. Most of the people I know who SUP come from a full-on surfing background and know all about "pecking order" etc, but they are much more willing to share waves than those who have "earned" (whatever that means) a top notch in the lineup. But sharing doesn't mean being pushed around. I am very mindful of not hogging waves and calling others on to them, but if everyone is getting their share and I'm on the inside on a set wave, I'm going.

Legion said...

Waterhorse said...

Reading this post I get the feeling it was to stir the pot and thats what it did.

*Sigh* I'm not trolling.

MickV said...

I'm not sure why you're terrified.

Because of this:

Just Wrong said...

... someone came with an idea of how to get into the wave earlier.

OK, here was my devil's advocate question:

What if a crew of tow surfers turned up at your break and started taking all the sets because they could? They'd have an advantage over you and the mals and the shortboards and the boogers. Would that scare you?

That's a similar scenario to SUP to me, but it's been prevented by the $ barrier, and they seem to self-regulate to some extent. If they don't, there's generally a fair amount of complaining (e.g. there was a topic on here recently about towing by lacey's lane or someone). I don't come across tow-ins often since they do seem to go to less accessible waves and there just aren't many of them around (here). I'm afraid of SUPs because you have a similar advantage but it has the potential to become much more popular and to frequent the more popular spots.

Same sort of thing with windsurfers or kitesurfers or surfboats or ... etc. The wind-powered guys don't often clash with wave riders because if it's that windy we're not out. The surfboats are often complained about and are hugely dangerous but thankfully there aren't many around. SUP OTOH are in direct competition with me. If it's good for surfing, it's good for SUPing.

Legion, if they showed up and towed then it be hopeful that it would be big enough to justify towing. If it 8ft plus, then hell no wouldn't bother me at all. If it was 4ft then hell yeah it would.
Unfortunately yeah there are people that SUP that hog waves and use the ability of the board and paddle to get into waves early to do just that. The shorter the SUP, the harder it is to do that. Yeah we do use the paddle as an additional pivot point, but you do have to get it over on the rail just as much. You also have to move your back foot from fin to fin to get as much punch out of the turn as possible. And ignore the calls to try SUP, too many doing it already and too crowded. Not getting my fair share of waves as a result.

Don't be scared of SUP, we are only human beings.

goatman said...

doggie said...

So how am I a troll?

Google it tool!!!

So Im not allowed to have an opinion? Ouch!

doggie said...

Brooko said...

Doggie the attraction for me was that I wanted more water time with out having to get a mal for conditions i normally would not bother with on a shortboard.

After working my way through big boards and head high surf I progressed to what you would call a high performance sub a 9 6" quad and a custom 8 6". I love a challenge and started taking these boards out in waves I would normally ride a 6 6" or 6 8" on .

After a while I realized how much I was loving the challenge and how i could take off as deep and earlier than i was after 20 yrs on a shortboard.

I have been barreled on my backhand on my sub and can say, it can be done and i am enjoying it is much as surfing a shortboard

Thanks Brooko

i would reckon 50% of sup riders are or were shortboarders and by nature are progressively using shorter and shorter boards. anyway, there must be something to sups or have we all got our heads screwed on backwards
cheers