Anybody from Victoria care to comment you are sorely missed or are you flatwater dudes!

BINGO

Yep, Blown Up Shortboards do OK.

Yes, you could blow up a McTavish Egg, or a Channel Islands Generation 2 Single Fin.

Take a 6'6 x 21"1/2 x 3" performance fun board, weather that be a fish, thruster fish, or egg, or fun single fin, factor it up by 1.4, and you are pretty close to 9'0 x 30" x 4"1/4. Sounds like a quiver of fun SUP's to me already !!

Yes, it takes some experience from the shaper, to know exactly what is working best, in certain conditions, getting the rails right, rocker, concaves, overall volume to suit the rider, etc, etc.

Even take a big wave gun, 10'0 x 20" x 3 factored by 1.4, is 14' x 28" x 4"1/4, and you won't be that far away from Rob Machado's cruiser. Flatten the rocker a touch though.

Im an old person who should be playing lawn bowls .. but one of the advantages of being an old person is to have more options and more spare time ... and as I dont have kids to put through University I have had the option of buying a new SUP whenever a new idea came out .... I have a roof full of the rotten things .. I started with a Red One ... which was shaped on the Goldie by a genius ... it even had a carry handle in the bottom of the board not the deck cause I may hurt myself if I stepped in the hole .. a great shape very similar to the early C4s .. then had two (2) Bob Mc boards and rode All of his early ones .... Then I went to Noosa for the weekend and purchased A Josh board ( the black and white striped one which he won a contest on) ... it was a blown up plan shape from his Mal shaped by a real shaping bay Guru .. This board is fantastic for those lazy days in small clean surf .... but everyone was riding C4s .. so I got a blue one .. Still wasn't doing the stuff Brian was doing .. So another skinny Bob Mc ... also a blue one ... Then I became desperate and got myself a Starboard .... a white one, 30 inches wide and 9"8" long and a funny round nose with a swallow tail and finally a sensible carry handle .. I think it was shaped by a few Nordic people ... But for Me it was better than ones which were shaped by legends ... It wasn't built to do stuff which was impossible for me to do But I rode it in places from Spookies to Padang Padang . Because it worked for me .. I got another one with a different plan shape ( I dont think they chaneg the nose shapes ... but this new one was yellow ... then a shorter blue one !!!!! and I suppose in the process I was sending A lot of Thai people to expensive night clubs .. But right now I am in Bali riding a pocket rocket ( and for those still interested ... a lovely candy colour deck) Now I dont really know anyone from Starboard who actually shapes the little devils .. But they are in Bali all the time testing and I guess they are on those windy West Oz beaches and other places doing the same thing ....cause they can afford it !!!!! .... I have ridden every Starboard from the 6'6" to the really long ones because I was lucky enough to be at Cunggu when Peter Cox arrived with a Toyota full of testers .... and while they seem to be making the same board all the time somehow It does not feel like it ... Their catalogue is full of designs which may all look the same but ride differently .... the best boards I have owned are ones which have gone through this process .... Now Im finally getting to my point here so please stick with me ... I first met Bob Mc during the "shortboard revolution " Bob would start with square rails on boards then do a rail job in flour and resin and most of the time wait till it dried ... then then go out till it surfed well .... then try something else till it worked better . Thats my first experience of R&D .. To quote someone really famous ... "Most guys are riding short boards which only pro surfers should be riding!! "Thats a quote from Kelly Slater ( well thats what I think he would have said if anyone had asked him) ... Woody Jack and DC and Luke are doing a great job but are restricted by the number of models they can bring out ... So they are going for the sharp end of the market .. I have ridden Woodies and DCs .. But its not one for me ... I ride a board tested on retirees and developed by guys who have the opportunity to hack up a lump of expensive foam and make a new model every month ..... A few years has been huge changes in design ... Im a slightly different rider than I was 5 years ago and so are my boards .. Perhaps someone should get the Dogman to run up the road raid my roof and do a retro tester on the eleven boards there ( nobody wants a second hand board especially in Yamba ) .. I remember Roger as a SUpuppy saying his 10'6" C4 was "the best board ever made on this or any other planet " ... Now while IM really going for the record of the longest Tirade on Seabreeze since the battle of Port Phillip Bay . we all know that we are still in SUP development ... We have so many directions to go... Do we have to make them all into one design types which can do floaters and turn like a shortboard but we cant paddle them is anything with a bit of side chop ... or ones where we can nose ride till the judges give perfect 10s ... we are all better off to have guys like Woody Jack and DC and Luke and Bob Mc etc to get involved and keep spitting out radical new designs ... But IM off to the West coast of Bali to ride a Candy Coloured SUP shaped by a Pole Dancer ...

and don't call me "dude"

billboard said...

The best part of all this is that the shortboard shapers were the last on the sup scene and now want to change it to suit them and as such make a claim on the sport. If it wasnt for windsurfers and longboard shapers stand up paddling in its modern form wouldn't even exist for us to have these wonderful discussions.

Shortboard shapers last on the scene???????????? What????????????

You contradict yourself every minute. In the beginning of SUP here in QLD and Ausytralia when there was basically C4 only, C4 Paddles, Chris G, Dale C, Dan McDonald and Woody were already making SUP boards for a good amount of time. (Naish was not even here yet and they arrived extremely early) The boys were ripping on them also. The other option at that time was actually Infront that was before all of them here on the Coast.

If I remember correctly Mick D, Jamie M and DW Phil were first here to ride SUP and possibly the first in Australia even. These guys were on C4 (Mick) (shaped by a ex shortboard pro by the way Dave Parmenter) Jamie had a Chris Garret (ooops another shortboard shaper.....) and DW Phil on Infront shaped by a clubby board guy, possibly Birsey now of Lahui Kai. Yep, last on the scene alright, shortboard guys made the scene.

If you're gonna pretend you know something and make claims that belittle others opinions at least actually know something.

Your head was still in the clouds at that time thinking your longboards were great and calling me a stand up goat boater riding some ridiculous board with a paddle.

P.S I'd love to know what boards Laird, Darrick, Dave and Brian K were riding when they rebirthed this sport in the first place. I know Dave Parmenter as an extremely versatile shaper was a huge part of the Makaha thing and made the Tandem boards before SUP that may have been used for early SUP. I'd love to know the details if anyone knows where to find them.

paul.j said...

Are we just talking about australia, no does not matter who really cares who done what, if you ride SUP's then good for you. To many of you old farts want to live in the past get over it, yes there are some good surf board shaper making sup's, some are just there to cash in and some are not but that's up to them, yes there are wind surf shapers making sup's and some of them are also good some are better than some of the short board shapers. Just ride what makes you happy and look to the future there's nothing worse than peolpe dwelling on the past..

Outaahere Jacko

I just like arguing with Billboard[}:)] the topic is not important.

so you must be talking about Lacey he has a little age to him

Man you guys take things very serious ,chill out a little

So the shortboard revolution hasn't played a part in this and
were did the shortboard come from,longboards of course

Makaha said...

Man you guys take things very serious ,chill out a little

So the shortboard revolution hasn't played a part in this and
were did the shortboard come from,longboards of course

It only appears that way, I tried my hand at political forums once and could not get a rise from anyone. Even tried to bait people with extremist views. Nothing. Like you say about this forum the inside circles over there wouldn't even let me in.

I only do this for light entertainment. I honestly don't give a rats. Oops, did I just say that? If I wanted to talk surfboard design seriously I'd call a customer. I work from home, some days it's the only interaction with others I get

Like Jacko said, it's just surfing, I do many kinds of it and only because it's fun. Bill gives me the rise I need, he's reliable and it keeps me entertained. Sorry Bill. I just like to stir people up.

P.S those little red thumbs are like an endorphin injection. Woooooooh.

this topic is a bit like Jiu jitsu

If a tree falls in the forest is it surfing

CMC said...

Makaha said...

It only appears that way, I tried my hand at political forums once and could not get a rise from anyone. Even tried to bait people with extremist views. Nothing. Like you say about this forum the inside circles over there wouldn't even let me in.

I only do this for light entertainment. I honestly don't give a rats. Oops, did I just say that? If I wanted to talk surfboard design seriously I'd call a customer. I work from home, some days it's the only interaction with others I get

Like Jacko said, it's just surfing, I do many kinds of it and only because it's fun. Bill gives me the rise I need, he's reliable and it keeps me entertained. Sorry Bill. I just like to stir people up.

P.S those little red thumbs are like an endorphin injection. Woooooooh.

pretty much the same reason I am here plus ad bored

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