Ken,

Have you considered a Mottle 33 or an Eastcoast 31. Both are in your ball park.

The S&S34 might be a bit dated but that depends on the boat. When you are in a blow it is wonderfully reassuring to be in the most stable and solid boat you can afford. I am biased but they are an outstanding sea boat and with a budget of $70K you should have enough left over to do a lot of internal work.

I have just helped a mate buy a decent one for about $40K.

Cheers

John

Yeah

I suppose i shouldn't discount the SS.
I hve completed a 5 day trip with 4 pers and found it very cramped.
I might have to have a look with fresh eyes.

The Mottle is also very popular and I am not too sure about the rear cabin.
I did wander down to the marina this arvo to have a look if anything else was around.

Need to check out the price of some others and see if they can make it onto the list.

Thanks for the input so far

On Boat Point there are 8 S&S 34s.

See here. http://www.boatpoint.com.au/DesktopDefault.aspx?Ns=pBoat_IsSold_Int32%7C0%7C%7CpBoat_PriceSort_Decimal%7C0%7C%7CpBoat_Make_String%7C0%7C%7CpBoat_Model_String%7C0&N=604%201454%201587%201599%201588%20607%20610%204294910475%20931%201091&tabID=804585&No=0&Nne=20

Of them all I think this one stands out. It was laid up in the UK and would have been done with epoxy resin, not polyester resin.

It has great history and a fastidious owner and has heaps of gear with it. At $55,000 you will have change to set her accomodation up the way you want.

Check her out here.www.boatpoint.com.au/boats-for-sale/boatdetails.aspx?R=7481651

If you are considering a Mottle 33, keep in mind that there was the Mottle 33 of which many were produced before Joe Adams found out they had put the keel in the wrong place.

That was corrected when George Mottle sold the building rights or stopped producing them and I think it was then Carina Yachts of Sydney who then produced the corrected boat under the name of Naut 33s.

Many of these were sold into the charter fleets, in particular to "Whitsunday Yachting World" which was a member of the Berkeley Group Of Companies (the cleaning and rubbish people).

The other yachts they had were the Nantucket 33, Naut 40 (Joe Adams design) and the Oceanic 42.

In 1985 four of us (two hetro couples) chartered a Naut 33 for a week. We found the yacht particularly suited to people who like to get wet even in moderate sailing conditions due to the centre cockpit.

The forward berth was particularly suited to short people with pointed feet, the passage to the aft cabin suited midgets and the aft cabin suited people with a gut full of food and drink that were immune to sea sickness when lying athwartships in a rolly anchorage.

If you are any of the above, it would be a perfect boat for you. The one we chartered was "Cryptic" which we nicknamed "The Crippled Tick" due to the copious amounts and variety of beverages we consumed and nefarious fumes we inhaled, not to mention the jolly good mood we were in.

Maybe I will write that trip up in the Cruising Forum one day.

Keep in mind, those boats have been around the clock a few times and early in their careers were set loose in the hands of babies.

Quoteing a line from the "Adams Yacht Design" book:- "As Adams saw it, the starting point for efficient and enjoyable ocean sailing boats was a fast cruising yacht, which was not only easily driven, but also did not need a lot of crew to sail her."

Joe's boats fit that bill as do the S&S 34s. Happy Hunting.

P.S. Old adage of the ocean. There is no such thing as comfort or privacy aboard anything smaller than the Titanic.

Ken, I would have thought that your budget would allow you to look at some of the mid 30 foot production boats around the 10 year old mark. (You know the brand starting with B or J that I mean). You might have to spend a little more but your wish list of stuff is not going to be met by any of the old clunkers and you probably spend as much updating old stuff anyway.
For short handed sailing and comfort the production boats will do the trick. As far as trips to Port Fairy, Refuge or Tassie via the islands you will not do these in 2-3 days. The SS 34 might be able to handle the 60 knot wind blowing outside but you are going to be nice and cosy tucked away with your creature comforts in a nice anchorage, just make sure you have enough provisions aboard so that you can wait a week if necessary.
Then when you do come to update boats at some time in the future you might be able to get a buyer for old boat and not stuck with something that might be impossible to sell in 5-10 years.

I would recommend you take a look at the cole35 there is a few
around. I had a Carter33 with vberth and cockpit seats . a tough boat
. but didnt have the internal volume of the Cole 35.

Okay

Thanks for the input.

I'll need to look at the Cole.
I have looked at all others and I believe the S&S Cisco identified may be sold?
I spoke with a broker this arvo and he told me that he has had a lot of problems moving boats with IOR design boats. Purchases today seem to want a boat that has better cockpit space - food for thought.

I has a look at a Jarkan 10.5 and as far a CC boats go this one seemed OK design wise.
Not too sure that it meets my original brief and am somewhat concerned at performance issues. Might need to revisit my brief!

Had a look at 2 North 33's, one very good condition and one not so good.
Pretty impressed by the layout both upstairs and downstairs. Modern design should aid resale.

I have taken on board comments about mid 90's production boats and will see what I come up with.

Now where's that lotto tickets?

frant said...

If you are going to revisit your original brief and are going to get your wife on side you might also add to the list

-spray dodger
-bimini
-COCKPIT CUSHIONS!!!

Don,t forget gimbled stubbie holder for cockpit

Another design very worthy of consideration is the Arends 33.

Below deck on one of these yachts you would swear you were aboard a 40 footer. That will certainly keep the ladies happy.

There are only 6 listings for them on Boat Point which when you look at it comes down to 3 yachts.

The listing at $59,000 is for a yacht named "Spitfire" aboard which I have been. She was owned from new by an absolute gentleman and great sailor by the name of Keith Leith who was a Spitfire pilot during WW II, hence the name of the yacht. Keith is the guy who originally built or had built "The Spit Marina" in Middle Harbour, Sydney.

If memory serves me correctly, he told me he sold the marina for about $750,000.

There is probably so few of them for sale because the production run was not large and those that own them know what a gem they have.

These are traditional looking yachts above the waterline but below it are quite slick in the water. Of particular note is the skeg, propeller aperture and rudder arrangement. Very intelligently thought out to say the least.

Looking at it one can see that engine location has to be above the keel which is a feature of the S&S 34 as built true to Olin Stevens design concept. Wieght placed as low and as central as possible.

Also looking at the Arends arrangement you will see that the rudder is narrower at the top and broader at the bottom and is almost a spade rudder except for the little extension from the skeg supporting it.

How responsive to steering do you think these yachts are??? But that is not all. There's more!!!

If you have a 3 blade prop, maybe you have to take it off or just get it in the right position, but with a 2 blade prop you could probably leave it on, put the rudder to one side and slide the propeller shaft straight out without having to remove the rudder.

Also of note is the almost 11 foot beam, just under 4 and a half foot draught and strong single spreader rig similar to an S&S 34.

I do believe this is a yacht that can handle Bass Straight conditions capably, tuck in close in the tightest of anchorages and has the internal volume and stores carrying capacity to afford a good standard of comfort for a crew of 4 for up to 21 days away from ports of replenishment, possibly more.

Further, this design of yacht, de-stored and de-tanked, I believe can be raced very credibly in club races.

@kenif.................Ask yourself these questions:-

Am I right brain thinking (imagineative, fantasising, impetuous)?
or
Am I left brain thinking (logical, realistic, practical)?

Do I want to go racing, cruising, or a good balance of both??

Do I want to play the brokers against each other or just get the right yacht??

Sounds like you are on the right track.

Spitfire is a pretty good boat at a pretty good price. ......???

i,m saying .... mottle in tassie

Cole 35

I still think she's a Cole!! Northshore perhaps??

We have a winner!

That's the one.

Just waiting for delivery.

As it is my first boat I am eagerly anticipating its arrival.

Hi Kenif

Congratulations on your purchase, I hope she matches your wish list as a few of us thought you were taking the piss at the start.

Anyway, do not congratulate Badinfluence to much on her guess as she would continue guessing for quite some time until she had mentioned every yacht ever built Lol.

Your damn right about this forum, there are great people here with good sound knowledge that go out of there way to help like Cisco, Sands, B A, Frant, Charriot Morning Bird and more. They have all helped me in one way or an other, its a great site.