hi guys
me again.
i was just wandering please which would be the fastest small mono hull sail boat made/on market ??
is laser faster than sabre ??
is there other brands of monos faster than 2 mentioned above ??
any benifits haveing mono hull over cat style twin hulls besides speed that is ??
thanks
glen

Look here:- www.tasar.com.au/ and here:- www.tasar.org/

A brand new one will cost around $14,000 but I sold mine for $1,000. It was complete with two sets of sails and on a registered road trailer.

moth

but if you don't want to get bored then go to your closest sailing club and buy what everyone else has... You will learn to sail properly and make new friends

As a speed comparison have a look at the yacht yardstick used for handicapping,
the lower the number the faster the boat.............

http://www.yachting.org.au/site/yachting/sa/downloads/Event%20Info/0910%20YSA%20Yardsticks%20Sep09.pdf

And the handicap system is quite simple...
(yacht course time) multiplied by (class handicap number) = Corrected time
then the lowest corrected time is then the winner..
In smaller clubs often many different classes race as a single fleet.
And over time the individual yacht will have its handicap adjusted +/- to match the fleet, producing VERY close racing.

I would have to agree with Jedibrad about your local club, Its far better fun to sail against a group of boats being the same class rather than being way out in front and on your own in a totally different class of boat.

ozsail said...

so can tasar be sailed with one man ?
it would be faster than sabre and laser boats wouldnt it ?
thanks
glen

Solo sailing is generally regarded as anti social behaviour.

No doubt a Tasar could be quite sucessfully sailed single handed if the jib is not deployed.

I think you need to delve into the web sites I posted and look at the history of how the class was developed.

The Tasar is a progression from the John Spencer Javelin (my first yacht) and the North Shore 14, both of which are two crew yachts.

The difference with the Tasar is that it does not have or need a spinnaker as it will plane to windward.

The benefits of having a yacht requireing a fwd hand are numerous, some of which benefits are listed below:-

1. Someone to talk with, to or at.

2. Someone to reach into the Esky and hand you a coldie.

3. Someone to help right the boat when you cock up.

4. Someone to administer mouth to mouth resucitation to you when you really cock up.

5. Someone fresh to pick up off the beach after sacking the last fwd hand.

6. Someone to shout at when the whips are cracking.

7. Someone to blame when the cock up is yours.

8. Someone to do the dirty work.

9. Someone to praise your qualities at the yacht club bar.

10. Someone to have sex with when you reach the beach.

What you need is a moth, they are one of the fastest boats around, light and easy to shift around. It can take a little learning to use but if you have any windsurf or high perf dinghy experience then this will help.

There is now a fleet of 8 boats at South of Perth YC and lots of interest too. Don't know where you are?? there is good following in Sydney too.

There are used boats available in Perth. Let me know if you feel up to a ride on one and I can sort that out.

www.moth-sailing.org/imca/faces/news.jsp

John

ozsail said...

hi fellas
john,im in vic,sth east of melb
how much second hand are the moths go for??
what model moth are we talking about/to get ??

thanks
glen

I think the main moth fleet in Melb may be at Black Rock.

Good used boats are about 10-15k, new ones are about 22k. There are older foilers too that go for less than 10k.

The current go boat is the Mach2, with used boats it best to stick with pro built boats like the Prowler or Bladerider.

I have a brand new Prowler for sale yet to be advertised, should be about $14000.

With moths there are a number of small parts and components that need to be working or the boat doesnt work. They are only small things but you need to keep on top of maintenance and checking these things. Not as simple as a windsurfer but really good fun, fast too.

with my price range in mind,prob either get hobie 16/17 or the tasar when i find a good clean boat.
cheers
glen

yeah cool.
cheers
glen

hey oz
what bout the ns/mg single hander?? I know I have spoken bout the class b4 but I think its a great boat 4 a beginer right up to the hard sailers?? worth a look on your price. dont forget 3 other classes as well when u get a crew.
Berndty

mofo said...

1up
contender,moth ,laser ---------------------------------mono
nacra 16sq,taipan 4.9 , a-class,weta tri----------------multi




would not recommend sailing a hobie 16 1 up ,unless your 130kg ,you will never get it back up if you hit the piss ( i speak from personal experiance )

hi mate
thanks for reply,gees never thought of that,hahah
im only 100 kilo weight,wasgoing to sail single handed until my son who is 5 is a bit older!!
cheers

Ramona said...

mofo said...

1up
contender,moth ,laser ---------------------------------mono
nacra 16sq,taipan 4.9 , a-class,weta tri----------------multi




would not recommend sailing a hobie 16 1 up ,unless your 130kg ,you will never get it back up if you hit the piss ( i speak from personal experiance )

I doubt he intends to sail a Hobie 16 singlehanded. If he does then a tripod attached to the fwd beam under the tramp that extends rear of the aft beam that can be deployed at 90 degrees to the hull will give a lightweight lots of leverage. I used a set of windsurfer wishbones for the job. Adds a bit of weight. Bit of fiddling about setting up shock cord and control lines. There are other methods too to make the cat sailer more self reliant.
In my last sailing club we had to have one weekend a season as rescue boat drivers. The only boats I ever had to rescue were cats, mostly Hobies.
If you sail a cat it pays to learn how to right a cat using a powerboat, where to attach the rope etc and what to expect.

hi graham
sounds like good mods there to do,great ideas mate
cheers
glen

I think it is time to simplify it from the amount of crap that is above.
Glen, you are 100kg, are in VIC and want a mono faster than a laser (lots of choices), your sailing experience is in Sabers and you just want to hoon around.

Realistically what budget are you playing with and how athletic are you so we can give you a realistic recommendation that does not involve frigging about with boats that were never quite right for what you want.
Brett

brett221 said...

I think it is time to simplify it from the amount of crap that is above.
Glen, you are 100kg, are in VIC and want a mono faster than a laser (lots of choices), your sailing experience is in Sabers and you just want to hoon around.

Realistically what budget are you playing with and how athletic are you so we can give you a realistic recommendation that does not involve frigging about with boats that were never quite right for what you want.
Brett

hi brett,yeah thats sounds spot on.
budget down graded to $ 5,000 for second hand boat
your examination is great!!!
yep 100 kilo in weight,reasonble fitness,yes boat with failry good speed,hooning around,thats rite,for in land lakes.
cheers
glen

if you mean one up mono hulls... moth is definitely the fastest. Whether you can handle one or not is a different story