Changing Direction - LandSailing @ a Yacht Club

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wheelnut
wheelnut
WA
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WA, 90 posts
24 Sep 2008 7:28am
Finally a subject on seabreeze that has the blokart guys active.
With that much hard selling from them, you would think you are in your local car yard!!!!
Perhaps they need to buy some advertising space from seabreeze rather than use the forum.
lachlan3556
lachlan3556
VIC
1066 posts
VIC, 1066 posts
24 Sep 2008 11:04am
An invaluable addition to the thread there Wheelnut Thanks for helping Greg out.


I would hope to have the forum return to a more peaceful state soon which lets everyone take a step back. At present I cant keep track of Gregs questions in the thread through all the 'other' additions. As I see it there are far too many unknown variables involved to push one kind of yacht over another at this stage. Keep it fun, great (if not perfect) post Kody
splitpin
splitpin
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104 posts
24 Sep 2008 10:05am
THEBIGC said...

WHAT

WHAT we are now bagging kite buggys ,also are you a blokart dealer?
wheelnut
wheelnut
WA
90 posts
WA, 90 posts
24 Sep 2008 10:14am
Splitpin he's not only a blokart dealer he's the "importer"
It's AMAZING how active people / groups get when they see $$ in the eyes, or benefits for themselves.
trumpy
trumpy
QLD
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QLD, 27 posts
24 Sep 2008 2:19pm
wheelnut said...

Splitpin he's not only a blokart dealer he's the "importer"
It's AMAZING how active people / groups get when they see $$ in the eyes, or benefits for themselves.


Get your facts right gentlemen, he's not the importer, I am. Phil Coulter is my name and the company is Que 5 Pty Ltd, Australian Distibutors for Blokart.
It amuzes me to read the ever so quick asumptions that seem to plague this forum......

I ask, do you know me wheelnut?
I ask do you know me Hills?

No, neither of you know me, so what gives you the right to ASSUME that the post by MRBIGC has been sent by me.....it doesn't give the right does it!!!! as said get your facts right.

To clear up a few facts in previous post.

Yes Gizmo, the figures are correct that we have sold over 600 blokarts in Australia, it's not just a marketing ploy, it's actual sales.
If you understood the blokart you would have no reason to question what is advertised, Let me tell you, only a small percentage of blokarts sold globally( which by the way now exceeds 8000 karts ) are used for competition racing, the majority sold are used for recreational use only, that also is the case here in Australia.
This is why the blokart brand has done so well in such a short spate of time, there is no other landsailor / yacht or what ever you want to call it available in the world today that can offer you this, one day your blokart is being used as a family fun machine being sailed by Mum, Dad and the kids, the next day the same machine is being used by Dad to race competitively, reaching speeds in excess of 90km per hour, that is what blokarting is all about, families being able to utilize the full potential of there investment.

Hills as for blokarts in S.A, i can confirm with you that there are no less than 30 blokart owners in S.A and if you would like i can send you contact details of a few, better still we have just this week put on a new blokart dealer in Adelaide, his name is Roger Welch and his company is called S.A Lansailing, feel free to contact him on 04 1785 6528, Roger is in place to sell and promote the blokart brand in S.A with the intentions of starting a blokart club in Adelaide
To clear up another fact posted by Hills, clinton (boogie) is not a blokart dealer, he was but we put him off 2 years ago.

If you guys would like to see how big in a global sense blokarting is becoming, search it through Europe / Japan / USA / Middle East / Canada, there is no other landsailor out there today that even comes close to the growth of blokart.

World blokart Titles are being held at the end of this month for 5 days in NZ with over 100 competitors from many different countries, i think that speaks for itself in the way of growth and what the blokart brand is all about,
Australian blokart Titles 2007 at Yeppoon Qld 64 blokarts registered to race,
Vic State titles 2007, 38 registered to race, these are attendancy figures i have never seen before in the "landyachting" world

If you landyachters really want to be constructive, get out there, sort your clubs out and get racing. ( clubs with one member ONLY doesn't constitute a club )

Gentleman I believe fact and not fiction is the essence of any forum

Any queries to what i have just written feel free to contact me phil@blokart.com.au.........04 0092 8060

Phil Coulter......Alias, trumpy








hills
hills
SA
1622 posts
SA, 1622 posts
24 Sep 2008 2:34pm
Hi Phil

I don't claim to know you, but we have corresponded via email about sailing locations and future dealers in SA. Sorry if my flippant comment to THEBIGC offended you, but his line was very similar to one you put to me previously.

Its good to hear you now have a dealer here and I wish him all the best getting an SA club up and running.

I stand by all my comments about Blokarts as you'll see none of them have been derogatory. If I can assist your dealer in getting things going I'm more than prepared to do so as I believe both Blokarts and Landyachts can and should be successful. (although I prefer to call them all landyachts).

You have told me before that 30 have been sold in and around Adelaide, but as I said I have not seen or heard of any of them other than your previous dealer who tried to sell be his demo Blokart some time ago.


Thanks for dropping by, I hope you'll stick around.

THEBIGC
THEBIGC
28 posts
28 posts
24 Sep 2008 5:57pm
Good work guys maybe now we could get back to the original questions from Greg and his proposal.
Promo girl
Promo girl
259 posts
259 posts
24 Sep 2008 6:51pm
Perhaps those who have a product to sell should consider being a advertiser on seabreeze or pay for an advert in the buy and sell? Lauries rates are very reasonable.

For those of us who have been around a while on seabreeze we can rate the credibility of someones post by previous posts and if they tell us who they actually are. For those who choose to remain anonomous...of course your cred is lower.

Interesting to note how many new comers have started posting after Gregs questions...

I am eternally opptomitic though and hope now you have found us you will continue to post and be a productive and pleasant addition to the forum minus the marketing.

happy sailing (and buidling!)
Susan
THEBIGC
THEBIGC
28 posts
28 posts
24 Sep 2008 6:59pm
No worries luv,but have been around and watching seabreeze for quite a while,yes have not posted before,because of responses and accusations that been posted in the past.
My five cents worth.
Promo girl
Promo girl
259 posts
259 posts
24 Sep 2008 7:03pm
THEBIGC said...

No worries luv,but have been around and watching seabreeze for quite a while,yes have not posted before,because of responses and accusations that been posted in the past.
My five cents worth.


Please do not patronise me, I'm not you luv. Susan or Promo Girl will do fine thanks
hills
hills
SA
1622 posts
SA, 1622 posts
24 Sep 2008 8:43pm
or "She who keeps us under control"

I hate to think where we'd be without you Promogirl!

I hope Greg can pick through this mess and glean something useful from it. Just ignore the rest, that's just us blowing off steam. Its been a long winter and we're all chomping at the bit to get out there!!
Promo girl
Promo girl
259 posts
259 posts
24 Sep 2008 7:49pm
hills said...

or "She who keeps us under control"



it's an ugly job but someone has to do it
cheers Hillsy

InlandSailor
InlandSailor
44 posts
44 posts
27 Sep 2008 5:21pm
The MoYC committee meeting today decided to follow up on the option of LS's and will progress further in meeting with those in the sport and discuss how our venue can be altered to accomodate LS in general. Stand by for updates as we make our way.


Greg
Arjay
Arjay
VIC
267 posts
VIC, 267 posts
6 Oct 2008 3:51pm
hi, well as you can see from the avatar "a blokart" sailor. Previous nearly 40 years, off the beach in small monos and cats, even throw in a trailer sailer for a few of those!! When I was 12, helped build a landyacht from 2x4s and planted the Flying Ant rig on it and went up and down the court where we lived.

Why a blokart? I'm lazy and when I bought it we did have a very active club, unfortunately we lost our space and things have been a bit slow this year. I also bought stainless and yes I am a metallurgist, but refer point 1. Not actually sure what the steel ones are made of so wont comment on strength.

I was also impressed with the pack up and go, put it in the back of the car thats it!

I sailed Lake Lefroy some 3 months after getting the blokart, what a wonderful place to sail and we only used one square kilometre?? Correct me if I am wrong Paul. Fantastic.

Yesterday I returned from New Zealand where I competed in the world titles, on that track you see, maybe with a few extra bits of concrete thrown in. Was a sharp learning curve racing on the track, unfortunately for me I havent reached the top of that curve yet. I believe the number of entrants was 93 from 12 or 13 countries. Over the week we did 20 races in each division. So about 3hrs I calculated of actual sailing, not a lot when you look at it, but watching the sailing so close up was absorbing. We had many course configurations.

93 entrants plus partners and children etc meant there were a lot of people there!
And as sailing does it builds camaraderie which I experienced at Lefroy and NZ, also Ivanpah early this year.

Of course we added the titles into a small holiday of NZ.

So best of both worlds could be some large open area at least a square kilometre that you can keep dry, and a track which is much different sailing.

Hope this helps a little.

Russell
landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
10 Oct 2008 3:25pm
InlandSailor said...

The MoYC committee meeting today decided to follow up on the option of LS's and will progress further in meeting with those in the sport and discuss how our venue can be altered to accomodate LS in general. Stand by for updates as we make our way.


Greg

great news, I hope the flood of ideas ,and opinions didnt scare you all off. please keep us posted and see if you can get those photos of the surface, they will tell us quite a lot.
Cheers paul

InlandSailor
InlandSailor
44 posts
44 posts
27 Oct 2008 9:24am
G'day All, an update on our progress.
We had a busy day yesterday when the Melbourne and Ballarat Blokarters hosted some MYC committee and general members, and gave us a day of experimenting and racing their Blokarts at the track they use by the Ballarat Airport.
Our thanks goes out to them for offering to help us through our decision making process.
With the Victorian Blokart State tittles coming up in a couple of weeks, it was generous that the risked their equipment. Apart from some capsizes and hurt prides, no equipment was damaged, so they breathed a collective sigh.
Breeze was about as good as you would want with up with a 30km wind gusting to 40km. All of us had a great time and much discussion ensued on the trip back to Wangaratta.
Next step in the process will be to get together and see what we need to do back at our club to develop an area for LS, background the funding options and network our contacts.
BeeGee
BeeGee
VIC
99 posts
VIC, 99 posts
27 Oct 2008 9:53pm
Greg,

It was great to meet you guys and introduce you to the sport we love.

I hope we will be seeing a contingent from your club at the not only the 2009 Vic Titles, but the Australian Open in March next year.

Brian
hills
hills
SA
1622 posts
SA, 1622 posts
27 Oct 2008 11:24pm
That's excellent, I hope it all comes together for your club!!
landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
31 Oct 2008 11:38am
Bloody excellent work all you victorians. Less talking and more sailing, can only be a good thing
lachlan3556
lachlan3556
VIC
1066 posts
VIC, 1066 posts
31 Oct 2008 2:48pm
Good news indeed.

If only the club was setup at present, the temp is warm and the winds are strong at present Says me who isn't out sailing
InlandSailor
InlandSailor
44 posts
44 posts
21 Nov 2008 3:38pm
A further update for you Seabreeze readers/commentators on our progress.
As you all know,the club had a great day courtesy of the Melbourne Karters. If you go to our club web page http://www.freewebs.com/mokoanyc/ and click on the newsletter link, you'll see how it went.
We're now in the process of chasing funding to get 6 Karts and one members has already picked up a couple of near new Blowies to be our first owner.
As far as the track goes, we have found that there is $200,000 set aside for the redevelopment of the Yacht Club into a Community Centre. We're now hinting [lobbying] to have most of that spent on the development of a "mutipurpose sports area" read grassed flat area for the Blokarts. In the meantime we'll get something done on the cheap using some locals and their laser graders/land planes!!!!
Insurance wise because we're a member of Yachting Victoria, the Blowies will be considered as an off water social activity and as such have cover for our club members. It's also handy that they come under the "Blue Book" of sail racing rules. To compete in the State and National Blokart titles, individuals will have to join the Blokart association, just the same as they would to sail in any class associations "on water" titles.
We've been in contact with Access for All [Sailability] regionally and they're enthused with the concept and will help with finding funding for us.
Even though we're making good progress, reaistically, it wont be till next year, some time towards mid year I'm guessing, that we'll be underway in the true sense, but in the meantime we'll probably invite the Melbourne Blowies to come up and help do some demo days.
We've got some ideas as far as sailing goes including putting on some night sailing events and even team racing activities using the bar that hooks 2 BloKarts together. As far as the night sailing goes, well bring a bit of our on water experience to this, with night lights on the blowies and illuminated marks to help "navigation". Would like to do it on one of the sports arenas in Wangaratta with lights. We will need to chase sponsorship to pay for the lights I guess. Wont happen for 12 months I suspect, maybe at the same time as the Jazz Weekend in Wang. when these still a chance of a breeze. Spring is the best for wind here as I guess it is in in most parts of Oz.

Greg

EDIT

The area we have in mind [500m x 500m] will need to be sown down to grass to stop it washing during the wetter months [If we ever have them again]. In the warmer months it will die back to a dry cover.
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
21 Nov 2008 11:55pm
You guys are really getting it together. If you can dictate, control or even just have some substantial influence on how the $200,000 is spent, it will be a huge boost for the sport of land sailing.

The reason being, is that you are setting a precedent, which you no doubt realise.

Please keep us updated on the forum as you have just done. When it is a fait accompli (pardon my French or lack of), there will no doubt be a number of local land sailing groups around the country who will be quoteing your history and success as leverage to gain at least recognition, and hopefully, designated areas and funding that will further bring landsailing into the mainstream of sporting and recreational activities that may be enjoyed by those fortunate enough to be living in this great country called Australia.

Just a comment here on your efforts "We are now hinting [lobbying] to have that spent on the development of a "multipurpose sports area" read GRASSED flat area for blokarts."

I think most readers would agree that a GRASSED area is not going to be the ideal you want. Grass will slow you down and when long will slow you down more or even make sailing impossible, to say nothing of all the grass debris that will accumulate in your yachts, clothing and persons.

If you can get them to provide a square paddock, 100 acres (40 hectares for the metricised), laser levelled and sealed with hot mix bitumen, I am sure there would be an influx of population to your town by people noticeable by their interest in land sailing. $200,000 just will not go that far.

If you can get a square area anything from one acre upwards that is laser levelled, sprayed with used motor oil and covered with cracker dust a couple of times over, you will have a place of pure FUN if it is a windy location. It will need regular maintenance every year or two. Forty acres would be damn near perfect.

You need level, hard and smooth. Slippery or not is not too big an issue. Skill and technique will compensate.

Cheers Guys, Best of Luck with the campaign, Cisco
landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
23 Nov 2008 7:52pm
A couple of years ago we camped at the local footy roung at Dumblyung with a load of sailors to sail on the lake there. I still kick myself for not taking a mini. the drying grassed area was like concrete, kind of sand /clay mix which they love for farming. with a mow it would have been perfect.
A blokart salesman could have sold a few yachts that weekend
Gizmo
Gizmo
SA
2865 posts
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14 Jan 2009 10:59am
Has anyone heard how these guys are going?
Did they find yachts? and if they did are they sailing?
BeeGee
BeeGee
VIC
99 posts
VIC, 99 posts
14 Jan 2009 7:54pm
Gizmo said...

Has anyone heard how these guys are going?
Did they find yachts? and if they did are they sailing?


I spoke to Greg a few days ago. They are doing well. They have two blokarts and are working on the funding for more. We'll be catching up with a couple of them at our Australia Day event at Oliver's Lake near Horsham.

Brian
hills
hills
SA
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SA, 1622 posts
14 Jan 2009 7:46pm
That's good to hear!! Ask them to post some pics of the sailing area and club facilities when they get a chance. I'm keen to see it!
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
15 Jan 2009 1:22am
With this and other various happenings I believe our sport is really taking off. There is funding available from the taxes we pay.

ALSA needs to get it's act together now or it needs to be dumped as the national representative body for landsailing in Australia. If ALSA has not carried out it's responsibilities, ie AGMs etc, it should be reported to the relevant authority for investigation.

An appropriately worded letter to the Federal Minister for Sport and Recreation may put a cat amongst the pigeons.

Anybody want me to write it??
Cheers Cisco.
laurie
laurie
WA
3889 posts
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15 Jan 2009 10:09am
cisco said...

With this and other various happenings I believe our sport is really taking off. There is funding available from the taxes we pay.

ALSA needs to get it's act together now or it needs to be dumped as the national representative body for landsailing in Australia. If ALSA has not carried out it's responsibilities, ie AGMs etc, it should be reported to the relevant authority for investigation.

An appropriately worded letter to the Federal Minister for Sport and Recreation may put a cat amongst the pigeons.

Anybody want me to write it??
Cheers Cisco.


It is interesting to see that there is still angst between some individuals and the association. In the other forums, I also see people with much energy investing it in campaigning to bring down their associations.

Remember the day you first had a crack at your sport, and the stoke you got, which made it become a part of your life?

Then one day you wake up, and that simple enjoyment has now been supplemented with politics, facilities, infrastructure, agm's, organisation, performance reviews, character assessments, emails .. does it outweigh how much you actually do the sport?

Always remember the stoke.
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
15 Jan 2009 12:50pm
I take that on board Laurie. I think generally on our landsailing forum you will find that most of us are trying to get ALSA up rather than bring it down.

There are several of us in the sport who are "orphans" looking for a home.

ALSA keeps it's doors shut and refuses to even talk to us. If the organisation is not what it is supposed to be ie "The National Representative Body", it has two options.

Become that body or declare and get out of the game.

The original "BUZZ"!! I'll never lose that mate and I will always be a landsailor, with or without ALSA. I think there is a huge opportunity at the moment and if nothing is done it may be lost. Cheers Peter.
hills
hills
SA
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15 Jan 2009 4:02pm
Its great to go landsailing, but the only thing that is better, is to go landsailing with a large group of likeminded, friendly people. I think this is what we are all trying to achieve.
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