www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/st-kilda-jetty-overhaul-to-pave-way-for-new-marina-20130131-2dmqq.html

Whilst i was at St Kilda with the James and Sean (Tribe Carew). Sean asked one of the bulldozer drivers what they were doing. and he said that they were making the kiddie pool deeper so that a barge can come in and collect the rocks to take them out to the existing break water to help repair that. So pretty much they are doing us a favor by making the kiddie pool deeper. the driver claimed that they will be doing that for 10 months..
looks like they actually are thinking about us.

As per other thread:

pgc said...
Went to the pond today and spoke to the bulldoser driver. Apparently they are building a sand wall out to deep water where a barge will be loaded with the rocks that are on the beach. These rocks are to extend the current rock wall out side the marina. The bull dozer will be working for 10 months taking sand from inside the new pond and reinforcing the sand wall. This means the pond should get better as it will be deeper and more protected. But it will only hold a limited number of kiters and if you can free style i would stay away unless you want to be a hazzard...

Yeah.
They dont care if anyone can kite there or not.
All they see is a bunch of louts ignoring the rules as in 5 knots , right of way etc and proximity to structures (i guess you can call the sand wall a structure), piers etc.
The council wont get complaints regarding to close to boats , lines wrapped around masts etc. All the council will see is more money from mooring revenue increase.
The boat traffic will become much thicker and maybe prohibit other kiting activities firther along the beaches so in the end the kites will possibly have to move on.

Untill kiting is as rich and powerfull as the yachties (never) or maybe even try to join the yacht clubs and realy make it mainstream and have the clout and obey the vessel laws that they come under then this sort of stuff will always happen without any worry to what the kiters think.

Seriously , jumping over and around a structure when a worker is in the machine at the end of it regardless of what it is makes a great impression to people watching the works that may be in some planning /project managing position, not..

dont be a dick suniboy the bulldozer was empty and the driver was behind me and he was stoked . i even asked him to put a table top in the middle.

lol, end up in courtrooms. As if.


JUMP IT!

Just have to say, what a bunch of wingers... St Kilda Kiddie Pool is a show pony zone thats about it... It has the worst EPA readings of anywhere in the bay.

You know what happens, those guys get sick of it and come over to Altona, Hey don't get me started about how these advanced guys get territorial about flat water.

I was at Altona cruising one spot popping a few 360 spins and trying some boost tricks. I am not an advanced Kiter on flat water but I like riding a surfboard a lot more. Now when some advanced guys notice me cruising in my own space and sees it nice and flat I am generally ok with it. I will take turns in the spot. Hoot and Hollar a bit when they do something cool.

Now on this day the 2 guys on North kites tried to OWN the space. Mate they took on more than the could chew that day. He downlooped near me and I laughed. Both of them got really aggresive towards me. I have been skateboarding and surfing all of my life and someone snaking me aint going to cut it. The other 3 or more kiters that where there also looked teed off at this duo as well.

I stood my ground and the 2 of them backed down and realised I was not moving on. The other kiters came back. I spoke to one of the guys saying we can all use the space just be considerate and move up wind a bit. His response was priceless: "I came here to get away from the kiddie pool".

Christ my point is this be considerate of each other. This sport is unreal. If you are an advanced kiter stop bitching and learn another discipline like riding a surfboard when it gets choppy. Or if you have limited flat water then have patience.

I stayed and did my own thing and caught up with the guys after the session. Funny thing was they were blown away that anyone was pissed of at them.

matto said...
Is this a Parks Vic thing, or Yacht Squadron?

And have we seen anything from KBV yet (in the KBV section of Seabreeze).

Was there last night. Has halved (at least) the kiteable space which presumably KBV "fought" for. Downwnd of the breakwater isnt that great and upwind only has enough water close to high tide.

The project is being driven by the yacht squadron as part of their new marina and hardstand. New marina will be between the rock breakwater and current old marina. Kicker is that all the public swing moorings in this area will be moved east of the new marina about where our favourite yellow PITA boat is. Old timber marina will be demolished to make room for relocation of swing moorings as well.

Breakwater is being extended to provide extra protection for the marina. 200m Wave attenuator will be built from end of extended breakwater towards beach.

All impinging on kiteboarding area

KBV were not invited to participate in planning process AFAIK.

Hey guys, so can some one please tell me, will we have more flat water or not?

kungfupete said...
Hey Guys, I've looked at the maps and looks like the boat repair and storage yard (big crap with boats on top of it) will go straight through the usual kiting area. Looks like less room 4 kiting, but I hope I'm wrong.

I was under the impression that it was in front of the RMYS, where the slipway is, which is not a kiting area. Refer page 10 of the link in the OP.

RickE, can you post the final drawings. The only ones I can find on the web are the concept plans.

Cheers

from what i can see on that site plan it looks like the flat water area will get bigger, as they are removing the floating jetty and moving the boats closer to the rock wall.
so yes more flat water.

My prediction is that the marina and pier construction will destroy one of The best kiting spots in Victoria and onner city. The wind rushes past the pier but the pier takes the edge off the chop while still allowing waves through. A rare occurrence. Kiting out in the bay just doesn't rate - way too choppy.

Totally agree about the yellow f'n boat. Hope that goes.

Why we like the pier is because we get wind but the pier takes out most of the chop while still enabling swell/ waves. A rare occurrence and why that area is so prized. Flat rock at Ballina is a better example of wind but smooth faced waves.

I'm not looking forward to the flat water out if the marina extension. However if that new little pier is now not happening that is a good thing. Do we know for sure?

Some say it will be better some say worse. ?

RickE said...

Note 1:
Please note the most noticeable change to the Marina Development is the removal of the “island- jetty”. Especially as this would have been right in the middle of the main Kiting area,

This is what I'm confused about - is that big hard stand pier in the middle of the kiting area in the final approved development or not? Rick has apparently seen the final plans, would be good to let the kiting community know what has been approved.