^^^typo mate 5'6 x 20" is it same as mine

Not better than every other kite mate just better than some,watch the video above light wind on a 14 TRX with a 5'6 x20 SB the proofs right there of how a good combo can perform ,no need for a big assed door,and a monster of a kite.
Also I can fly the Fury with the back lines ultra tight still no stall,the zeph is a nice kite I nearly bought one myself once but decided to stick with a 14 SB combo,I prefer the fury because it's smaller and loops quicker,haven't had chance to fly the latest edge yet to compare it to the Fury it could kick the furys butt, time will tell I have an open mind, all kites I've flown excel in certain areas am still looking for the perfect one.
Like I said in an earlier post on this topic the best advice is to go and demo all that's suggested or as much as poss as we are all different and prefer different things,but from a Lerner point of view one of the main things I would look at is relaunch ,it's great to have a grunty as kite but if all it does is pull you off the wind or is a nightmare to relaunch then look for something a bit more user friendly.

^^^Yep agree totally the nugget looks like a real good light wind option,and a 12-14m kite can work just as well as a big wide span kite with the right board combo,obviously the advantage of a wide SB style board is float.

my opinions on what is good in light winds is in no particular order;

Blade Fat Lady
griffin TRX
griffin Argo
Naish FLY

IMO the TRX is faster turning than the Argo but the argo has more pull for riders who just want park and ride kiting, both relaunch gret.

Naish Fly is also a fast kite that ticks all the box's, very good for unhooking in light winds and can be used as a race kite.

Blade Fat Lady is one of the lightest light air kites with very thin struts and leading edge, turns extremely fast with good relaunch unhooking capabilities.

all these kites except the Argo i think are good on the surfboard in light winds as they turn so fast. Light wind kiting is a skill that takes learning and you will need a lot of practice or help from someone in the know to get you up to speed.
boards play a major part as well so take that into consideration when purchasing a light wind kite, dont expect to ride your normal board that has a fair bit of rocker or you will be dissapointed!

I know some of you will say TRX now...keep coming back to that kite it seems...

But whats the Fat lady's score here.

Been on Dyno's, edges etc, awesome awesome kites, but too slow turning for this puppy.

Big kites with Twin tips is all we used to do here in the Sh!t wind capital of Australia so we have tried a few kites over time and as with all things it depends upon what you want from a kite.

... if your lightish in weight, use the lower aspect kites which turn fast but not as good as high aspect kites for upwind angles! I found the Blade Fat Lady and Naish Fly turned great but suffered upwind and didn't have static pull, kite needs to be flown.

... if your medium weight, high aspect kite with big board that can slip through the water easy or Sector style board, but you still need to work the kite a bit to get speed and power where the kite pulls ok, eg Dyno 17m, Ozone 17m Edge.

... if your heavy weight, only kite is the Dyno 18m, great upwind and has constant pull which is great for a TT. It keeps pulling, no matter how slow you go which is great for a TT and good for a Sector style board.

... apparently big foil kites (Spleene or Flysurfer 21m) are great for constant pull but you'll have to modify your riding style and most of us don't like the slow steering so stick to inflateable kites but there is no denying they got some power. I watched a bunch of flysurfers in Bali in some waves and they couldn't do what I could with a faster turning kite (Dyno 18m), and it appeared we roughly had the same bottom end. I also seemed to have board speed on them in bot the flat water and waves but they did have some serious hang.

My favourite is the Dyno 18m and if we had more waves, I'd get the Blade Fatlady.

cheers,

Robbie

eppo said...









with Twin tips is all we used to do here in the Sh!t wind capital of Australia


Had to laugh at that one Robbie!

So I'm 75-77 with a sector so you'd call me lightish weight I suppose.

What's the call on the fat lady mate, you flown one. (I seem to remember you may have written something up about them?).


Foils, flew them for several years, never again. They are what they are, and they are far from what I desire...but thanks for the suggestion.

... yeah, IMO I reckon your on the lightish side compared the most kiters I know! I think you don't need the n'th degree of power that the Dyno can give you but a light feeling kite would be better suited.

Fatlady was great, fast, loopy, easy on the bar but as I said already, not the choice if your heavy or wanna race upwind and this is only compared to say the Dyno 18m.

Don't get me wrong, it has power, just not the static kind. When wound up then sent, you can get nice jumps and all with a really light direct bar feel. The other thing is it doesn't have that delay bridal feel I so dislike, its sort of direct and a bit like a rebel. This was the main reason I personally didn't like the Naish Fly, which to me had a very delayed and sort of spongy feel in its feed back, but again I like good feed back and I'm a bit picky in this department. So it doesn't race upwind as good as a Dyno, it is more playful and would be great fun in waves as you can redirect it so easy.

I supose the only real way is to try one for your self. I don't even know where you would buy one, might have to research that a bit.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder!

cheers,

Robbie

eppo said...

Yeh ta mate.

I flew Tony's 18m Dyno in bali remember. Bloody awesome kite! But as you said, too much for me.

I also like the direct feel, miss that from the Norths. The VX is very direct, but the steering is just a little spongy compared to the Rebel/Vegas. But can't have it all, suites my style at the moment.

Yeh Fat Lady Demo, not sure in Perth about that.

Still considering maybe an Edge. Always wanted to own one hey, just to say I have an edge! LOL

... nah you tried Tony's 16m Dyno, I had the 18m. The 18m is very slow compared to the 16m and would be no good at all for what your after.

Tony loves his 17m Edge but not in the waves so if your thinking about waves then might not be for you.

Definetly try the Fatlady or similar!

cheers,

Robbie

So glad i got in early on this one!!! knew it was was going to get TRX raped, as soon as i saw the title

and nah core kites, too me..... look like crap, alot of the models ive seen and couple ive tried fly like crap, and the word "core" just sounds like crap in general.
just my opinion probably nothing wrong with them.

kitcho207 said...

wind - 7 to 15kn (taken off SB graphs)
rider - beginner to intermediate
fatness - 92kg
board - noble 555 135x40

Recently tried 3 different brand kites for light wind on a twin tip.

The core LW17 was the standout for me so I'm picking one up next week. The build quality was really good. The kite material was lighter than the other brand kites that I tried and from what I could tell this really helped with the bottom end. Not too sure how good this will be for durability tho. Turning speed was up there too. Altogether an enjoyable kite to fly
On one of the lulls I dropped the kite and it reverse relaunched extremely easy even though it was my 1st ever attempt at relaunching like this. Relaunch in approx 10kn and above was almost auto. Under 10kn needed to be tickled a bit.
The bar pressure was a little more than I was used to, but it wasn't on the lightest setting either.
From what I could tell the kite sits back a little in the window, but didn't have enough time to get it dialled.

Found the bar nice, clean and easy to use depower

Worth giving one a demo

kitch

... lighter build also doesn't mean its weaker which I tested many times. I had the core 17 XR and gave it a hiding for 2 years and it doesn't look near as bad as some other brands I've seen at the same age. Totally surprized me how well it stood up to abuse. I also used to do the reverse launch purely for sh!ts and giggles and was amazed how it can handle my stuff ups as it whacked the water hard. No worries at all.

But, I dare say, if it were heavier built I would surely not like it, probably make it very sluggish, when the blurb said 'strategic placement of re-enforcement', they were right, as it works.

Cheers,

Robbie

Alazon said...

Re the Core 17m LW, is this a lower aspect kite or more higher one? How does it go upwind?

Once you in the 90kg plus category and as you put it well Robbie in an earlier post above about rider weights and types of kites, it becomes more of a difficult choice to choose what LW kite to go with. High aspect it seems is the way to go for us heavier riders but is there any other kites out there lower or medium aspect that turn fast enough/play in small waves, etc (non racing) but can go upwnd good enough to have fun on or is it an impossible dream to have it all in one? There's a lot of new kites obviously coming out for 2013 so maybe there will be improvements..

... I honestly believe that the heavier you are, the more you'll bring the mis-givings a kite might have. As an example, my old 2011 Rebel 14m was great when it was under a year old or less, but at the 12 month mark I noticed it wouldn't turn the same and didn't loop as well and flapped a bit with upwind suffering, but when the missus rode it, no worries but then 6 months later it happened to her, she weighs less than me by the way. Any problems were made really obvious to me.

If a kite isn't so good upwind, being heavier makes it worse. In order to keep the speed up, you pull the bar and might even have to sine it up and down. All this causing the kite to be sitting back in the window and since further back, your not going upwind as well, if you get a kite with a tendancy to be a bit of a truck, its made worse. With high aspect kites, more static power it sort of pulls you upwind better and life is good.

So, to the Core, the older XR has a slightly lower aspect compared to its newer one and definetely comparded to the Dyno and it doesn't go upwind as well but it is better looping with tighter quicker turning, heaps of fun in waves. It has medium bar pressure but its power delivery isn't as friendly either, good, just not as smooth as my Dyno.

Yep, the big kites are back and there's lots of good ones now.

cheers,

Robbie

Hey saffer I to have been surprised by its low end. Probably 2 knots less than my sector 54, mm more like a knot and three quarters, but soon much more fun yeh my mate is having a ball in his. I reckon it's the way to go. Still reckon ya need a bigger kite than 10 though in my opinion if ya wanna still be cranked and not having to ride precisely to get as much out of marginal winds.

Hey keep practising ya gybes it will come. I'm not the smoothest either as I only do this on the sector, I don't stuff any up mind you, but it ain't pretty at times

No excuses for ya though, been out on the nugget a few times now and it is just as easy to switch ya feet as the V3 cause of its width.

Keep at it, can give ya some tips of ya want , but I'm relatively gay at it really.

Look, you can get good with your gybes in two sessions if you just leave the tt on the beach and stick with the board...Don't ride too far out, just keep practicing your turns back and forth...I ride both strapped and unstrapped, depending on the type of break and how big it is, and sure it is easier to make the transition without straps, so I would start with that. Once you get the motion down, the with straps it be easier to slide your front foot out and back in. The hardest part is leaving the tt on the beach while you practice! Everybody has a preferred method of the turn, I am a natural footer, so when I am headed out on my natural side I carve the turn first and as I am three quarters of the way around I switch my stance. On my unnatural and total goofy side I bring the kite slightly above me and switch stance before I start the carve so I am riding toeside as I go into the turn. Again, everybody has their way of doing things.
For what its worth, I can't ducktack yet and my mission this summer is to have that down...great way to keep upwind and looks pretty cool too!

Throw the 14 Rpm in there for good measure plenty of pull for wakestyle at 9 knots at 65kg.

dafish said...
Look, you can get good with your gybes in two sessions if you just leave the tt on the beach and stick with the board...Don't ride too far out, just keep practicing your turns back and forth...I ride both strapped and unstrapped, depending on the type of break and how big it is, and sure it is easier to make the transition without straps, so I would start with that. Once you get the motion down, the with straps it be easier to slide your front foot out and back in. The hardest part is leaving the tt on the beach while you practice! Everybody has a preferred method of the turn, I am a natural footer, so when I am headed out on my natural side I carve the turn first and as I am three quarters of the way around I switch my stance. On my unnatural and total goofy side I bring the kite slightly above me and switch stance before I start the carve so I am riding toeside as I go into the turn. Again, everybody has their way of doing things.
For what its worth, I can't ducktack yet and my mission this summer is to have that down...great way to keep upwind and looks pretty cool too!

Yeh that's my technique to...can't get on my toes the other way on the sector just yet! Maybe never will. Love to ride toeside the other way though, smash the left handers like the goofies!