kiterboy said...

Baz said...

...Just to rub salt in, had four great days of kiting where none of the misbehavior mentioned has occured.

Exactly.
All the whining on this forum makes the (non)issues seem far worse than they really are.
And I'm sure that having the whining directed to you as the head of the association makes it seem like the (non)issues are far worse than they really are.

Reality check to all you whiners; if you were really concerned, you'd make a stand and take an active role in speaking to these seemingly rampant unbiquitous irresponsible kiters, instead of hiding on a forum and complaining your fearful little asses off about it.

sebol said...

Absolutely NO
Better have a fast boat to chase me

damn straight.

Andrash said...
The question is who is going to regulate kite boarding in Perth metro? The councils have the authority, the money, and officials who are eager to justify their salary by introducing new regulations. Obviously, local councils represent the majority, and they will act accordingly. After a regulation has been made we have no say. And their rules will be far worse, that what we initiate ourselves. Timing is crucial... if we don't do it now, the councils will do it sooner or later, and from there, there is no way back to the good old days.........

True words.
No one gives a f*ck about kiting except kiters; don't be so quick to give the power to the ignorant masses.

Time to grow up kiddies.

awesome, pot and kettle "kiterboy"
great help, thanks

kiterboy said...

the walks said...
awesome, pot and kettle "kiterboy"
great help, thanks

Please explain?

You said yourself; the godly-clubbies don't give a stuff about helping or learning about our sport.

Do you want local parking inspectors to do the regulating for us?

please explain? people hiding on the forums....
As for who is going to regulate? i don't know but something needs to be done in "perth metro" before its taken out of kiters hands. People who don't think this is a problem need to pull there heads out of the sand and wise up. This thread was started for positive feedback, as everything juddy has done in the last 2 years as pressie, kudos.
Godly was never mentioned and i can only speak about some of the more mature clubbies at my local.

No probs I will just add it to my drivers license, my car ergo, my caravan rego, my trailor rego, my fishing license, my skippers ticket, my crayfish license , my Wankcot rego as a teacher, my working with kids and police clearance fees, my council fees, my water rates, my health insurance, my life insurance, my car, trailor, caravan and house insurance, my diver ticket my......a kiting license hey. Yeh good one.

Glad that got sorted.
Whats next.......

lotofwind said...

The only fix is to ban kiting in Perth, you rednecks over there are giving all of us a bad name and will destroy kitesurfing Australia wide.

Lucky you guys dont have daylight savings, imagin how much more damage you could do if you had an extra hour of daylight every day.

I agree. In the interests of wind redistribution (like redistribution of wealth), I vote that given WA has been irresponsible in its management of the wind, we redistribute the wind to all the other locations until they can prove they are capable of self managing their wind.

The wind will be taken away from Perth and redistributed to all the other kiting locations. WA will now receive wind once a week for the next 6 months. If they prove they are capable of controlling their kiters in that wind, we'll give them another day of wind and see how things progress.

kiterboy said...

the walks said...
...but something needs to be done in "perth metro" before its taken out of kiters hands.

Exactly.

the walks said...
This thread was started for positive feedback

Fixed that for you.

the walks said...
everything juddy has done in the last 2 years as pressie, kudos.

No disagreement there.

However, having all the complaints directed at you has to skew anyone's view of the issues at hand.
Which naturally would have anyone considering unecessary measures such as regulation by outside parties.
Cause lets face it, no volunteer organisation is going to have the resources to police a set of regulations, which means a third party will have to take up the role if enough people scream for it.
once that's done, it's all out of the control of the people who have the most to lose.
Us.

I don't hide on forums complaining about other kiters, I speak to them on the beach.

the walks said...
Godly was never mentioned and i can only speak about some of the more mature clubbies at my local.

Fair enough, but I didn't say you did say it, but a lot of comments on here make it seem like some people do think that and that they are the answer to the problem.
Granted, their help would be good and welcome, but you did say that they weren't interested in free education about something that happens in their 'jurisdiction'.


People need to stop and think, and stop being ready to give up their civil liberties so easily.
Regulation should be a last resort.

There have been many suggestions on here, not resorting to regulation, that would be workable if people actually wanted to do something about it, rather than look for a third party to solve all their problems, but on the same token will cost all of us in money and heartache.

You seem like a well educated guy/gal ? There's several spots on waksa's comittee if you fancy. I agree with most of your thoughts oh, by the way, Regulation has already started, Mullaloo, Scabs etc....

surfingboye said...

Go hit the beach and kite, stop over thinking it and have fun

Yup, This is clearly the root of the problem...the semi-autistic me me me fun fun fun alpha male who often has good skills and is seen as a role model by the rest of the crew.

dachopper said...
there's no substitute for common sense. Get in it!

If more of the population had this we would not have needed these five pages.

Instead lets petition the Government for a parenting licence before giving birth to a child

This would solve a sh1t load of problems including car breakins at our beach car parks, stolen kites, bogus kite sales online, scam emails, kites in trees, showing off near the shore, who has right of way on a wave, sailing though the middle of swim zones and hopefully excess luggage fees on plans

"Who Wants to be a Registered Kiter"
No-one when you get this sort of response
Approached a guy flying & self landing his flysurfer kite on the carpark grass at Contacios (nth end of Scarbs) today. Apparently demonstrating how it works.
Approach was as friendly as possible explaining that the issue to retain kiting at Brighton (sth end of (Scarbs) a few years back was a very agreeable compromise with council. Kiters would self regulate to prevent kiters from flying their kites at 12 while walking through the dunes to the grass area to pack down. The council would widen the walkway to accomodate kiters walking landed kites to the grass area for pack down.
All good ever since with almost 100% compliance.

Rather than accepting that this was a reasonable expectation of kiters the two concerned accused me of looking for an argument and that I was not prepared to listen to their arguments that it was only a once off, there was no-one around (but there was) and that the kite was misbehaving anyhow so it wasnt a problem. WTF.
I tried to point out that one kite there today - in front of no less than 5 vans of teuros - would indicate to anyone that it was probably OK.
I ws dismissed by person 2 suggesting they just agree (but totally ignore) what I was saying.

Its a tough call laying yourself on the line - but please dont let this dissuade you. Its essential that the stupidity of irresponsible behaviour as blatant as this is pointed out. Despite their dismissive response Im pretty sure they wont do it again.

lotofwind said...

The only fix is to ban kiting in Perth, you rednecks over there are giving all of us a bad name and will destroy kitesurfing Australia wide.

Lucky you guys dont have daylight savings, imagin how much more damage you could do if you had an extra hour of daylight every day.

because the ratio of f%#Kw!ts in population is far higher in the west. there's absolutely NONE that would screw it up if the east coast had our wind.

Imagine registering a kiter and then having anally retentive people checking on each other. No thanks.... If you think like that then go play golf. Kiting is about freedom, life and love of water, not stupid rules, committees, sniping, dress codes etc. Get real and be nice to everyone...

Triggerhappy said...

Imagine registering a kiter and then having anally retentive people checking on each other. No thanks.... If you think like that then go play golf. Kiting is about freedom, life and love of water, not stupid rules, committees, sniping, dress codes etc. Get real and be nice to everyone...

Unfortunately being nice to people doesn't work. There are douches who don't care about anyone else and being nice to them just results in them abusing the rules. The reality is kiting WAS about freedom. Now its about maintaining the freedom to have access to the beaches we kite at thanks to the dickheads that continually endanger access to our sport.

That said, your post does highlight the stereotypical response from most of the kiters here on seabreeze. The generic "We don't need no stinking rules" response does get a little boring when none of these responses offer any alternative except "We want our freedom" and "No thanks". It seems the majority of these respondents want to right to kite at their local, but don't want to actually have to do anything to have that right. Sure, its a right you may argue, but I'm willing to bet its the same group of people who don't approach other kiters on the beach when they do something wrong, and its the same group of kiters who will be bitching like hell later about their "rights" when their local spot gets banned due to the actions of some douche.

So how about rather than just posting generic "We don't want no stinking license crap" responses, post something constructive, like how you think its best to address the issue, because like it or not, it is an issue and its an issue for everyone, not just WA. Don't give me this "self policing" crap, because I've yet to see one beach where this actually works.

eppo said...

No probs I will just add it to my drivers license, my car ergo, my caravan rego, my trailor rego, my fishing license, my skippers ticket, my crayfish license , my Wankcot rego as a teacher, my working with kids and police clearance fees, my council fees, my water rates, my health insurance, my life insurance, my car, trailor, caravan and house insurance, my diver ticket my......a kiting license hey. Yeh good one.

No-one wants to have compulsory registration for kiting, but unless it's done, the sport will suffer due to bans and restrictions. Self policing is not going to work. There needs to be some way of reducing/eliminating the kiter noobs, morons, incompetent ones etc that are responsible for the numerous, daily f**k ups that are giving kiting a bad name.



And this is just hopelessly naive and out of touch with reality -

Triggerhappy said...

Imagine registering a kiter and then having anally retentive people checking on each other. No thanks.... If you think like that then go play golf. Kiting is about freedom, life and love of water, not stupid rules, committees, sniping, dress codes etc. Get real and be nice to everyone...

^^^^Idiot tax I will be broke befor I even get to the beach

Well I think we can all agree that the club idea is the best idea... Who's keen? How do we get this on the way and what is the best structure for it?