Spot on Stamp

Props to the man for trying something different and pushing the boundaries.

If we look back the guy who first came up with a bridled kite was probably told 'it will never work' as well.

Personally I would love to get hold of a demo of one of these and see for myself.

stamp said...

junglist said...

bordridemaui said...
I'm just finishing up this reply and see Kitepower's comment. Ouch! "So called"? I'm about hype and publicity? Really? Damn. I suck.

WHAT!?!?

What happened to that post?? Dont tell me the Manchester United of the kitesurfing world just got a red card from Laurie!!!

Sick man

maybe steve suddenly realised he has agreed to stock them...

to all the naysayers: if it wasn't for people pushing boundaries and trying new designs we'd all still be on 2 line foils. hats off to you boardridemaui- it takes a lot of guts and passion to devote your life to innovation. if your idea doesn't take off everyone beats their chest and says 'i told you so'. if it is successful people just quietly take the end product for granted without thinking about the sacrifices made.

Spot-on!!!
Thanks to all those that innovate... I'm really enjoying the fruits of your labour.

I can't believe some people are seriously getting their knickers in a knot about others being skeptical about this design and it's possible flaws... This is a Forum, that is the whole purpose of a forum - to discuss and share various view points on given subjects.
How boring would this be if everybody just came online gave this guy blowies and said how amazing his design is. It's great people are trying new things, I'm all for thinking outside the box, but that doesn't mean every new strange design should be automatically praised. Lets remember Super flat bows, Naish Seagulls, Slingshot bat kite, Windwing shapes, etc... All claiming to be the next BIG innovation in kite design at a point in time, none were.

To the guy designing this thing, I wish you the best of luck. I'm not trying to harm your sales or rubbish your design for no reason. Personally I don't think your design will gel with consumers regardless of how much better it is than a normal kite, I think you will have a hard time convincing people to buy this thing. That's just my opinion of course. Marketing is the biggest part of launching a new product, remember that.

Agree with sir rowdy, but also sir rowdy the same thing applies. People can rubbish what you are rubbishing. Hey I'm the red thumb king!! I get rubbished all the time. But I know I've been around longer than most so I don't give a flying Farq what people say. I know my sh1t. Then again I'm always open to learning from others and I still do, even from those less experienced.

Now to the strut less guy the best from of marketing is to get some of your kites over here, with someone you trust and get us experienced riders to get on them.

That is the best form of marketing, let the consumers drive your exposure and sales. In this over saturated market this is the only way I would say.

To all the negative heads: Here's the bottom line... NONE of you have actually FLOWN this guys kite have you?? I'm not talking about 'something similar' but THIS particular kite. To me at least, until you have, how can you possibly have a valid opinion on the matter? Sure, you can express your doubts, but to flat out rubbish it is just senseless, and serves no purpose at all..

Comments like this Rowdy:

I just hope I will remember about this thread when this kite never gets properly used (freestyle, kiteloops e.g. "kiteboarding") by anyone...
But the real question is when should I dig it back up? I mean how long will I need to wait before it's properly classified as a flop???

are why people get their knickers in a knot. It's like you can't wait to see this guys dream fail. How farkin childish... I notice that you've softened your stance somewhat since a few people have arced up though, which is interesting...

And NO, I have never met, or had any correspondence with Boardridemaui, nor have any affiliation whatsoever with his brand, I'm just not into uninformed bashing of anyone who is having a crack at something new, and as he says himself, betting his whole life on it.

Have a go on the kite, and then, and only then, if you hate it, you have a VALID opinion - and every right to rubbish it if you so desire.

Good luck to the designer, and don't let the naysayers get you down mate!

Rowdy, you make me laugh. Greg Drexler who designed this kite probably has a million more hours on the water than you have and including his 5th place on the world tour in 2001 and working for Naish for many years is much better placed on kite design than you ever will.

You say that no good kiter will ever ride this thing. Many already have at kite beach in Maui. This thing is not about hype or promotion. It's about simplicity and function.

I reckon it's going to do really well.

wal269 said...
Sir Rowdy = Most number of posts = Lowest actual contribution = Rubbish

You're right, that does sound like rubbish haha. Good grammar man .

sir ROWDY said...
"If it works it works"... yep great logic there, thanks for that insightful bit of information.

Major negatives of design (off the top of my head).

1. Extreme leech flutter.
2. Extreme canopy flutter in higher winds or when powered.
3. Wear on beach from flutter in wind and against sand.
4. Very hard to carry pumped up especially in a sheltered environment.
5. Crash it in the waves and you're fingered.
6. Flys like a plastic bag.

Had a good giggle at this post!

Pity I'm the new guy in the office and whilst trying to suppress my laughter I sound like I'm having some form of stroke.

stabber kites is gonna introduce a strutless kite , but its ucked (with a capital "F"), so don't buy it.
But it will be cheap, and made in china so it might catch on...

sir ROWDY said...
Geez, tough crowd. Can't have a joke, can't have an opinion... got it.

My strongest opinion in regards to this design is;
Whether I have tried it or not, doesn't matter, the fact is people are going to be thinking the exact same views as I expressed earlier (whether they are true or not) and that is going to be the single biggest hurdle to overcome for this design to be successful in the marketplace. May I add it is totally irrespective of how well it works, people will still be thinking these things.

Thus I don't need to test it to have a valid opinion and others with the same view point as me are only highlighting that.

So.. You never demo gear before you buy it then, is that it Rowdy? You just look at a kite, decide you don't like it, and then bag it out?? Mate, open your mind and you'll be amazed at the world that'll open up to you...

Stevo J said...

sir ROWDY said...
Geez, tough crowd. Can't have a joke, can't have an opinion... got it.

My strongest opinion in regards to this design is;
Whether I have tried it or not, doesn't matter, the fact is people are going to be thinking the exact same views as I expressed earlier (whether they are true or not) and that is going to be the single biggest hurdle to overcome for this design to be successful in the marketplace. May I add it is totally irrespective of how well it works, people will still be thinking these things.

Thus I don't need to test it to have a valid opinion and others with the same view point as me are only highlighting that.

So.. You never demo gear before you buy it then, is that it Rowdy? You just look at a kite, decide you don't like it, and then bag it out?? Mate, open your mind and you'll be amazed at the world that'll open up to you...

It's almost as though you didn't read a word of what you quoted from me... nah, surely not.

p.s.
Mate my world is more open than most, don't worry about me I will be fine ;) .

Best no-wind entertainment ever, keep the blood loss coming guys! .

juicerider said...
It make me laugh reading post like this, so many people with such strong opinions and you've only a youtube video to judge it on.

Appart from the designer and Rowdy, has anyone else here ever flown a kite without struts?

do foils count

sir ROWDY said...

Reasons why I don't like kites without centre struts:

1. Kite turns faster - who needs a faster kite? Kites are already too quick.
2. Can't carry kite properly in wind shadows.
3. Bow-ties are usually worse and harder to get out of.
4. More struts are often used as 4 isn't usually enough to stop flutter in canopy (i.e. 6 vs 5) adding unwanted weight and using more fabric.
5. There is no point.
6. kite folds in half way easier when overpowered as there is no middle strut to add important rigidity.
7. As soon as the kite gets a little soft from temperature change of water in a crash it folds in half when trying to relaunch, making relaunching a pain when it shouldn't be (in the same manner high aspect kites do).

Reasons why I like kites with no centre strut:

1. Kite turns faster - I dig fast kites in waves.
2. It's easy to carry cause it's light in the belly.
3. It never bow-ties cause it's not a foil or a 5-liner.
4. It never flutters.
5. There is a point in having less drag.
6. Kite never folds in half cause I pump it rockfucinghard.
7. It has auto relaunch.

Cliff notes of this thread:

1. thread is posted in good humour about kite having struts
2. Rowdy comes in rambo style thinking he is some sort of kite design and research god that knows all there is to know and rips on something as if having tested and evaluated it grouping it with other kites that are not the same when all he has is a picture and an assumption
3. Seabreeze mostly disagrees with his over assumption and a verbal riot persues
4. Said kite designer shows up replying very maturely and politely in rebutal
5. Rowdy back pedals and plays the "cant take a joke" , " can't have an opinion"
6. Seabreeze continues to support designer

And my predicted 7:
7. Rowdy learns his lesson

Note Rowdy that you made it obvious that you didnt like people pulling you up on what you though with how you said "can't have an opinion". Well it is the designers opinion that his design is worth investigating, and you completely ripped on his design and thus his opinion so your only being a hypocrit and showing double standards by not liking that your being ripped on for your own opinion.