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cwamit
cwamit
WA
1194 posts
WA, 1194 posts
11 Oct 2007 8:40am
lol...many kiter don't come to read this forum or any forum for that matter .

I still think signage may be the best way to go for you guys..everyone knows offshore has its pottential risks..why the individual kites in those conditions is the question ...good flat water for the leet tricks ...the points I mentioned previously are why perhaps less experienced go out there as opposed to safer water...

worse case scenario would be conclusion of a coroner's report saying offshort conditions at woodland is dangerous and that area should be banned to kiters..... then what will be remembered.. this topic or how good offshore woodies used to be..lol

lex123
lex123
NSW
511 posts
NSW, 511 posts
11 Oct 2007 11:07am
The more people taking part in kitesurfing means that teh price of kite gear will go down and more support you will have to keep areas like woodies open to kiters.

Im shocked at how little effort you guys seem to put into helping people get into the sport. Back in my mountainbiking days i reember the senior riders like myself going outa their way to make sure that the noobies take teh right lines through drops and jumps and that their gear and armour was up to the task. Me and my mates even took new riders with us on our ride days to help them progress and make sure that they were safe "never ride alone" goes for all adventure sports.

Granted its alot harder with kiting because of the risk of getting cought in teh lines and such.
I know i wont because im poor and lessons are heaps expensive (uni student), but it probably is best for every new kiter to take lessons till the point where they can go consistantly upwind before venturing on their own.

Mby a Australia wide kite rating system is needed much like ski slopes?. Black, Double black etc depending on wind direction.
brooksy
brooksy
WA
498 posts
WA, 498 posts
11 Oct 2007 10:39am
Do you put signs up at every beach to tell surfers not to surf? Or only surf if they are good?

No.

You self regulate and let every person make up their own mind based on their abilities and the conditions.

It's no different for kiting, sailing, swimming, running or any sport.

Woodies offshore (or beach 3), is probably one of the safest beaches in Perth when the wind is onshore! Problem is the wind is rarely on shore there.

Do we really need to sign post every beach, for those who will probably choose to ignore the sign anyway?

The answer is CLEAR!

Conditions
-Wind strength
-Wind direction
-Always keep downwind area well clear
-Waves, tides & currents
-Consider possible changes

Look
-Before you launch, land, jump, jibe, etc

Equipment
-Always pre-flight check
-Use a kite leash
-Use a quick release on anything you hook into
-Practise using your safety systems regularly so that it becomes instinctive
-Never exceed manufacturers specifications

Attitude
-Always seek and listen to local advice
-Don't exceed your limitations
-Use judgement to prevent situations, not rely on skill to try and get out of it

Respect
-Others - be considerate and courteous to all other water and beach users
-The law
-Fellow kiters - follow right of way rules
-The environment
gruezi
gruezi
WA
3464 posts
WA, 3464 posts
11 Oct 2007 11:01am
Right on Brooksy, sounds like your coming back to WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, cool, look forward to seeing you soon.
Juddy
Juddy
WA
1103 posts
WA, 1103 posts
11 Oct 2007 11:06am
Brooksy,
I have to disagree with you mate. If local councils can put up signage saying "don't surf here" or "don't dive here because of shallow water" or "surf craft outside the swimming areas", what's wrong with a sign supporting/advising newbs to not use Woodies off-shore?

Yeah, yeah, signs might be seen to be "regulating" the ultra extreme sport we all love (and that would be sooo uncool wouldn't it) but without an appointed beach marshall/sherriff/beach bouncer, who's going to be the one telling the newbs to go to the other beaches?

Ultimately, it was a suggestion...
Skinner
Skinner
ACT
55 posts
ACT, 55 posts
11 Oct 2007 1:19pm
While I agree with most of the sentiments here regarding personal responsibility, I think someone needs to put the brakes on Toby's cavalier king-of-the-world attitude.

Yes site selection and wind direction are basics of kiteboarding, but unless you pull up some newbie making what is (to you) a basic mistake you certainly have no right to b!tch and moan about it.

Even though I can perform most of the prerequisites discussed above, I still wouldn't kite the flatside as I'm not 100% confident I wouldn't end up in Freo if something went wrong. But I can tell you this Toby, if you came up and stomped your foot thru the canopy of my kite because I've committed some perceived wrong, you would meet a very unpleasant end.

I, too, don't want any beaches banned from kiting, but you need to dial your mouth down and pull your head in - Woodmans Point is not your personal beach.
You are the reason kiters have a bad reputation.

Skinner
Dawn Patrol
Dawn Patrol
WA
1991 posts
WA, 1991 posts
11 Oct 2007 11:28am
I'm with brooksy.
This sort of stuff is taught in the learning progress when lessons are taken. Never ride in offshore conditions unless you are prepared for the consequences, and only if you are confident with your skills to keep you out of danger.
Most people out there are adults, and have got the brains to make their own decisions.
If you are new to a certain spot, have a chat to the local crew. Kiters are friendly people and will be happy to help.
Who wants to see 400signs along the beach. Some people have to learn the hard way and need a good scare to get them straight.
But, if you see someone who seems a little unsure, have a chat with them. Tell them about the place. Its not a difficult thing to do.
t o b y
t o b y
WA
530 posts
WA, 530 posts
11 Oct 2007 11:30am
quote:
Originally posted by lex123

The more people taking part in kitesurfing means that teh price of kite gear will go down and more support you will have to keep areas like woodies open to kiters.

Im shocked at how little effort you guys seem to put into helping people get into the sport. Back in my mountainbiking days i reember the senior riders like myself going outa their way to make sure that the noobies take teh right lines through drops and jumps and that their gear and armour was up to the task. Me and my mates even took new riders with us on our ride days to help them progress and make sure that they were safe "never ride alone" goes for all adventure sports.

Granted its alot harder with kiting because of the risk of getting cought in teh lines and such.
I know i wont because im poor and lessons are heaps expensive (uni student), but it probably is best for every new kiter to take lessons till the point where they can go consistantly upwind before venturing on their own.

Mby a Australia wide kite rating system is needed much like ski slopes?. Black, Double black etc depending on wind direction.





signs don't do ****! most of the people that get in trouble already think they rip!

have you ever kitted the spot in question? and if so on a busy day.

if no then get some perspective and until then don't bother commenting on **** you have no idea about!

and the ski idea... LOL
t o b y
t o b y
WA
530 posts
WA, 530 posts
11 Oct 2007 11:38am
quote:
Originally posted by Charl dv

im not saying wat u did was wrong or anything... im sayin toby says its driled that under no circumstances should you kite offshore breezes, regardless of his skill he is still giving advice that he himself is not following. nowhere in lessons do they say, NEVER kite offshore winds unless u can kite suicide or anything. its just a point that shouldnt be braught up as it puts other kiters in the wrong in the debate.

regardless of tobys posts etc. i still think its stupid to go kite woodmans if ur not gona unhook anyway.. flat water gets boring if you dont do wakey or powered tricks! i agree, woodmans should really only be for experienced kiters simply because of safety, maybe that should be a pre requisite for kiting at offshore woodies: only kite there if u can competently land powered tricks and stay upwind.



dont try to take every thing i say out of perspective!
you know what i mean...

have you ever kitted woodys?

if your not part of the solution your part of the problem....

by that i mean if you try to rescue some one at woody's, your part of the problem!

( this excludes locals)
lex123
lex123
NSW
511 posts
NSW, 511 posts
11 Oct 2007 2:13pm
quote:
Originally posted by t o b y

quote:
Originally posted by lex123

The more people taking part in kitesurfing means that teh price of kite gear will go down and more support you will have to keep areas like woodies open to kiters.

Im shocked at how little effort you guys seem to put into helping people get into the sport. Back in my mountainbiking days i reember the senior riders like myself going outa their way to make sure that the noobies take teh right lines through drops and jumps and that their gear and armour was up to the task. Me and my mates even took new riders with us on our ride days to help them progress and make sure that they were safe "never ride alone" goes for all adventure sports.

Granted its alot harder with kiting because of the risk of getting cought in teh lines and such.
I know i wont because im poor and lessons are heaps expensive (uni student), but it probably is best for every new kiter to take lessons till the point where they can go consistantly upwind before venturing on their own.

Mby a Australia wide kite rating system is needed much like ski slopes?. Black, Double black etc depending on wind direction.





signs don't do ****! most of the people that get in trouble already think they rip!

have you ever kitted the spot in question? and if so on a busy day.

if no then get some perspective and until then don't bother commenting on **** you have no idea about!

and the ski idea... LOL



No I havn't im a NSW kiter sydney based and am still very much a beginer. My comments are just kiting in generall and are not ment to be specific to woodies.

On second thoughts
Signs= more things to potentialy crash into. But if this is an ongoing thing with your area, obviously something needs to be done. And excluding and trash talking new kiters and any non locals from a public beach isn't the answer.
gruezi
gruezi
WA
3464 posts
WA, 3464 posts
11 Oct 2007 12:28pm
Everyone that I know has been caught adrift in the ocean, not something fun at all...but hey I've done the "Woodies Drift" a few times, and if you get eaten, you'll never do it again.

There have been no tragics at Woodies because of the young guys and gals on this forum. They do not want to be policemen at all....that is the last for them, but they are passionate about their kiting; no, it is not their ocean, that is not the point at all. Woodies West is so crowded with beginners these days, that our best riders are spending whole days rescuing people etc., that they are sad. Some language may come across as "ghetto," but hey it is just another form of speak....these guys and gals have hearts of gold...just passionate young people.

Things will spread out, and I had the place with Puppet all to myself for hours the other day.........plenty of space at Woodies...but everyone wants to kite the 50 SqM "sweet spot" and that is the problem really.
Supersane
Supersane
NSW
174 posts
NSW, 174 posts
11 Oct 2007 6:05pm
As a beginner I've been helped out at woodies. But me and my mate were intervened on the beach before getting into the water. No fuss, no agro and much appreciated. I don't reckon that kiters have got a bad reputation, I don't think you'll read much on saftey in a surfing forum / mag.

There's plenty of room at woodies and everyone was a beginner at one stage....
Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
SA
2288 posts
SA, 2288 posts
11 Oct 2007 5:45pm
quote:
Originally posted by Supersane

As a beginner I've been helped out at woodies. But me and my mate were intervened on the beach before getting into the water. No fuss, no agro and much appreciated. I don't reckon that kiters have got a bad reputation, I don't think you'll read much on saftey in a surfing forum / mag.

There's plenty of room at woodies and everyone was a beginner at one stage....



I intervened after I saw that guy go out to the next two crossbow guys that came down that ooked a bit begginerish... Saved them when the wind dropped cause they knew not to go out too far.
hosko
hosko
WA
393 posts
WA, 393 posts
11 Oct 2007 5:10pm
wow! do you want a medal fanta pants?
kitecrazzzy
kitecrazzzy
WA
2184 posts
WA, 2184 posts
11 Oct 2007 5:10pm
alright, heres what happens when you try be friendly. you get people telling you to mind your own business, then when they are getting owned on the beach you can laugh but at woodies it will get the locals banned so they dont laugh.
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
11 Oct 2007 9:42pm
quote:
Originally posted by Spacemonkey!
***Woodman Point Offshore side is not a place to even consider going unless you can competently ride upwind, water launch and self rescue.***



You Woody-homos wouldn't turn-away a car-load of red-hot, newbie kite-babes....would ya ?
....even if the babes couldn't ride upwind, water relaunch and self-rescue ?
You wouldn't ???
lol.
Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
SA
2288 posts
SA, 2288 posts
11 Oct 2007 11:18pm
quote:
Originally posted by waveslave

You Woody-homos wouldn't turn-away a car-load of red-hot, newbie kite-babes....would ya ?
....even if the babes couldn't ride upwind, water relaunch and self-rescue ?
You wouldn't ???
lol.



Maybe you should give us some pointers then Mr. Slave on how to run your local spot, I mean it must be easy to monitor it 24 hours a day given you don't have a job. Also you don't have to spend as much time on the water because you only have a kite adequate to pull around a grom, so you have to wait for the swell to be really blown out. You can just sit in the car park and bitch, and give out pointers on how to rip. Lol.
carbine
carbine
WA
1446 posts
WA, 1446 posts
11 Oct 2007 10:00pm
Hook knifes unite to protect woodies!
dave......
dave......
WA
2119 posts
WA, 2119 posts
11 Oct 2007 11:03pm
LOL..... the most over-used acronym. I have the patent, give me a dollar every time you use it or I'll sue you!
LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL. It's like saying "um" in a sentence.

FAQ, BTW, POQAQ from woodies unless you are the most influential, wakestyle, progressive, DIPK ( drop in professional kiteboarder), nu skool, dowered move kiteboarder...LOL

Is VB man banned then as he's sooooooo old school...BTW, LOL
Dawn Patrol
Dawn Patrol
WA
1991 posts
WA, 1991 posts
11 Oct 2007 11:24pm
Whilst on the topic of people being dangerous. The other day i left my kite on the beach while i went for a quick bodysurf, as there was not enough wind.
Some joker comes along, set up his kite just upwind from mine, and upwind from a couple. My kite was left well out of the way, my lines were wound and was in a safe position. So this bloke gets a launch, as i am coming out of the water (ever so gracefully) , the kite bounces along the beach, and one of his lines gets clipped on my kite. Then he losses control and almost cleans up the couple on the beach.
He ended up getting the kite up, and left on his merry-way, board-leash and all, only to be doing the walk of shame 5mins later.
A little common sense can go a looooooonnnnnnnngggggg way.
rjo
rjo
WA
4 posts
rjo rjo
WA, 4 posts
12 Oct 2007 11:50am
I'd like to put my 5 cents worth in.

It's all about good communication. Signage is the best step after after acredited instruction.

I ride motorcycles, a bit better than i kite. I've done police rider training and the first thing the cops say is that unfortunately the people that need to do the course will never do them because they think they know better. This runs true with a lot of these Newbs.

I'm always open to hear what people have to tell me, I use my intellegence to make a decision.

Pride goes before a fall.

By the way I'm using my intellegence to get off the crazy road, sell my bike and buy more kites

wankymonkey
wankymonkey
WA
1 posts
WA, 1 posts
12 Oct 2007 1:38pm
SM get over yourself.


SM you'll never make the PKRA. Why? Because the world isn't like woodies and people like you can't ride in more than 10 inch chop.

Noobs need flat water.

Real men like Mr Slave. Can ride waves.

meerkat
meerkat
WA
644 posts
WA, 644 posts
12 Oct 2007 2:01pm
quote:
Originally posted by ****ymonkey

SM get over yourself.


SM you'll never make the PKRA. Why? Because the world isn't like woodies and people like you can't ride in more than 10 inch chop.




Wow! thats really clever. did you manage to come up with that yourself?

Read SM's posts properly and notice that despite his ranting he is actually trying to be helpful and prevent injuries.
Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
SA
2288 posts
SA, 2288 posts
12 Oct 2007 4:14pm
quote:
Originally posted by ****ymonkey

SM get over yourself.


SM you'll never make the PKRA. Why? Because the world isn't like woodies and people like you can't ride in more than 10 inch chop.

Noobs need flat water.

Real men like Mr Slave. Can ride waves.





Made a new profile just for that, I'm honoured. I'm no where near good enough for PKRA lol, I just enjoy riding. I'm glad you felt the urge to sign up to defend your pal' waveslave.
Flux
Flux
WA
533 posts
WA, 533 posts
13 Oct 2007 2:02pm
LOL
WEZ
WEZ
WA
17 posts
WEZ WEZ
WA, 17 posts
13 Oct 2007 3:47pm
I thought this sport was classed as extreme, you lot just sounnd like a load of ******s.
I dont care if you can go up wind or do a backmobe just have fun and stay out of my way!!

PS If everybody stopped helping people on off shore winds,
less people would think off shore is safe and the sharks would be alot fatter.
cwamit
cwamit
WA
1194 posts
WA, 1194 posts
13 Oct 2007 7:35pm
quote:
Originally posted by WEZ

I thought this sport was classed as extreme, you lot just sounnd like a load of ******s.
I dont care if you can go up wind or do a backmobe just have fun and stay out of my way!!

PS If everybody stopped helping people on off shore winds,
less people would think off shore is safe and the sharks would be alot fatter.



Ha-ha, sorry to break your heart kiddo (and other kiddies that gave you the green thumbs), but no! It’s not extreme it’s about geeks that use kites to pull themselves around on the water.

If you want to claim extreme (maybe to pull chicks?) then try yodeling abba songs at a biker’s rock festival – that would go down well.
Greenfinger
Greenfinger
WA
239 posts
WA, 239 posts
13 Oct 2007 8:15pm
Spot on Wez.
Double greenfingers, Er thumbs from me
Good to hear from someone who rips it up not having the we're so hot so piss off attitude
O, and I do agree beginners should not go the offshore.
Flux
Flux
WA
533 posts
WA, 533 posts
13 Oct 2007 9:44pm
yea what wez and greenfinger said
dave......
dave......
WA
2119 posts
WA, 2119 posts
14 Oct 2007 9:43pm
Saw a couple of complete W#n&%#s down there today. went to kitesurf offshore side today with a mate and these supposed locals, were eyeballing my friend and doing some gay punching thing into their other hand. One of the other guys was calling his boardshorts gay.
Thanks for the warm, inviting vibe. Considering you were all just sitting on the beach and playing with your kites,you guys have no right. I'm happy to name and shame but you know who you are and need to get over yourselves.
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