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Spacemonkey!

2288 posts

Spacemonkey!

SA, 2288 posts

9 Oct 2007 11:14pm

***Woodman Point Offshore side is not a place to even consider going unless you can competently ride upwind, water launch and self rescue.***

This follows after a guy today on a Crossbow attempted to ride there when he wasn't able to plane for more than 2m at a time. Nautrally he drifted out to sea, which isn't why I am angry. The reason is because after he drifted out for a bit he started making his way for the jetty and crashed. At this stage the barge was trying to dock and had to stop for about 5 minutes while he drifted past. Having to dodge kiters is a good way to get us banned, so please do us all a favour and pick a different beach. For your safety and for the safety of our sport. Hopefully this time the message gets through instead of just blamming woodies kiters with red thumbs just beacue they are trying to protect their spot.

jan

1119 posts

jan

WA, 1119 posts

9 Oct 2007 10:12pm

isnt it really deep with lots of sharks on the offshore side anyway :D

kitecrazzzy

2184 posts

kitecrazzzy

WA, 2184 posts

9 Oct 2007 10:18pm

i saw a shark today... not as worrying as the other locals but

carbine

1446 posts

carbine

WA, 1446 posts

9 Oct 2007 10:48pm

today was like the funny farms day trip to woodmans point.

firstly some blow in tryed to lecture me on my driving skills.

then captain gumby (as mentioned above) went kiting at woodies offshore.

and finally kitecrazzy rocked up.

Knickers

257 posts

Knickers

WA, 257 posts

9 Oct 2007 11:14pm

Well, I'm no doubt risking trouble replying but cant quite help myself, I think I saw you drive, carbine, and I am pleased someone said something- no need for that kind of crap really! Everyone else was enjoying some vibes, and that kind of made it not so nice...

I had fun today, glad I didnt (as a sort of newby!) head to the offshore side on my first time to Woodies. Have to do the journey again soon, maybe risk the offshore side later this season? Promise to you all not to do it till I am 100% sure of not cocking up.

Thanks to all of you who attempted to break into my car for me today.
I have to tell you after all your efforts, the RAC dude took an hour to arrive, but took less than 10 seconds to do the job... I should have got his number come to think of it!

Nic

DaveSpruce

568 posts

DaveSpruce

WA, 568 posts

9 Oct 2007 11:15pm

hahaha... can't wait till summer for those busy busy days.. BRING ON THE KOOKS!

Dawn Patrol

1991 posts

Dawn Patrol

WA, 1991 posts

9 Oct 2007 11:43pm

quote:
Originally posted by Knickers

Thanks to all of you who attempted to break into my car for me today.
I have to tell you after all your efforts, the RAC dude took an hour to arrive, but took less than 10 seconds to do the job... I should have got his number come to think of it!

Nic

You had trouble getting your car broken into at woodies? Should have just walked away for 10-15mins, and bobs ya uncle, nice and open. But maybe down a few windows.

carbine

1446 posts

carbine

WA, 1446 posts

10 Oct 2007 12:02am

quote:
Originally posted by Knickers

Well, I'm no doubt risking trouble replying but cant quite help myself, I think I saw you drive, carbine, and I am pleased someone said something- no need for that kind of crap really! Everyone else was enjoying some vibes, and that kind of made it not so nice...

yeah i was driving like a retard. I make no excuses for that.

Just a little pissed to rock up to my local beach at 2pm and witness 10 people (usually the place would be empty) i have never seen before, and 0 crew. Then to have one of them lecture me. didnt cut it for me.

if u want chilled vibes, some brews and some car billies go to beach 1 . Offshore is all angst.

DaveSpruce

568 posts

DaveSpruce

WA, 568 posts

10 Oct 2007 11:31am

quote:
Originally posted by carbine

quote:
Originally posted by Knickers

Well, I'm no doubt risking trouble replying but cant quite help myself, I think I saw you drive, carbine, and I am pleased someone said something- no need for that kind of crap really! Everyone else was enjoying some vibes, and that kind of made it not so nice...

yeah i was driving like a retard. I make no excuses for that.

Just a little pissed to rock up to my local beach at 2pm and witness 10 people (usually the place would be empty) i have never seen before, and 0 crew. Then to have one of them lecture me. didnt cut it for me.

if u want chilled vibes, some brews and some car billies go to beach 1 . Offshore is all angst.

hahaha angst

love it, I'll be there

pearl

NSW

984 posts

pearl

NSW, 984 posts

10 Oct 2007 3:11pm

quote:
Originally posted by Knickers

Thanks to all of you who attempted to break into my car for me today.
I have to tell you after all your efforts, the RAC dude took an hour to arrive, but took less than 10 seconds to do the job... I should have got his number come to think of it!

Nic

It's off topic but; I have heard of unlocking your car if you can contact someone with a spare remote to your vehicle and you both have cell phones. Doesn't work on my car, but I know someone else who says it does on theirs.
www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/phonelocks.html

Juddy

1103 posts

Juddy

WA, 1103 posts

10 Oct 2007 1:14pm

At the risk of pointing out an all too easy solution to the Woodies crews' issues about newbs down there, have any of the regulars considered putting up some sort of signage pointing newbs to the appropriate beaches?

Don't kite there, don't know if there's signage already, but maybe, just maybe that might help...

meerkat

644 posts

meerkat

WA, 644 posts

10 Oct 2007 1:20pm

quote:
Originally posted by Juddy

At the risk of pointing out an all too easy solution to the Woodies crews' issues about newbs down there, have any of the regulars considered putting up some sort of signage pointing newbs to the appropriate beaches?

Or strap signs to the sharks to see where the deep water is and thus easily avoided.

t o b y

530 posts

t o b y

WA, 530 posts

10 Oct 2007 1:34pm

thing that really pissed me off about that newby nob is that i saw it happening.. then i saw the boat so i went a long way out of my way to tell this guy to stop trying to get going and body drag in but he was to stupid and kept going got in the way of the boat and to inept to body drag in with a kite.

lucky for him he had a board leash which nearly decapitated him several times!

the only reason i went out of my way is because there was a boat coming and i didn't want the spot to get banned so don't think i was trying to help you we were all enjoying watching you getting blow out! and i told you i wasn't going to rescue you!

dont bag me

NSW

16 posts

dont bag me

NSW, 16 posts

10 Oct 2007 5:00pm

So helpful toby!

Next time take your kite knife out there and cut his lines!

He musn't have heard about the submerged pump at the end of the jetty which sucks sand off the bottom - it'll chomp through flesh no problem.

t o b y

530 posts

t o b y

WA, 530 posts

10 Oct 2007 3:12pm

the guy is a nob i was the nice one the others were enjoying it way to much... and if i had a knife i would have cut three lines.

to be honest i was hoping he would get in with out his board because i was going to charge him 200$ to get it back.... that would have been a reasonable price for the guys lesson

kitecrazzzy

2184 posts

kitecrazzzy

WA, 2184 posts

10 Oct 2007 4:52pm

the "boat" is a dredging ship for those who dont realize its a bit of a big deal to get in its way*

cwamit

1194 posts

cwamit

WA, 1194 posts

10 Oct 2007 5:05pm

good idea with some kind of sign about newbies and inexperienced kiters riding in offshore conditions down there.

clearly riding cross offshore has its dangers as well as its positives like clean waves ...

say a newbie comes down to the spot..see all the kites out at this offshore location..

first.they think if people are there its safe..

second lots of kiters find safety in numbers.. so if safer locations are empty...they end up kiting with the leet who can use the better water conditions.

fourth..how many kiters pump up a kite and not try to go out..telling someone after they have pumped a kite up its not safe for inexperienced kiters (when others are out) is probably too late to stop them trying.

lastly if they are down with mates regardless of individual abilities they will kite together...(tourist blow ins for example)

signage might help resolve some of those points or might not..my fingers hurt.

Spacemonkey!

2288 posts

Spacemonkey!

SA, 2288 posts

10 Oct 2007 7:16pm

Ok now you can blam me.

I rigged up at the same time as the "noob" he got out a bit before me. He was struggliung to make it on the onshore side as i kited past him to the offshore side. As I saw him walk over to the offshore side I thought you got to be kidding me, what a noob. Basically I didn't say anything which was a bit of a **** thing to do. Next thing I knew it he was 50m out and unsavable... My logic at the time was to let him pay his dues....

sci

762 posts

sci

WA, 762 posts

10 Oct 2007 7:39pm

Its up to us guys who know better and warn there guys before they put themselves in harms way. We need to police it ourselves and if we see the obvious situation about to escalate just have a word! This is the fourth post with regard to people getting pulled offshore at Woodies in a s many weeks. Its only a matter of time before either the PUMP or GREAT WHITES! get fed!

gruezi

3464 posts

gruezi

WA, 3464 posts

10 Oct 2007 7:51pm

Toby, Carbs. and Monkey Man all have won a hook knife from me...congrts. fellas.

Oakie

268 posts

Oakie

WA, 268 posts

10 Oct 2007 8:44pm

quote:
Originally posted by sci

Its up to us guys who know better and warn there guys before they put themselves in harms way.

No, I do not agree. The first thing your told at lessons, or most people realise on their own is dont go out in an offshore breeze. No discussion, its as simple as that. I dont really think you police every member of the beach. Granted on a quiet day its easy and I done it before, but people have to take repsonsibilty for themselves.

Ive been in the ****, out from the jetty with a frikkin long swim in because I tried to help an experienced rider didn't connect his leash properly in marginal winds. With hindsight, I'd say k'it, your on your own.

But I agree with the comments about the signage - maybe WAKSA has an opinion and could do have some input about the possibility of putting a sign up at the carpark?

sci

762 posts

sci

WA, 762 posts

10 Oct 2007 9:25pm

Agreed I just meant if you see the bloody obvious about to unfold have a word!

lex123

NSW

511 posts

lex123

NSW, 511 posts

10 Oct 2007 11:26pm

quote:
Originally posted by sci

Its up to us guys who know better and warn there guys before they put themselves in harms way. We need to police it ourselves and if we see the obvious situation about to escalate just have a word! This is the fourth post with regard to people getting pulled offshore at Woodies in a s many weeks. Its only a matter of time before either the PUMP or GREAT WHITES! get fed!

Im with SCI. Being a learner myself i often find myself in confusing situations where i can't judge whats a safe condition or area to learn in. Not kiting in a offshore wind is a bit of a given, but calling this poor guy names isnt very constructive or encourgaging. I think its in the best interest of the sport that experianced kiters do whatever they can to help anyone trying to learn and intern help progress the sport.

thats just my 2c

t o b y

530 posts

t o b y

WA, 530 posts

10 Oct 2007 10:49pm

quote:
Originally posted by lex123

quote:
Originally posted by sci

Its up to us guys who know better and warn there guys before they put themselves in harms way. We need to police it ourselves and if we see the obvious situation about to escalate just have a word! This is the fourth post with regard to people getting pulled offshore at Woodies in a s many weeks. Its only a matter of time before either the PUMP or GREAT WHITES! get fed!

Im with SCI. Being a learner myself i often find myself in confusing situations where i can't judge whats a safe condition or area to learn in. Not kiting in a offshore wind is a bit of a given, but calling this poor guy names isnt very constructive or encourgaging. I think its in the best interest of the sport that experianced kiters do whatever they can to help anyone trying to learn and intern help progress the sport.

thats just my 2c

well your both wrong!

in lessons its drilled into students off shore is a big no no, no matter the conditions. if your instructor didn't drill it enough he should be shot. and if there to stupid to realize tuff ****.

if the wind was any lighter i would have just watched!

after this post i regret helping the little i did and its not up to us to stop others from being retards and yes this is a sensitive topic because of the large number of noobs that have caused and will be cause similar problems...

i'm guessing where going to have a few noobs during summer who are going to stuff up wave for a rescue a not get any help then are going to have a hack at the crew for it... that will not be tolerate by some.

and lets be real majority of the people who f up already think there at a much higher level than they are so there not going to listen to a sign telling learners to go to the onshore car park

one of the only signs that might work is

" locals only so f off!" but thats not fair or polite.

well not polite

if you want us to help we will but it will be if your not skilled enough, your kite is getting stomped! though the canopy

but the guy that messed up didn't ask for help which is good didn't effect the flow of woody s that day and learn t a valuable lesson which is going to save his skin a few times in the future from similar situations.

mabey the golden rule should be if your not at a level where you can rescue a kite or board don't kite there.

just my thoughts... tobs

t o b y

530 posts

t o b y

WA, 530 posts

10 Oct 2007 10:53pm

BRING ON THE BEAT DOWNS!

sci

762 posts

sci

WA, 762 posts

11 Oct 2007 12:38am

Lex, T o b y! I was not insinuating that we should HELP everyone at all times - sure new guys to the scene should learn from there own mistakes but a little vigilance from the experienced guy might result in the them not having to rescue them half and hour later therefore endangering two lives!

I witnessed a guy getting ripped across Melville beach on his guts and almost across the road because people decided to let the foolishness go on! I understand your frustrations mate but its the same deal in any sport!

Charl dv

2485 posts

Charl dv

WA, 2485 posts

11 Oct 2007 12:39am

quote:
in lessons its drilled into students off shore is a big no no, no matter the conditions. if your instructor didn't drill it enough he should be shot. and if there to stupid to realize tuff ****.

thats a fair enough comment toby... but then what are you doing on the offshore side if its a big no no regardless?

SCI makes a good point, if you see a newb in teh water n hes struggling, atleast tel him to move to the safer side, and defnitly the sign is a good idea, along with the u need to be able to rescue a kite/ board before kiting there thing.

Charl dv

2485 posts

Charl dv

WA, 2485 posts

11 Oct 2007 12:41am

PS Toby. use better grammar in ur comments as some of the stuff is hard to understand because u miss stupid **** such as ful stops, commas and question marks. You also miss out words in some sentences which as a result make them not understandable? "if you want us to help we will but it will be if your not skilled enough, your kite is getting stomped! though the canopy"

"but the guy that messed up didn't ask for help which is good didn't effect the flow of woody s that day and learn t a valuable lesson which is going to save his skin a few times in the future from similar situations."

carbine

1446 posts

carbine

WA, 1446 posts

11 Oct 2007 1:05am

quote:
Originally posted by Charl dv

quote:
in lessons its drilled into students off shore is a big no no, no matter the conditions. if your instructor didn't drill it enough he should be shot. and if there to stupid to realize tuff ****.

thats a fair enough comment toby... but then what are you doing on the offshore side if its a big no no regardless?

SCI makes a good point, if you see a newb in teh water n hes struggling, atleast tel him to move to the safer side, and defnitly the sign is a good idea, along with the u need to be able to rescue a kite/ board before kiting there thing.

Toby isnt a beginner. We ride suicide that doesnt mean a beginner should.

toby did tell the guy to bail. Even if your 20m off the beach at woodies its too late if u cant body drag, your floating into the sound. This was the case with this noob.

Charl dv

2485 posts

Charl dv

WA, 2485 posts

11 Oct 2007 1:35am

im not saying wat u did was wrong or anything... im sayin toby says its driled that under no circumstances should you kite offshore breezes, regardless of his skill he is still giving advice that he himself is not following. nowhere in lessons do they say, NEVER kite offshore winds unless u can kite suicide or anything. its just a point that shouldnt be braught up as it puts other kiters in the wrong in the debate.

regardless of tobys posts etc. i still think its stupid to go kite woodmans if ur not gona unhook anyway.. flat water gets boring if you dont do wakey or powered tricks! i agree, woodmans should really only be for experienced kiters simply because of safety, maybe that should be a pre requisite for kiting at offshore woodies: only kite there if u can competently land powered tricks and stay upwind.

brooksy

498 posts

brooksy

WA, 498 posts

11 Oct 2007 7:31am

My personal opinion is that there is no need for signage.

Woodies "offshore" is onshore for northerly's.

It's all in the teaching. And WAKSA guidelines. Check the coniditions and then decide, is it safe for ME? If it's not don't go there, even if other kiters are out there. Who wants to become shark bait or loose all their gear?

If you don't feel confident, don't go out. It's not up to everyone else to question your ability, it's up to YOU!

If you do genuinely get in to trouble, most guys will still help you, but if you shouldn't have been out there in the first place, I think you have to learn the hard way.

And just because you've stacked it, it does not mean you have free reign to interfere with other vessels. Your lucky the boat could see you and didn't do even more damage!

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