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Sir V

QLD

490 posts

Sir V

QLD, 490 posts

24 May 2010 2:42pm

I reserve my judgement regarding the product.. I will review it and let you all know, only because I said so. Then I will have no futher involvement with the brand.

Regarding the rant from the supposed manufacturer, I can't believe anyone would behave in such a fashion on a public forum frequented by your target market. Maybe he had a bad day on the sauce, talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

About the attitude I will simply say - IT SUCKS... [}:)]

Ozzy humour eheheh got to learn it the hard way...

V

Bully

170 posts

Bully

WA, 170 posts

24 May 2010 2:28pm

I was actually about to buy this this product, for $20 or whatever it was i thought it was worth a punt. After hearing that shyt arrogant seppo rant i think i'll save my money, forget the product exists and associate the brand name with shyt performance as per the above posts from kgbs (an abbreviation for cagey bullsh!t?)

"sales 101" kgbs scores 1/10.....1 for attendance

djdojo

VIC

1614 posts

djdojo

VIC, 1614 posts

24 May 2010 5:14pm

Sir V said...

I reserve my judgement regarding the product.. I will review it and let you all know, only because I said so.
V

Yeah, if it can do what it claims I'll still be interested. I'm curious about the chemistry of fibre repair and yet to have a satisfactory response. That it may repel dust, sand and water I can believe. That it may block UV I can believe. That it can repair damaged fibres, that is, increase their strength, I'm not yet ready to swallow. Happy to have some detailed chemistry explained to me, so long as it describes what is proven to actually happen, rather than some waffle about what they fantasise may happen.

If some existing research is not available, perhaps someone could do a breaking-strain test on two similarly worn bits of line/fabric. Coat one with the stuff and the other without, let it set, and test away.

If a product works well I may buy it, even though the seller is a tosser. I'm buying the product to serve my interests, I'm not buying his attitude or revisionist history of WW2. Still, if a similar product was sold by someone I liked of course I'd buy it first.

blekk

11 posts

blekk

11 posts

24 May 2010 3:53pm

djdojo said...

Sir V said...

I reserve my judgement regarding the product.. I will review it and let you all know, only because I said so.
V

Until someone gets their hands on the product (and provided it lists on the bottle which I doubt), and we know what type of elasticmetric polymer are used in the spray it is difficult to say whether it will work or not. Certainly the idea behind it works but different polymers act in different ways depending on the polymerisation processes (where single chain monomers become cross linked polymers), the type of filler used in the polymerisation processes, the types of material it is being used on, application conditions, additives ect... It wouldn't be able to 'repair' the damaged fibres, it would cling between the fibres like a spider web to assist in increasing their strength.

GalahOnTheBay

NSW

4188 posts

GalahOnTheBay

NSW, 4188 posts

24 May 2010 9:22pm

It seems my work in this thread is done...

Dojo was on the same wavelength as me, whilst this stuff may do some of the things it claims, you would want to have PROOF it can do everything claims before making claims of elastomeric polymer capabilities (even that we are guessing as the vendor didn't bother to elaborate).

Aussie humour ftw.

I was going to post a link to a certain Rhonnie Johns / Chopper Reid clip a clip that contains a whole pile of swearing and a exactly one Stephan, but then I would then incur the wrath of the boss!

BrisKites

QLD

1293 posts

BrisKites

QLD, 1293 posts

25 May 2010 3:24pm

No great loss. There has been a kite protectant from a reputable manufacturer available in Aus for a few years now anyway.
Here it is- www.holmenkol.com/de-de/en_GB/produkte/aquatic/kite-surf/sealnglide-100.html

Sir V

QLD

490 posts

Sir V

QLD, 490 posts

25 May 2010 5:47pm

On matters of testing the product:... I would love some assistance.

Since it seems I will be testing the product as I had already purchased it before this slinging match started

I thought I would enlist suggestions from you guys on how to conduct a proper test. My kites are quite new as explained before and only my 2009 lines will need some TLC, so..

How do I go about aplying and testing the products so I get / give a more informed review on what it actually does. I heard the comments about 'fixing' the material and I am very doubtful it will do that. I'm more inclined in believing it will 'protect' and possibly prolong the life of the material of the kite & lines, etc. You don't 'fix' fraying..

I wasn't going to worry too much about it but now we're all dying to know what it actually does, how long for, how effective, etc.

Anyone has any ideas on how to test it properly I would love to know. At least for the immediate future.. my concerns are on what it may do in the long run. Sometimes applying a moisturizing product actually damages the material as it artificially provides moisture but then over-dries and cracks when the product disappears with use.

Care to comment / help?

Tks team

V

toddws

469 posts

toddws

WA, 469 posts

25 May 2010 3:55pm

How about a half and half test on a trainer kite to test claims of water/stain repelling?
I have one we could use for scientific research before trying it on someones "grown up" kite

suface2air

QLD

701 posts

suface2air

QLD, 701 posts

25 May 2010 6:02pm

I would be very very carefull V . I religously use too wash the car before going too town every friday night . Part of the cleaning richual was too armoral the dash vinal did this for years great product looked sweet and shiny then i meet a girl and didnt do it again that is the friday washing of the car and armoral the dash after 6 months dash went too sh..t cracked and crumbled up every where . Like i said the product is great but you cant stop using it after you have used it . This stuff could have same like properties like i said before BE VERY VERY CAREFULL . It could be great too i would nt like too be the guini pig , test dummy ect

Foxinsox

NSW

23 posts

Foxinsox

NSW, 23 posts

25 May 2010 11:02pm

wow, you've managed to sell it to me by acting like my grumpy 12 year old cousin haha I can't imagine what customer support would be like

Sir V

QLD

490 posts

Sir V

QLD, 490 posts

25 May 2010 11:44pm

I hear you suface2air... those are exactly my thoughts.. I might just try it on my old CB7M 2008. But it is till in awesome condition, no rips, no tears. I just don't use it much.

I think I'll have to give it some more thought. First I will photograph and copy here to the forum the bottles instructions and composition on the label.. I might get a better opinion from some of the more technical minded kiters..

We'll see... keep your eyes on this thread.

V

TurtleHunter

1675 posts

TurtleHunter

WA, 1675 posts

26 May 2010 11:58am

I don't know about this stuff.

I can't even read their website

BrisKites said...

No great loss. There has been a kite protectant from a reputable manufacturer available in Aus for a few years now anyway.
Here it is- www.holmenkol.com/de-de/en_GB/produkte/aquatic/kite-surf/sealnglide-100.html

TurtleHunter

1675 posts

TurtleHunter

WA, 1675 posts

26 May 2010 12:05pm

Sir V said...

I hear you suface2air... those are exactly my thoughts.. I might just try it on my old CB7M 2008. But it is till in awesome condition, no rips, no tears. I just don't use it much.

I think I'll have to give it some more thought. First I will photograph and copy here to the forum the bottles instructions and composition on the label.. I might get a better opinion from some of the more technical minded kiters..

We'll see... keep your eyes on this thread.

V

I reckon you need to do half your kite and half your lines. Maybe try a worn kite and a new one. How about leaving a new kite with half protected in the sun flapping in the breeze for a week. Should give some indication.

Sir V

QLD

490 posts

Sir V

QLD, 490 posts

26 May 2010 2:42pm

Turtlehunter: As much as I enjoyed your input, from a joke aspect, I thought we were all trying to get something positive out of this. Constructive input would be better...

If you have a brand new kite and an old one you'd like me to test please send them.. I'm happy to

. But I'm quite sure you understand I am reluctant to 'try' it out on my new kites huh?[}:)]

Here goes a shout out to kite resellers: If you want me to test this on a kite please PM me. I bought 2 complete kits and I am happy to try it on an old kite.. mine are a little new eheheh. I'll be happy to return it if it gets damaged

blekk

11 posts

blekk

11 posts

26 May 2010 1:59pm

Sir V said...

Turtlehunter: As much as I enjoyed your input, from a joke aspect, I thought we were all trying to get something positive out of this. Constructive input would be better...

If you have a brand new kite and an old one you'd like me to test please send them.. I'm happy to

Anyone with a damaged/ripped/destroyed kite? You could look at trying it on a sample bit of sail first.

Gorgo

VIC

5124 posts

Gorgo

VIC, 5124 posts

26 May 2010 6:31pm

Get some kite fabric. Cut it into strips. Treat half the strips with protectant and half without.

Do a bunch of tests on the fabric and compare how they look:
- hang them in a north facing window for a summer (UV)
- hang them off a flag pole or TV antenna (wind fluttering)
- chuck them in the washing machine for a few hours (water damage and mechanical stress).
- attach them to a line anchored in the shore break or on a reef for a few days (real world stress testing).
- drag them up and down the beach for however long you feel like it (abrasion)
- tape them onto the surface of your kite for a season (readl world exposure testing)
- etc etc etc

Kitepower Australia

NSW

4382 posts

Kitepower Australia

NSW, 4382 posts

26 May 2010 6:49pm

Gorgo said...

Get some kite fabric. Cut it into strips. Treat half the strips with protectant and half without.

Do a bunch of tests on the fabric and compare how they look:
- hang them in a north facing window for a summer (UV)
- hang them off a flag pole or TV antenna (wind fluttering)
- chuck them in the washing machine for a few hours (water damage and mechanical stress).
- attach them to a line anchored in the shore break or on a reef for a few days (real world stress testing).
- drag them up and down the beach for however long you feel like it (abrasion)
- tape them onto the surface of your kite for a season (readl world exposure testing)
- etc etc etc

Good idea, I've got some old kites that can be cut up into strips Sir V?

Sir V

QLD

490 posts

Sir V

QLD, 490 posts

28 May 2010 1:59pm

Perfect, this is more like it. Gorgo.. appreciate the input.

Steve, I still have some fabric left from the old kite you gave me for the trailer cover. I will see how much there is and test using some og Gorgo's suggestions. I will let you know if I need some more, tks for the offer.

V

Btw have a look at my post on "How to transport your gear" .. Your old kite contribution certainly helped to give the final toouches. Tks Steve

KiteNaked

2 posts

KiteNaked

2 posts

29 May 2010 3:30am

KGBswag said...

I really don't even want to dignify your skeptic ass bs with a response but since some of you won't quit being asses here goes! You sound very frustrated so i am guessing that probably haven't been laid in 20 yrs with that attitude ummm maybe you have wait you do live in AU where the girls outnumber the men. I guess that gives some of you outnumbering uber proud males the sense of superiority BS! We saved your asses in ww2 now you wanna bag? piss off mate!
Some of you skeptic down under kiters really need to quit hating in general and get a life quit bagging on sh%t you no nothing about, in the states we these kind of people jealous haters, losers GET A LIFE. Bring something new to the table and then you can bag! Negative begets negative and I digress!
For those select few open minded individuals that actually had the sense to order some product it's in the post, please follow the directions on the bottles try it! and chime back please so as to sedate those weak minded fools amongst you! And right on for on for supporting a new kiting product you other douch bags f off !! LOSESSSSSSERRRS!
These negative daggy sods aren't representative of the cool set I met in my travels to your country, as well as the others I have met here and abroad!
So again shut the f up and piss off or come bring something new out! It's not as easy as it is to bag!!
It's okay tho come to SF bay and we can have this out on the water skeptic enet pussies!

Hey Guys,

Kite Naked in da house....I am not sure what is up his ass, but I must apologize for his behavior.

On a more friendly note, come up to SF area, Sherman Island and we can show you some friendly love and wind and drink cool refreshments.

I sell alot of the Wainman kites though at this point have not given anything free in terms of kite protecting sprays with ANY of my gear. Nor have I tried the spray products on any of my kites or gear. I have some sitting in my warehouse in an unopened box.

Just want to make it clear of our position....

Take care and give us a shout if you ever make it to SF.

Chris

iandvnt

QLD

581 posts

iandvnt

QLD, 581 posts

29 May 2010 10:00am

please don't stop posting, I like this thread a lot.

dusta

2940 posts

dusta

WA, 2940 posts

29 May 2010 11:25am

KiteNaked said...

On a more friendly note, come up to SF area, Sherman Island and we can show you some friendly love and wind and drink cool refreshments.

I will visit america once i have visited antarctica ( antarctica is the other pole for you americans)

pearl

NSW

984 posts

pearl

NSW, 984 posts

30 May 2010 2:14pm

KGBswag said...

Wow I really stirred up the fire on this one, cool lemme answer some questions

Our product does not attract dirt or dust in fact it repels it. This is a molecular level cross-linked polymer coating th.............blah blah blah

I own a cabrinah.....Does it also repel trees???

Factory

266 posts

Factory

WA, 266 posts

30 May 2010 12:37pm

KiteNaked said...

Kite Naked in da house....I am not sure what is up his ass, but...

On a more friendly note, come up to SF area, Sherman Island and we can show you some friendly love

Just want to make it clear of our position....

yikes! looks and sounds like bromance...and in san fran!!

djdojo

VIC

1614 posts

djdojo

VIC, 1614 posts

30 May 2010 4:09pm

I smell a good cop/bad cop routine from the SF crew.

KGBswag

7 posts

KGBswag

7 posts

4 Jun 2010 3:24am

Sir V said...

I reserve my judgement regarding the product.. I will review it and let you all know, only because I said so. Then I will have no futher involvement with the brand.

Regarding the rant from the supposed manufacturer, I can't believe anyone would behave in such a fashion on a public forum frequented by your target market. Maybe he had a bad day on the sauce, talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

About the attitude I will simply say - IT SUCKS... [}:)]

Ozzy humour eheheh got to learn it the hard way...

V

I apologize to all that I offended. It wasn't cool.
Like you said I had a bad day, although not on the sauce. Not getting the humor in the posts didn't help either.

dusta

2940 posts

dusta

WA, 2940 posts

4 Jun 2010 11:22am

KGBswag said...

Ozzy humour eheheh got to learn it the hard way...

V

I apologize to all that I offended. It wasn't cool.
Like you said I had a bad day, although not on the sauce. Not getting the humor in the posts didn't help either.

that apology is about as sincere as helmut marko /christian horner/vettel making excuses for blaming Mark webber for the crash . Now F#$%#OFF

getfunky

4485 posts

getfunky

WA, 4485 posts

4 Jun 2010 4:19pm

Crikey! What more could the guy say to make amends??

Tuff crowd around here.. they eat poleboarders for lunch and pick their teeth with razor wire.

dusta

2940 posts

dusta

WA, 2940 posts

4 Jun 2010 4:41pm

getfunky said...

Crikey! What more could the guy say to make amends??

Tuff crowd around here.. they eat poleboarders for lunch and pick their teeth with razor wire.

actually i pick my teeth with penguins

getfunky

4485 posts

getfunky

WA, 4485 posts

4 Jun 2010 5:18pm

Only the cute little ones tho right?

dusta

2940 posts

dusta

WA, 2940 posts

4 Jun 2010 7:19pm

getfunky said...

Only the cute little ones tho right?

the cute little ones we normally bbq up by the jetty on dusk , the old ones have the super sharp beaks

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