theDoctor said...

theDoctor said...

king of the point said...

Chris6791 said...

Mark _australia said...
So a person going flat out, could not see a 1cm thick object in chop. Hardly surprising
Probably ****ed his $200 fin.
Even better, he was avoiding you, and in going around you he hit your board.

Your point is....?

Is going flat-out near someone body dragging in the kite area being a responsible sailor?

Here we go again .................HOW MUCH ROOM IS REQUIRED 25M STRINGS AND KITE TO AVIOD DRAGGING UP WIND TO AN BOARD UPSIDE DOWN SOME 5 TO 10M FROM YOU ........

NO WONDER IT GOT FKEN RUN OVER .........SORRY HOW MAY BOARDS DO KITERS LOOSE

IF YOU HIT THAT BOARD ON A WINDSURFER AT SPEED THE CONSEQUENSES FOR SERIOUS INJURY FROM BEING CATAPULTED ARE HIGH .....AND JUST FOR A REMINDER YOUR FIN BOX AND FIN WOULD BE FKED...90 % CHANCE OF A BROKEN BENT BOOM ....AND IF YOU LANDED ON YOUR SAIL THATS FK TO PLUS PERSONAL INJURIES FROM THE CATUPULT ,INCLUDES BEING KNOCKED OUT


I WOULD HAVE GRABBED YOUR BOARD AND SHOVED IT RIGHT UP YOUR ASS THEN STOLEN YOUR CAR TO RECOUP MY LOSS
opps THATS A BIT HARD
Walked you to an ATM Punk

Good gash and hit (but its not in half)....... but...... did you get the pleasure of hearing / seeing the impact ...............may be you can turn it into an assymetrical

Harden up ......IF you Slap some glass on last night you would have been using it today

i would love to deliberately hit and slap you fat ass

DOC YOUR SIC............

just before we go further,
Lewis are you a folder or a scruncher?

as a folder you may need to find some order in all this greyness, various options are available that may help you in this disorganised world

as a scruncher you should be able to just move on and forget it

back to it posters

edit: actually stuff it.

Thanks for all your comments guys.

To those of you who feel I am trying to lay blame you have misunderstood my intentions from this thread. This incident was clearly an accident, I can't imagine anyone intentionally smashing into a kiteboard. I am also not really concerned of the legalities of the issue - this is against the spirit of the sport - was more just after an indication of what's fair, and whether this could have been prevented.

The general gist of this thread indicates:
1. I am responsible for maintaining control over my gear
2. The windsurfer has an obligation to maintain control over his gear
3. The board would have been difficult to see, and the windsurfer would have had limited ability to manoeuvre, as he was trying to miss me.

When it's all said and done, it is my decision to operate on the water with expensive gear, and I accept the risk it may get destroyed.

As many of you said **** happens, and the fairest thing is to just suck up the damage ourselves. If anything the main points to take away are
1. As a kitesurfer you accept the risk of becoming separated from your board
2. If a kiter is in the water expect his board will be upwind somewhere. Options are to steer well downwind, proceed upwind with caution (slow down, eyes out), or best of all change direction and remain completely clear.

To those of you who indicated you'd just ride away or look for a biff on the water after something like this pull your heads in - accidents happen. You're probably the same people who slam your car door into me in the carpark and justify not leaving a note with your details coz the 'wind caught the door'.

RPM said...
Seabreeze is not the place if your looking for a shoulder to cry on..

Thanks for the constructive comment RPM (note my sarcasm). Just thought this was an interesting topic for discussion.

Poley was in the kiters area. Plain and simple. When you take a risk you must be willing to pay the price. Full price. New board. Done.

Just one of those unfortunate accidents. It will probably be happening less and less in future because sailboarders are gradually dying out.

I'll never cease being surprised by which threads attract massive attention and opinion and which threads quickly disappear to page 2 with barely a whimper.

Is it all in the first post, or does it require a certain type of response to attract more traffic and opinion?

Your 2c?

djdojo said...
I'll never cease being surprised by which threads attract massive attention and opinion and which threads quickly disappear to page 2 with barely a whimper.

Is it all in the first post, or does it require a certain type of response to attract more traffic and opinion?

Your 2c?

Make a thread asking the above^^^^^^^^^^ and see if it gets massive attention or disappears to page 2.
You may no longer cease being surprised.

All water users have a duty of care to other water users. In this case, the Windsurfer wasn't exercising sufficient care around a body dragging kiteboarder. Just look at the length of the cut! Modern wood core boards are pretty much indestructable - think how hard you would have to have hit that board with a hatchet or axe to re-create that kind of cut and then think how fast this dude must have been going.

Now I know that kitesurfing is the relative newbie on the block but that doesn't put us down the pecking order for more "established" water craft to run rough shod over us. Otherwise, I'd be out in a power boat mowing down every jet ski I saw... (kidding).

It's not rocket science to know that a kitesurfer body dragging is trying to get back to their board. Sometimes you can be separated by a decent distance from your board. The Windsurfer should have known this, and like policemen say about the law "Ignorance is not an excuse."

On the other hand, the colour of your board would have made it not so easy to spot. So, a lesson for all of us, is that given we tend to be separated from our equipment from time to time, we need to be aware how it appears (or doesn't) in the water to other users, and that should be a consideration when purchasing.

FWIW I don't think your board is totaled. It should be reasonably easy to fix with some fibreglass mat, epoxy and some diligent sanding. The board won't look the same but hey "chicks dig scars."

I reckon the guy owes you at least a slab for the hassle.

Boards have very thin skins and if its a honeycomb core, are easy to damage. This was done by a kiteline.

There would be a different judgement IMO from outside the kiting community based on - if you used a Gojoe, the board will come back to you easier, is easier for the kiter to find and its obvious to other water users where the board is.

The argument 'It makes you look like a kook.' isn't a great defence in court.

My view, for what it is worth, is that what really matters is not hurting people. Damaging equipment is a lot lower down the scale. The poley probably had his eye on the person with attached cocktail umbrella and did not notice the board. He did it right. Nobody was hurt.

I don't think it is reasonable to think anyone should know where a board is in relation to the dunked kiter. Regardless of what stupid zone someone is in.

Not hitting a person in the water is #1 priority, which is what the windsurfer achieved.

Dave

Like sand through the hourglass, so are the ......

stabber said...
stabb him then take his girlfriend....make him pay for his isulence....

I think you mean insulin.

lewisweb said...

Hey guys,

Was out kiting at Safety Bay today and came off my board after a jump. While I was bodydragging back to the board a windsurfer screamed through and smacked straight into the board, cutting a nice slice into it with his fin (see photos).

I'm pretty sure the board is totalled. I'll go in and see what Dave has to say about it in at Katana Boards in Osborne park tomorrow, but aren't expecting it to be salvageable.

I'm after some advice on what the done thing is here. After some discussion out on the water the windsurfer agreed to come into shore and swap contact details. The board is a 2012 North x-ride with limited use so I'm not too happy about the whole thing.

I'd love to hear what peoples thoughts are as to what's fair here, particularly from other windsurfers.

Hey lewis,

If the windsurfer noticed your board before the collision and didn't take action to avoid the collision then he is 100% liable to pay for the damage to your board in or out of court. But unfortunately you will never know this and therefore cannot prove it either way.

BTW I was kiteboarding last week and hit the same piece of wood twice on my brand new board (I didn't see it before but it was large). The wood was floating in the water like your board. Unlucky!!!