Kiteboard hit by windsurfer and destroyed

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hamburglar
hamburglar
ACT
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26 Nov 2012 1:26pm
interesting read

Kite incident destroys windsurf board on the beach

"wasn't the pole dancer in the kiters area"????
Triggerhappy
Triggerhappy
WA
174 posts
WA, 174 posts
26 Nov 2012 10:27am
I would argue that if you abandon equipment in the sea, whether deliberate or by accident you will be liable for any damages it may inflict on other persons whether deliberate or accidental. Leaving debris in the water will be deemed a hazard to other water users and the fact that you are sharing a limited space only in forces the point further. The same goes with hitting someone with your kite, getting your lines wrapped around other people or hitting people by landing on them. It is your responsibility to be safe and make it safe for others around you.

To argue that someone is going to fast will not lead anywhere, they can equally argue that jumping is dangerous. Any long fight will lead to unfavourable measures being imposed on the rest of us.

I am amazed at the damage to your board, however on the negative side now they all know :( so I hope it does not encourage them.
Zed
Zed
WA
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26 Nov 2012 11:16am
Triggerhappy said...
I would argue that if you abandon equipment in the sea, whether deliberate or by accident you will be liable for any damages it may inflict on other persons whether deliberate or accidental. Leaving debris in the water will be deemed a hazard to other water users and the fact that you are sharing a limited space only in forces the point further. The same goes with hitting someone with your kite, getting your lines wrapped around other people or hitting people by landing on them. It is your responsibility to be safe and make it safe for others around you.

To argue that someone is going to fast will not lead anywhere, they can equally argue that jumping is dangerous. Any long fight will lead to unfavourable measures being imposed on the rest of us.

I am amazed at the damage to your board, however on the negative side now they all know :( so I hope it does not encourage them.


I agree with that. If anyone is to blame it's the kiter for losing his board, irrespective of whether or not it was accidental.
Saffer
Saffer
VIC
4501 posts
VIC, 4501 posts
26 Nov 2012 2:23pm
Zed said...
Triggerhappy said...
I would argue that if you abandon equipment in the sea, whether deliberate or by accident you will be liable for any damages it may inflict on other persons whether deliberate or accidental. Leaving debris in the water will be deemed a hazard to other water users and the fact that you are sharing a limited space only in forces the point further. The same goes with hitting someone with your kite, getting your lines wrapped around other people or hitting people by landing on them. It is your responsibility to be safe and make it safe for others around you.

To argue that someone is going to fast will not lead anywhere, they can equally argue that jumping is dangerous. Any long fight will lead to unfavourable measures being imposed on the rest of us.

I am amazed at the damage to your board, however on the negative side now they all know :( so I hope it does not encourage them.


I agree with that. If anyone is to blame it's the kiter for losing his board, irrespective of whether or not it was accidental.


So:

1. Kitesurfer at fault for abandoning board (whether accidental or intentional)
2. Windsurfer at fault for riding at more than 5 knots within 50m of another vessel

This tells me that both parties at fault. Where both parties are at fault, they generally end up footing the damage for their own equipment which is the general consensus from 90% of the people here.
Paul1
Paul1
QLD
1011 posts
QLD, 1011 posts
26 Nov 2012 1:58pm
Pretty funny how all the windsurfers say that the board was 'abandoned' so it's fair game to plough over it, if they got separated a few metres from their kit and a kiter ran over their expensive sail, ripping it to shreds, they would all be on here crying like the bunch of fairies that they are.....
Roar
Roar
NSW
471 posts
NSW, 471 posts
26 Nov 2012 3:29pm
the whole - kite area vs windsurf area is an agreement between the 2 sporting bodys. Can this even be legally enforced?

When approacing a downed kiter pretty much the only option you have is to pass upwind of him cause you know for a fact that the kite and lines (which are hard to see) are going to be downwind.
There is only so much you can bear into the wind so your pretty much limited to where you can go. your priority is generally on the guy in the water so chances are you are not going to see a board floating in the water in that nice narrow corridor hes forced you into.


manicskier
manicskier
VIC
772 posts
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26 Nov 2012 3:36pm
Roar said...
pretty much the only option you have is to pass upwind of him ....
There is only so much you can bear into the wind so your pretty much limited to where you can go.



Could you maybe, turn around?
RPM
RPM
WA
1549 posts
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26 Nov 2012 12:38pm
Seabreeze is not the place if your looking for a shoulder to cry on..

At least you will be thinking twice when kiting around windsurfers in future.
Plummet
Plummet
4862 posts
4862 posts
26 Nov 2012 12:46pm
yes the board is fixable. but not without a stringer of glass on either side. it will need a repaint or look like complete crud.

who should pay for the repair? insurance!

but if we look at road rules. if a moving vehicle hits a stationary object..... its the moving vehicle thats at fault. not sure how that translates to the water. But imagine if it was a baby floating in the sea and the windsurfer killed the baby. who he be at fault?????
AquaPlow
AquaPlow
QLD
1066 posts
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26 Nov 2012 3:47pm
Sorry 4 your loss Lewis - stunned by the damage.
I would not think a windsurfer would deliberately ride over a board - 1 self-interest - cost to fix thier own kit, 2. they are (should be) inclined to be helpful towards kite surfers (that is my experience - but I am not in a busy metro' zone).

It looks like an unintended accident. The pros and cons of the rest of the views are fun but not worth making a judgment on.

With a bit more luck then U have had so far, U can get it fixed by a pro' (assuming it is possible), if it does not loose too much flex' U R unlikely 2 notice.

Would be interested in knowing the outcome - re-fix options.
cheers
AP
craigu
craigu
WA
24 posts
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26 Nov 2012 2:22pm
I reckon.....Colonel Mustard did it, in the library, with the candlestick!
Carantoc
Carantoc
WA
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26 Nov 2012 2:45pm
There is only one solution


Gentlemen - to the Thunderdome ....
Saffer
Saffer
VIC
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26 Nov 2012 5:58pm
Plummet said...
but if we look at road rules. if a moving vehicle hits a stationary object..... its the moving vehicle thats at fault. not sure how that translates to the water. But imagine if it was a baby floating in the sea and the windsurfer killed the baby. who he be at fault?????


If said baby was floating in a kiting zone without parents, parents would be at fault for leaving the baby there while parents are off taking drugs, drinking and sitting in their taxpayer funded government house.
king of the point
king of the point
WA
1836 posts
WA, 1836 posts
26 Nov 2012 3:08pm
Chris6791 said...
Mark _australia said...
So a person going flat out, could not see a 1cm thick object in chop. Hardly surprising
Probably ****ed his $200 fin.
Even better, he was avoiding you, and in going around you he hit your board.

Your point is....?




Is going flat-out near someone body dragging in the kite area being a responsible sailor?


Here we go again .................HOW MUCH ROOM IS REQUIRED 25M STRINGS AND KITE TO AVIOD DRAGGING UP WIND TO AN BOARD UPSIDE DOWN SOME 5 TO 10M FROM YOU ........

NO WONDER IT GOT FKEN RUN OVER .........SORRY HOW MAY BOARDS DO KITERS LOOSE

IF YOU HIT THAT BOARD ON A WINDSURFER AT SPEED THE CONSEQUENSES FOR SERIOUS INJURY FROM BEING CATAPULTED ARE HIGH .....AND JUST FOR A REMINDER YOUR FIN BOX AND FIN WOULD BE FKED...90 % CHANCE OF A BROKEN BENT BOOM ....AND IF YOU LANDED ON YOUR SAIL THATS FK TO PLUS PERSONAL INJURIES FROM THE CATUPULT ,INCLUDES BEING KNOCKED OUT


I WOULD HAVE GRABBED YOUR BOARD AND SHOVED IT RIGHT UP YOUR ASS THEN STOLEN YOUR CAR TO RECOUP MY LOSS
opps THATS A BIT HARD
Walked you to an ATM Punk

Good gash and hit (but its not in half)....... but...... did you get the pleasure of hearing / seeing the impact ...............may be you can turn it into an assymetrical

Harden up ......IF you Slap some glass on last night you would have been using it today
radman4
radman4
678 posts
678 posts
26 Nov 2012 3:18pm
Yep I'd say it's a case of suck it up and move on,s**t happens been riding before myself an had to jump over a board and the guy who lost it body dragging 200 meters away ,didn't have a clue where it was and hard to spot when your blasting over a wave,just one of those unfortunate things maybe the windsurfer was more intent on making sure he didn't collide with you.
RPM
RPM
WA
1549 posts
RPM RPM
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26 Nov 2012 3:21pm
king of the point said...
Chris6791 said...
Mark _australia said...
So a person going flat out, could not see a 1cm thick object in chop. Hardly surprising
Probably ****ed his $200 fin.
Even better, he was avoiding you, and in going around you he hit your board.

Your point is....?




Is going flat-out near someone body dragging in the kite area being a responsible sailor?


Here we go again .................HOW MUCH ROOM IS REQUIRED 25M STRINGS AND KITE TO AVIOD DRAGGING UP WIND TO AN BOARD UPSIDE DOWN SOME 5 TO 10M FROM YOU ........

NO WONDER IT GOT FKEN RUN OVER .........SORRY HOW MAY BOARDS DO KITERS LOOSE

IF YOU HIT THAT BOARD ON A WINDSURFER AT SPEED THE CONSEQUENSES FOR SERIOUS INJURY FROM BEING CATAPULTED ARE HIGH .....AND JUST FOR A REMINDER YOUR FIN BOX AND FIN WOULD BE FKED...90 % CHANCE OF A BROKEN BENT BOOM ....AND IF YOU LANDED ON YOUR SAIL THATS FK TO PLUS PERSONAL INJURIES FROM THE CATUPULT ,INCLUDES BEING KNOCKED OUT


I WOULD HAVE GRABBED YOUR BOARD AND SHOVED IT RIGHT UP YOUR ASS THEN STOLEN YOUR CAR TO RECOUP MY LOSS
opps THATS A BIT HARD
Walked you to an ATM Punk

Good gash and hit ....... but...... did you get the pleaseure of hearing / seeing the impact ...............may be you can turn it into an assymetrical




Post of the day right there!
davem207
davem207
VIC
138 posts
VIC, 138 posts
26 Nov 2012 7:09pm
Hmmm sounds like-------------**** HAPPENDS-----------------------to me.
SammyJ
SammyJ
WA
571 posts
WA, 571 posts
26 Nov 2012 4:10pm
joeleeds said...
Bring back the Pond Police!


You rang....

Lets face it, the rules there are simply to tick a box for the authorities. The signs are put in place by the city to fall back on if an incident happens. No one really polices it, many of the locals are over the disresectful travellors and can't be bothered going there anymore trying to explain the ROW when it's crazy busy.

The stipulated zones really only work in a true SW wind direction. Once there's more south in it is when issues arise most. Tacks are more parrallel to the shore, and the zones are no longer relavant.

Gumby kiters losing boards, downing kites ultimately end up drifting down wind into and amongst the windsurfers already limited space. This forces them out into the open water, to get there they will need to go through part of the waters the kiters are in. Safety Bay is renowned for bad glare off the water, an upturned kite board is near on impossible to see

This incident is a case of bad luck, your board looks repairable, performance will be compromised. What would have been the case if nothing happened to your board and it ripped his fin out and damaged the box. Repair would be much more than yours is, would you pay for it.

Agree you need to suck it up and don't jump and lose your board unless on the weed bank or in the cove of the sand bar.
lotofwind
lotofwind
NSW
6451 posts
NSW, 6451 posts
26 Nov 2012 8:21pm
Yep **it happends, but surely if the windsufer was onto it he would have seen you body dragging and would have thought "there will be a board floating here somewhere, I should turn around or slow down so I dont damage my own gear??"

Sounds like good old common sense was lost on this bloke.
If he has damage to his dancing platform he might have learnt from his mistake. You would hope anyway.
Paul1
Paul1
QLD
1011 posts
QLD, 1011 posts
26 Nov 2012 7:22pm
king of the point said...
Chris6791 said...
Mark _australia said...
So a person going flat out, could not see a 1cm thick object in chop. Hardly surprising
Probably ****ed his $200 fin.
Even better, he was avoiding you, and in going around you he hit your board.

Your point is....?




Is going flat-out near someone body dragging in the kite area being a responsible sailor?


Here we go again .................HOW MUCH ROOM IS REQUIRED 25M STRINGS AND KITE TO AVIOD DRAGGING UP WIND TO AN BOARD UPSIDE DOWN SOME 5 TO 10M FROM YOU ........

NO WONDER IT GOT FKEN RUN OVER .........SORRY HOW MAY BOARDS DO KITERS LOOSE

IF YOU HIT THAT BOARD ON A WINDSURFER AT SPEED THE CONSEQUENSES FOR SERIOUS INJURY FROM BEING CATAPULTED ARE HIGH .....AND JUST FOR A REMINDER YOUR FIN BOX AND FIN WOULD BE FKED...90 % CHANCE OF A BROKEN BENT BOOM ....AND IF YOU LANDED ON YOUR SAIL THATS FK TO PLUS PERSONAL INJURIES FROM THE CATUPULT ,INCLUDES BEING KNOCKED OUT


I WOULD HAVE GRABBED YOUR BOARD AND SHOVED IT RIGHT UP YOUR ASS THEN STOLEN YOUR CAR TO RECOUP MY LOSS
opps THATS A BIT HARD
Walked you to an ATM Punk

Good gash and hit (but its not in half)....... but...... did you get the pleasure of hearing / seeing the impact ...............may be you can turn it into an assymetrical

Harden up ......IF you Slap some glass on last night you would have been using it today


You sound like a total wanker mate....hang on a minute, bogan tatts and you windsurf, theres all the proof anyone would ever need....
king of the point
king of the point
WA
1836 posts
WA, 1836 posts
26 Nov 2012 5:51pm
Paul1 said...
king of the point said...
Chris6791 said...
Mark _australia said...
So a person going flat out, could not see a 1cm thick object in chop. Hardly surprising
Probably ****ed his $200 fin.
Even better, he was avoiding you, and in going around you he hit your board.

Your point is....?




Is going flat-out near someone body dragging in the kite area being a responsible sailor?


Here we go again .................HOW MUCH ROOM IS REQUIRED 25M STRINGS AND KITE TO AVIOD DRAGGING UP WIND TO AN BOARD UPSIDE DOWN SOME 5 TO 10M FROM YOU ........

NO WONDER IT GOT FKEN RUN OVER .........SORRY HOW MAY BOARDS DO KITERS LOOSE

IF YOU HIT THAT BOARD ON A WINDSURFER AT SPEED THE CONSEQUENSES FOR SERIOUS INJURY FROM BEING CATAPULTED ARE HIGH .....AND JUST FOR A REMINDER YOUR FIN BOX AND FIN WOULD BE FKED...90 % CHANCE OF A BROKEN BENT BOOM ....AND IF YOU LANDED ON YOUR SAIL THATS FK TO PLUS PERSONAL INJURIES FROM THE CATUPULT ,INCLUDES BEING KNOCKED OUT


I WOULD HAVE GRABBED YOUR BOARD AND SHOVED IT RIGHT UP YOUR ASS THEN STOLEN YOUR CAR TO RECOUP MY LOSS
opps THATS A BIT HARD
Walked you to an ATM Punk

Good gash and hit (but its not in half)....... but...... did you get the pleasure of hearing / seeing the impact ...............may be you can turn it into an assymetrical

Harden up ......IF you Slap some glass on last night you would have been using it today


You sound like a total wanker mate....hang on a minute, bogan tatts and you windsurf, theres all the proof anyone would ever need....


Well well PULLER1 you sound like the type of kiter where refering to
The only difference iS this poor fellas had his board run over by accident
IN YOUR CASE YOU WOULD HAVE YOUR BOARD RUN OVER FIRST BEFORE YOU GOT DELIBERATLY RUN OVER opps

Rather hit a board than a SUGAR CANE PINEAPPLE head.... to much mess
lotofwind
lotofwind
NSW
6451 posts
NSW, 6451 posts
26 Nov 2012 8:54pm
KOTP is back on the grog lol
Paul1
Paul1
QLD
1011 posts
QLD, 1011 posts
26 Nov 2012 8:12pm
king of the point said...
Paul1 said...
king of the point said...
Chris6791 said...
Mark _australia said...
So a person going flat out, could not see a 1cm thick object in chop. Hardly surprising
Probably ****ed his $200 fin.
Even better, he was avoiding you, and in going around you he hit your board.

Your point is....?




Is going flat-out near someone body dragging in the kite area being a responsible sailor?


Here we go again .................HOW MUCH ROOM IS REQUIRED 25M STRINGS AND KITE TO AVIOD DRAGGING UP WIND TO AN BOARD UPSIDE DOWN SOME 5 TO 10M FROM YOU ........

NO WONDER IT GOT FKEN RUN OVER .........SORRY HOW MAY BOARDS DO KITERS LOOSE

IF YOU HIT THAT BOARD ON A WINDSURFER AT SPEED THE CONSEQUENSES FOR SERIOUS INJURY FROM BEING CATAPULTED ARE HIGH .....AND JUST FOR A REMINDER YOUR FIN BOX AND FIN WOULD BE FKED...90 % CHANCE OF A BROKEN BENT BOOM ....AND IF YOU LANDED ON YOUR SAIL THATS FK TO PLUS PERSONAL INJURIES FROM THE CATUPULT ,INCLUDES BEING KNOCKED OUT


I WOULD HAVE GRABBED YOUR BOARD AND SHOVED IT RIGHT UP YOUR ASS THEN STOLEN YOUR CAR TO RECOUP MY LOSS
opps THATS A BIT HARD
Walked you to an ATM Punk

Good gash and hit (but its not in half)....... but...... did you get the pleasure of hearing / seeing the impact ...............may be you can turn it into an assymetrical

Harden up ......IF you Slap some glass on last night you would have been using it today


You sound like a total wanker mate....hang on a minute, bogan tatts and you windsurf, theres all the proof anyone would ever need....


Well well PULLER1 you sound like the type of kiter where refering to
The only difference iS this poor fellas had his board run over by accident
IN YOUR CASE YOU WOULD HAVE YOUR BOARD RUN OVER FIRST BEFORE YOU GOT DELIBERATLY RUN OVER opps

Rather hit a board than a SUGAR CANE PINEAPPLE head.... to much mess



Thanks for proving my point, the missing link is still alive and living in WA, who would have thought.......?????
Nerk
Nerk
NSW
108 posts
NSW, 108 posts
26 Nov 2012 9:13pm
Are you taking a poll? I vote you each pay for your own repairs - it's just easier! If you're out on the water enough, something will get broken one way or another.
JonnyFreer
JonnyFreer
QLD
71 posts
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26 Nov 2012 8:21pm
bin
Akwa
Akwa
WA
255 posts
WA, 255 posts
26 Nov 2012 6:23pm
Lewis.. Did the windsurfers board get damaged?

Also, i assume your board was floating up side down?
Lambie
Lambie
QLD
742 posts
QLD, 742 posts
26 Nov 2012 8:40pm
Oh is this discussion still going on ??

As a former windsurfer of 25 years and now a kiteboarder of 3 years I just cant see where this is going unless we want to take on the US system of litigation. Was it a malicious act - nope!

I would never aim my sailboard at any solid thing for fear of damage and injury ( ie kiteboard in the water) and likewiase I would never consciously do the same now that I am kiteboarding ( sometime on a TT but mostly on a surfboard with decent fins - injury and damage are the same drivers!).

As an ex pole dancer, kite lines scare the **** out of me - get caught in them without a safety knife and things arent so good ( thats why I carry a knife always)

So as many have said sh*$ sometimes happens and strangely SO DO ACCIDENTS WHERE NO ONE IS TO BLAME - but if you think it was a bit malicious :( move to the US please !!!

When accidents happen a gentlemens agreement is the usual AUSTRALIAN way

just my 2cw
Mr float
Mr float
NSW
3452 posts
NSW, 3452 posts
26 Nov 2012 11:31pm
I just read the headline and looked at the board in question .I think destroyed is an overstatement .one of my boards broke in half and was repaired by a mate who kindly offered to fix it.I have had two more years of enjoyment on it.
theDoctor
theDoctor
NSW
5786 posts
NSW, 5786 posts
26 Nov 2012 11:41pm
theDoctor said...
king of the point said...
Chris6791 said...
Mark _australia said...
So a person going flat out, could not see a 1cm thick object in chop. Hardly surprising
Probably ****ed his $200 fin.
Even better, he was avoiding you, and in going around you he hit your board.

Your point is....?




Is going flat-out near someone body dragging in the kite area being a responsible sailor?


Here we go again .................HOW MUCH ROOM IS REQUIRED 25M STRINGS AND KITE TO AVIOD DRAGGING UP WIND TO AN BOARD UPSIDE DOWN SOME 5 TO 10M FROM YOU ........

NO WONDER IT GOT FKEN RUN OVER .........SORRY HOW MAY BOARDS DO KITERS LOOSE

IF YOU HIT THAT BOARD ON A WINDSURFER AT SPEED THE CONSEQUENSES FOR SERIOUS INJURY FROM BEING CATAPULTED ARE HIGH .....AND JUST FOR A REMINDER YOUR FIN BOX AND FIN WOULD BE FKED...90 % CHANCE OF A BROKEN BENT BOOM ....AND IF YOU LANDED ON YOUR SAIL THATS FK TO PLUS PERSONAL INJURIES FROM THE CATUPULT ,INCLUDES BEING KNOCKED OUT


I WOULD HAVE GRABBED YOUR BOARD AND SHOVED IT RIGHT UP YOUR ASS THEN STOLEN YOUR CAR TO RECOUP MY LOSS
opps THATS A BIT HARD
Walked you to an ATM Punk

Good gash and hit (but its not in half)....... but...... did you get the pleasure of hearing / seeing the impact ...............may be you can turn it into an assymetrical

Harden up ......IF you Slap some glass on last night you would have been using it today




i would love to deliberately hit and slap you fat ass


jsnfok
jsnfok
WA
899 posts
WA, 899 posts
26 Nov 2012 9:03pm
AND THATS WHY I RIDE BOOTS



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