Good for you Zed so you're going to have a word to your mates???

I dont like the sound of your language & what it implies

Hi Mark
My Question to you is why do you not go up to the offending kiters and suggest or recommend they move to the other area? Why do you expect other kiters who are obviously over a hundred meters away to speak to them?
I'm sure if you politely pointed out the signs or even informed them of the informal agreement they would happily move.
It is my experience that most people want to the right thing but react badly if yelled at or abuse in the water. Speak to them the way you like to be spoken to and they will do the right thing.

Ian and Airhead I have spoken to them, but can't speak to all of them !
and obviously it hasn't worked. They are immediately defensive or are put out that a polie is telling them where they should kite, regardless of how nice i am about it.
And of course they are, that is human nature.

Same as on here, the immediate reaction of many kiters is "oh another polie having a go at us" so before they hear you out they tell you to f off. BUT considering how I worded my post at the start I can't understand the hostility in this thread.

So f^&k it.
Seeing as though the area is WAKSA only, and I have been largely criticised in this thread I will forget the politeness and trying to prevent problems, and will approach them on the beach and say "WAKSA only, f off"

Seems that is what many people here want - cos talking about it here to prevent issues on the beach is not the go in kiteland apparently.

and postcript 2: I know all of the oldies you talk about as I am one of them too.
Happy to share a wave with any of them.
So if the informal agreement and map area posted above is not being adhered to, what shall we do ? That was my original question even though some others here wanted to turn it into kiters v polies. Let's get back to Dutchies.

apart from the waves which aren't at leighton, what is the big appeal of dutchies over say leighton ?

Still trying to figure it out

IanR said...

Mark if they are immediately defensive it may be because you are aggressive in your approach to them. I personal cannot tell the difference between a kiter and a sailboard on the beach, we are all water users. Maybe leave your I hate Kiters T shirt in your car when you go to have a chat with them

I think swearing at the kiters is only going to make things worse for you.

My only solution for you is if you can't beat them join them. By learning to kite you may get a better understanding of how to avoid them, spot learners and get over your irrational fear of kiters. Also you will be able to talk to them as a kiter

Well b&gger me, I must have missed the part where I said I walked up to people and swore at them.
Yeah Ian, I posted this thread as I had no luck with abuse and throwing tantrums on the beach. Gee I must be a c0ckhead who has no idea how to talk to people.
I wonder why I even bother with polite resolution threads here, when some people's automatic assumption is that I must have the wrong approach!

It is quite to opposite (as I said somewhere above) - a polite approach by a polie is met with hostility by most kiters so I figure it is better if their own crew menton it to them, and thus I started this thread.

I'm over it now as discussion seems to not be the kiter way.

Now I can see how some of your own are completely frustrated in their attempts to self regulate and prevent problems and being banned from areas.
Good luck fellas.

Mark _australia said...



So f^&k it.
Seeing as though the area is WAKSA only, and I have been largely criticised in this thread I will forget the politeness and trying to prevent problems, and will approach them on the beach and say "WAKSA only, f off"
.

Mark _australia said...

IanR said...

Mark if they are immediately defensive it may be because you are aggressive in your approach to them. I personal cannot tell the difference between a kiter and a sailboard on the beach, we are all water users. Maybe leave your I hate Kiters T shirt in your car when you go to have a chat with them

I think swearing at the kiters is only going to make things worse for you.

Well b&gger me, I must have missed the part where I said I walked up to people and swore at them.
Yeah Ian, I posted this thread as I had no luck with abuse and throwing tantrums on the beach. Gee I must be a c0ckhead who has no idea how to talk to people.
I wonder why I even bother with polite resolution threads here, when some people's automatic assumption is that I must have the wrong approach!

It is quite to opposite (as I said somewhere above) - a polite approach by a polie is met with hostility by most kiters so I figure it is better if their own crew menton it to them, and thus I started this thread.

I'm over it now as discussion seems to not be the kiter way.

Now I can see how some of your own are completely frustrated in their attempts to self regulate and prevent problems and being banned from areas.
Good luck fellas.

Ah the dummy spit.
Maybe if there wasnt so many posts calling kiters wankers,gays,c@ckheads etc by you and a couple of the usual few suspect windsurfers(kite haters) in your forum, people wouldnt get defensive towards you.All of the windsurfers I have met have been good blokes and keen to get along.
I dont think anyone in this thread has told you to f@@ off or what ever you seem to think.
Or anyone has made it dancer Vs kiter?????
Some have disagreed on seperation and think learning to co-exist is the better option than drawing lines in the sand,wasting council time/tax payers money.
Just because some dont agree on your ideas,It is what a forum is all about, dosent mean you need to say "well f@ck it then,,,Im just gunna tell them all to get f@cked".
I think if you have a problem with someone in the water,you will get better results sorting it out with them instead of posting on a forum that they probly dont even read.This works at other spots,,and in other sports that use the same areas,
Life is good Chill and chat to people face to face,most will listen if your rational.
Lifes way too short to waste it stressing and whinging on a computer.
Now get out there and get some wind.


I dont expect you to agree with me,
Just like you shouldnt expect all to agree with you.Thats life
This kiter Vs dancer seems to happen on the windsurfing forum more than in real life.

Sharp rocks.

And 1 stressed out old poledancer

Mark said:

(foreword: no I am not kiter bashing.)


I've noticed this year (so far this season anyway) there has been a few kiters down near the groyne at Dutchies.

The last couple of seasons there has been this voluntary segregation whereby kiters stay about 200m plus north of the groyne and never venture down south near the groyne / area in front of the playground.
Obviously the odd downwinder comes thru but that is no biggie.

In my last 3 sessions I have seen guys actually launching at the bottom of the stairs from the playground (as in, 30m from the groyne) and staying there all afternoon.

The area the kiters were in (and where most still stay) at the north end was suitable as the reef is a bit shallow for polies in some bits so life was just grand.

So-

was there ever a formal agreement about segregation?
will the kiters have a word to the ones who persist in kiting in the middle of the polies, when 20 other kiters are obviously in a different area?
Do we need a proper agreement like Safety Bay?

Ideas?

Not everyone (and possibly not the majority) but there are far too many insular d!ckheads who kite who just simply cannot or will not look past their own interests and water/beach usage.

Aside from a Poley dropping his mast on my noggin in the mid-80s I have never had any issue with poleys on the water or the beach.Wish i could say the same for fellow kiters..Every session I witness kiters doing selfish dumb irresposible sh!t and have been put in fkn dodgy situations by mostly selfish, ill-educated, arrogant kiters. Simple as that!

And some of you defensive insular shiners still think it's a poley - who posted a reasonable calm post - attempting to find clarity (and was proven correct) on the protocol of a multi use area, stirring sh!t.

FFS - read the initial post above and tell me where the abuse or unreasonable content is?? It's a fair question, he is spot on BTW, and yet insular immature cawk smokers carry on like their bat n ball are being taken away and it's bath time!!

Wake up to yourselves.

Gawd it's embarrassing being associated via the same sport as some of the nongs out there.

Stoopid is as stoopid does.

We love you too get funky

Its just hard to take markie seriously when most his posts in that other forum are bagging kiters, calling them all wankers etc. He burns his own bridges

GetFunky for President of AKSA, WAKSA and any other ....KSA out there

a couple of friends wanted to come down and kite dutchies on a good day

Mark _australia said...

GetFunky for President of AKSA, WAKSA and any other ....KSA out there

lol.
You two were made for each other. ^^^

He's the only poley on Seabreeze who knows the difference between a WAKSA and an AKSA.
Mark, the well-informed hater ...
he likes to keep his enemy close.

And Get Funky: the poler opposite.
He knows zilch about poleboarding ...
wouldn't know a uni-joint from a boom clamp.
He's never witnessed the worry-wart poley in its natural environment ...
Those string-paranoids, those over-anxious klutzes who will do almost anything to be upwind of those scary kite-lines.

Those freaks are out there, they are a menace and they are fully certifiable.
lol.