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log man
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27 Jan 2012 10:45pm
SandS said...

these drongo protesters did themselves no favours when they burnt the flag!!!


Can't burn the flag on shtraya day it's unshtrayan
cisco
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27 Jan 2012 10:32pm
highnoon said...

seriously RPM,this country was in pristine condition when we got here,

could you still say that ?



Come on. Get real. They used to set fire to it just to flush out game.

When Europeans first arrived in Australia they encountered a race of people who were in decline and living in misery. They had not even the concept of the wheel or that sex caused reproduction.

Settlement or occupation (whichever term suits your mind set) by Europeans has uplifted the aboriginals from their state of misery to participation in the human race.

Aboriginal is a misnomer too. They were not the original people of this land. Forty thousand years is a myth promoted by British anthropologists. Ten thousand years at best, that from carbon dating of dingo bones.

Have a look at the rock art in the Kimberlys known as the "Bradshaw Paintings". There are three distinct and seperate groups of people who painted them and none of it is remotely similar to so called "Aboriginal Art".

Stop with the guilt trip palava and get with the facts.

Cassa
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27 Jan 2012 8:40pm
cisco said...

highnoon said...

seriously RPM,this country was in pristine condition when we got here,

could you still say that ?



Come on. Get real. They used to set fire to it just to flush out game.

When Europeans first arrived in Australia they encountered a race of people who were in decline and living in misery. They had not even the concept of the wheel or that sex caused reproduction.

Settlement or occupation (whichever term suits your mind set) by Europeans has uplifted the aboriginals from their state of misery to participation in the human race.

Aboriginal is a misnomer too. They were not the original people of this land. Forty thousand years is a myth promoted by British anthropologists. Ten thousand years at best, that from carbon dating of dingo bones.

Have a look at the rock art in the Kimberlys known as the "Bradshaw Paintings". There are three distinct and seperate groups of people who painted them and none of it is remotely similar to so called "Aboriginal Art".

Stop with the guilt trip palava and get with the facts.




I'm pickin up what your putting down
have to agree
can't say too much or that card will get thrown at me
aaahhh what the ---- throw it [}:)]
ginger pom
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28 Jan 2012 12:24am
cisco said...


Aboriginal is a misnomer too. They were not the original people of this land. Forty thousand years is a myth promoted by British anthropologists. Ten thousand years at best, that from carbon dating of dingo bones.



At least Peter Mac backs up his bull**** with YouTube clips....
surferstu
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BulldogPup
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^^^^^ haaaaaaa hahahaha - like that last pic , geez
Cassa
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27 Jan 2012 10:06pm
Hey Loggy, bet you and Julia woul make wonderful things together,
thats what they would be (things , isn't it??)




Remember she is on charge

More cards PLEASE
cisco
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28 Jan 2012 12:20am
ginger pom said...

cisco said...


Aboriginal is a misnomer too. They were not the original people of this land. Forty thousand years is a myth promoted by British anthropologists. Ten thousand years at best, that from carbon dating of dingo bones.



At least Peter Mac backs up his bull**** with YouTube clips....


It is published information. Look it up.

ginger pom
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28 Jan 2012 1:50am
cisco said...

ginger pom said...

cisco said...


Aboriginal is a misnomer too. They were not the original people of this land. Forty thousand years is a myth promoted by British anthropologists. Ten thousand years at best, that from carbon dating of dingo bones.



At least Peter Mac backs up his bull**** with YouTube clips....


It is published information. Look it up.




Oh, you mean on the internet.

No. You referenced it. You called it a myth. You implied that it was important. I'm only asking for something other than 'cos of the dingo bones and conspiracy'...

You really think that you're intellectually justified in disputing an entire peoples history with a completely throwaway non-reference. You may be right. I don't know, but I'll get a better idea if you quote some sort of source...

If you expect us to believe it cos you said so then are you dumb enough to believe whatever I say....?


FlySurfer
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28 Jan 2012 2:06am
cisco said...

highnoon said...

seriously RPM,this country was in pristine condition when we got here,

could you still say that ?



Come on. Get real. They used to set fire to it just to flush out game.

When Europeans first arrived in Australia they encountered a race of people who were in decline and living in misery. They had not even the concept of the wheel or that sex caused reproduction.

Settlement or occupation (whichever term suits your mind set) by Europeans has uplifted the aboriginals from their state of misery to participation in the human race.

Aboriginal is a misnomer too. They were not the original people of this land. Forty thousand years is a myth promoted by British anthropologists. Ten thousand years at best, that from carbon dating of dingo bones.

Have a look at the rock art in the Kimberlys known as the "Bradshaw Paintings". There are three distinct and seperate groups of people who painted them and none of it is remotely similar to so called "Aboriginal Art".

Stop with the guilt trip palava and get with the facts.




Wrong.

Abo's were doing just fine, and the early settlers relied on them... just like the Yanks on the Indians... then they farked them over... just like...
surferstu
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27 Jan 2012 11:14pm
FlySurfer said...

cisco said...

highnoon said...

seriously RPM,this country was in pristine condition when we got here,

could you still say that ?



Come on. Get real. They used to set fire to it just to flush out game.

When Europeans first arrived in Australia they encountered a race of people who were in decline and living in misery. They had not even the concept of the wheel or that sex caused reproduction.

Settlement or occupation (whichever term suits your mind set) by Europeans has uplifted the aboriginals from their state of misery to participation in the human race.

Aboriginal is a misnomer too. They were not the original people of this land. Forty thousand years is a myth promoted by British anthropologists. Ten thousand years at best, that from carbon dating of dingo bones.

Have a look at the rock art in the Kimberlys known as the "Bradshaw Paintings". There are three distinct and seperate groups of people who painted them and none of it is remotely similar to so called "Aboriginal Art".

Stop with the guilt trip palava and get with the facts.




Wrong.

Abo's were doing just fine, and the early settlers relied on them... just like the Yanks on the Indians... then they farked them over... just like...





cisco
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28 Jan 2012 1:33am
ginger pom said...
Oh, you mean on the internet.


Yeah. Start here. Don't try to tell me it is aboriginal art. If it is why do they want to hide it?


www.bradshawfoundation.com/bradshaws/
cisco
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28 Jan 2012 2:27am
FlySurfer said...
Wrong.

Abo's were doing just fine, and the early settlers relied on them... just like the Yanks on the Indians... then they farked them over... just like...



Wrong.

The so called aboriginals were going nowhere. Read up on Dampier, Cook and Flinders' observations.

Australia is a big island and it is well proven there was never a "land bridge" to Asia (Sunda Straits) so it therefore required a sophisticated "maritime culture" for any peoples to arrive and populate this land.

It therefore follows that the people encountered by the first Europeans to arrive here were the the declining remnants of a former sophisticated "maritime culture". The best they had were dug out or bark canoes.

Being such a big island with such diverse climatic and physical conditions it is obvious that some groups would fare better than others but overall they were culturaly nomadic and technologicaly stone age.

I do not disrespect any man or woman unless they deserve it. The fact is the only thing that counts is the fact of life today and that is that no one can dodge life today except by death.

For those who want to live in the past, harbour hatreds from the past and live their lives trying to turn back the clock, the best I can offer is pity.
pierrec45
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28 Jan 2012 10:55am
cisco said...

FlySurfer said...
Wrong.

Abo's were doing just fine, and the early settlers relied on them... just like the Yanks on the Indians... then they farked them over... just like...



Wrong.

The so called aboriginals were going nowhere. Read up on Dampier, Cook and Flinders' observations.

Australia is a big island and it is well proven there was never a "land bridge" to Asia (Sunda Straits) so it therefore required a sophisticated "maritime culture" for any peoples to arrive and populate this land.

It therefore follows that the people encountered by the first Europeans to arrive here were the the declining remnants of a former sophisticated "maritime culture". The best they had were dug out or bark canoes.

Being such a big island with such diverse climatic and physical conditions it is obvious that some groups would fare better than others but overall they were culturaly nomadic and technologicaly stone age.

I do not disrespect any man or woman unless they deserve it. The fact is the only thing that counts is the fact of life today and that is that no one can dodge life today except by death.

For those who want to live in the past, harbour hatreds from the past and live their lives trying to turn back the clock, the best I can offer is pity.

This is all sooooo lame. Dampier and Cook and all of the "observers" before Darwin (and many after) had no training, no anthropological background, no empathy, and were completely white-centric. That is, they'd conclude, much like you it seems but without the hindsight of modern anthropology in their case, that they couldn't possibly be happy because no fire, no wheel, etc. Mind you, these views had a self-serving purpose: they're poor people, so we may as well take the land and shoot them as we please. Surprised you'd fall for this 300 years later. Heck, the poor wretched convicts were anglos and they didn't sound too happy themselves, despite knowing of the wheel.

Big island and land bridge - wow 17th century science. It's been discovered since that many of the Polynesian islands had much active traffic between them in spite of large distances. And yet no land bridge between thems remote islands, you know.

Race in decline: any facts behind this? We know the English just about wiped them out, including through diseases as well as outright hunting. But before that: facts please? Anyways what would have brought decline after so many 1000s years including weather fluctuations?

10k years ???? There are too many sites dated between 20 and 40k - dated through various cross-means. None of them is really debated other than give-take the usual 10-25%. Really, look up your weird facts mate. I think TAFE still has basic history and anthropo 101 courses for the layperson. Please go and debate there.

cisco said...
I do not disrespect any man or woman unless they deserve it.

Sounds like you're saying you're a person to decide who's deserving and who insn't?
Explains the rest, really.
theDoctor
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28 Jan 2012 11:06am
cisco said...



Come on. Get real. They used to set fire to it just to flush out game.

When Europeans first arrived in Australia they encountered a race of people who were in decline and living in misery. They had not even the concept of the wheel or that sex caused reproduction.

Settlement or occupation (whichever term suits your mind set) by Europeans has uplifted the aboriginals from their state of misery to participation in the human race.

Aboriginal is a misnomer too. They were not the original people of this land. Forty thousand years is a myth promoted by British anthropologists. Ten thousand years at best, that from carbon dating of dingo bones.

Have a look at the rock art in the Kimberlys known as the "Bradshaw Paintings". There are three distinct and seperate groups of people who painted them and none of it is remotely similar to so called "Aboriginal Art".

Stop with the guilt trip palava and get with the facts.




Your ignorance is only out weighed by your gullibility


FormulaNova
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28 Jan 2012 8:06am
cisco said...

FlySurfer said...
Wrong.

Abo's were doing just fine, and the early settlers relied on them... just like the Yanks on the Indians... then they farked them over... just like...



Wrong.

The so called aboriginals were going nowhere. Read up on Dampier, Cook and Flinders' observations.

Australia is a big island and it is well proven there was never a "land bridge" to Asia (Sunda Straits) so it therefore required a sophisticated "maritime culture" for any peoples to arrive and populate this land.

It therefore follows that the people encountered by the first Europeans to arrive here were the the declining remnants of a former sophisticated "maritime culture". The best they had were dug out or bark canoes.

Being such a big island with such diverse climatic and physical conditions it is obvious that some groups would fare better than others but overall they were culturaly nomadic and technologicaly stone age.

I do not disrespect any man or woman unless they deserve it. The fact is the only thing that counts is the fact of life today and that is that no one can dodge life today except by death.

For those who want to live in the past, harbour hatreds from the past and live their lives trying to turn back the clock, the best I can offer is pity.


Still haven't read Guns Germs and Steel have you Cisco? If you have, you really haven't taken any of the information on board.

I guess you might come from a people that aren't capable of learning and not able to work things out. A prehistoric culture by the sounds of it. I guess it is your genetics that prevent you from learning.

Sophisticated maritime culture? Really? What is the largest gap between Australia and the islands between it and New Guinea? You can't travel that far in canoes with outriggers?

I personally know nothing about drilling for oil, but somehow I think there are other people in our society that do. That doesn't mean our society knows nothing about oil drilling.

Cook's observations? A white man from England that arrives in a foreign land makes short term observations, and they are supposed to be accurate? Come on!

"They had not even the concept of the wheel or that sex caused reproduction." - How would you come up with these bone headed observations?




SomeOtherGuy
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28 Jan 2012 11:19am
FormulaNova said...
"They had not even the concept of the wheel or that sex caused reproduction." - How would you come up with these bone headed observations?


The same way he comes up with all his other bone headed observations - he reads them on the internet; they coincide with his preconceived prejudices; therefore they must be true.
log man
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28 Jan 2012 11:54am
SomeOtherGuy said...

FormulaNova said...
"They had not even the concept of the wheel or that sex caused reproduction." - How would you come up with these bone headed observations?


The same way he comes up with all his other bone headed observations - he reads them on the internet; they coincide with his preconceived prejudices; therefore they must be true.


The thing that always just blows me away in these conversations is the complete misunderstanding of the effect of history on a culture. You can't invade a country,steal the land,subjugate the people,destroy the culture,disrespect the traditions.....etc..etc...and then expect the same people to turn up at work in a three piece suit at 9.00 on Monday morning. Some do, but many feel their lives have been destroyed
nosmas
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28 Jan 2012 9:48am
Cisco spend some time in the kimberlies mate...
All of a sudden those poor, saved, helpless souls come into their own and make you look like a fool. They are aware and connected to the land in ways you have never experienced before. In Western words it's kinda like their land is a member of the family.
nosmas
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28 Jan 2012 9:50am
... kinda sounds dumb but watch Avatar, perfectly explains
theDoctor
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28 Jan 2012 1:27pm
nosmas said...

Cisco spend some time in the kimberlies mate...
All of a sudden those poor, saved, helpless souls come into their own and make you look like a fool. They are aware and connected to the land in ways you have never experienced before. In Western words it's kinda like their land is a member of the family.


Can't have a corroboree without chicken treat and red tins
slainte
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28 Jan 2012 12:31pm
theDoctor said...

nosmas said...

Cisco spend some time in the kimberlies mate...
All of a sudden those poor, saved, helpless souls come into their own and make you look like a fool. They are aware and connected to the land in ways you have never experienced before. In Western words it's kinda like their land is a member of the family.


Can't have a corroboree without chicken treat and red tins


Don,t forget the durries Doc
cisco
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28 Jan 2012 12:52pm
Oh,Oh,Oh!!!

You have all slashed me to pieces and cut me to the quick and now I am bleeding all over the place.

No I did not read "Guns, Germs and Steel" but did watch the whole program on the choobe as well as a couple of other related.

"Why has white fella got more cargo than me?" rings a bell.
NoBS
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28 Jan 2012 11:37am
theDoctor said...

nosmas said...

Cisco spend some time in the kimberlies mate...
All of a sudden those poor, saved, helpless souls come into their own and make you look like a fool. They are aware and connected to the land in ways you have never experienced before. In Western words it's kinda like their land is a member of the family.


Can't have a corroboree without chicken treat and red tins


or Frey Bentos corned beef cans.. They love that stuff...
ginger pom
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28 Jan 2012 2:59pm
Positive aspect of this thread is that I've just green thumbed the doctor for being spot on.
surferstu
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28 Jan 2012 12:12pm
NoBS said...

theDoctor said...

nosmas said...

Cisco spend some time in the kimberlies mate...
All of a sudden those poor, saved, helpless souls come into their own and make you look like a fool. They are aware and connected to the land in ways you have never experienced before. In Western words it's kinda like their land is a member of the family.


Can't have a corroboree without chicken treat and red tins


or Frey Bentos corned beef cans.. They love that stuff...

dont forget the 4lt wine casks (doubles as a pillow when finished)
Ados
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28 Jan 2012 12:34pm
Cisco,
I reckon that you probably would have been one of those that hunted Aboriginal people down like dogs.....your ignorance astounds me.

There were over 300 language groups when the colonizers came along and far from a culture in decline, people adapted to some very extreme environments, i.e. the arid regions - pretty amazing if you ask me...you'd last a day...
there are reliable C14 dates for a number of sites in many arid to semi arid areas.

as an archaelogist with 20 years experience, I have personally excavated a number of sites that have dated to more than 30 kya + .
There are a large number of dates for the Pleistocene occupation of Australia and from a scientific point of view, its pretty much agreed, and has been for some time, that Aboriginal people have been here for quite some time.

Its convenient to believe that Aboriginal cultures were in decline at the arrival of the colonizers as it makes it easier to dismiss them as irrelevant and to make the colonizers sound like saviors.....the many massacres and mistreatment belie this.





FormulaNova
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28 Jan 2012 12:44pm
cisco said...

Oh,Oh,Oh!!!

You have all slashed me to pieces and cut me to the quick and now I am bleeding all over the place.

No I did not read "Guns, Germs and Steel" but did watch the whole program on the choobe as well as a couple of other related.

"Why has white fella got more cargo than me?" rings a bell.


I guess that shows you that it is difficult to turn a good book into a movie. I guess they sometimes have to dumb it down...

Are you sure you didn't just google that line you have quoted? The sad thing is that if you had read the book you would have actually understood the significance of it.


cantswm4sht
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28 Jan 2012 4:37pm
From what I know, (which isn't much,)
The native australians only got sick after white man came over with all these ailments and diseases that the native man had no immunity to, (from the common cold to .....)
I remember that quite alot of cooks men were killed by natives, and vise versa,
So they were neither weak nor poor, (In context)
I would say they were rich in culture,and lived in harmony with their surroundings, to be at one with nature, so to speak ( A concept most people can't grasp) or spend half their life trying to achieve.

This is how we have to become again now to survive the decay of our country planet,solar system, galaxy, ...
We talk of carbon tax,.... blah blahhh, (while we gobble more and more energy) eating through our resources like there an endless supply. SELLING THE REST OF TO FORIEGN INTEREST.

Get back in touch with mother nature,
I could spend hours pulling crap of the internet to argue this point either direction,
But I just rolled a nice spliff, and that's looking more and more like it needs company

I put my 2 bobs worth in, but it ended up nearly a dollar !! (damn taxes)
Bloody gillard!

worrier
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28 Jan 2012 2:10pm
Ados said...

Cisco,
I reckon that you probably would have been one of those that hunted Aboriginal people down like dogs.....your ignorance astounds me.

There were over 300 language groups when the colonizers came along and far from a culture in decline, people adapted to some very extreme environments, i.e. the arid regions - pretty amazing if you ask me...you'd last a day...
there are reliable C14 dates for a number of sites in many arid to semi arid areas.

as an archaelogist with 20 years experience, I have personally excavated a number of sites that have dated to more than 30 kya + .
There are a large number of dates for the Pleistocene occupation of Australia and from a scientific point of view, its pretty much agreed, and has been for some time, that Aboriginal people have been here for quite some time.

Its convenient to believe that Aboriginal cultures were in decline at the arrival of the colonizers as it makes it easier to dismiss them as irrelevant and to make the colonizers sound like saviors.....the many massacres and mistreatment belie this.

Thats all well and good for a history lesson, but that is all it bloody is.
No offence meant but all the history lessons in the world aint gonna help the future generations of aboriginals f*&K all
The tent embasy has done f*&k all for the future generations. All the young kids have are very few role models and 4 generations of pissheads and criminals to emulate.
Lving in the past /burning the flag and trashing Julia and the mad abbott aint gonna gonna break the cycle of crime, drunkenness and unemployment.

Unless these useless pricks wake up to that, they are dooming their future generations to the same **** life they have got for themselves.
Only people who can change the future is the aboriginal's themselves not the politicians or anyone else. Wallowing in selfpity and bitterness is just a gutless excuse for their own shortcommings

My thoughts anyway. Id just like to see some positive future for their kids, don't see one at the moment.
W





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