So how about owners who are currently trying to sell or trade in their VW diesel cars. Up Scheisen creek without a paddle

Mobydisc said..

rockmagnet said..
So how about owners who are currently trying to sell or trade in their VW diesel cars. Up Scheisen creek without a paddle

Why? Are the cars using more fuel, putting out less power or are less reliable than a month ago? So what if they don't meet an arbitrary limit set by the U.S. Government? As long as you ain't sucking on the exhaust you should be okay.

Everyone knows diesels are dirty and stinky. Why is there this big fuss about it? If I was the boss of VW I'd call it as it is. I'd ask why the U.S. Government did not as big a deal about GM Motors making cars with faulty ignitions that lead to deaths of many Americans. Is it because the G in GM may as well stand for Government?

Simply because vehicles sold in the USA need to meet their emission requirements, VW couldn't, got caught fiddling the books and now are going to have a very large stick taken to them. As the media reports, its a great test case to see if the US justice department is serious about pursuing corporate crime.

It's BS. Basically the cars are fine except they don't meet a standard set by the government that has nothing to with safety. I don't own one so it does not worry me one way or another but it seems like standards have been set that are impossible to meet, witness Mazda basically giving up on selling diesel cars in America. Meanwhile GM are happily churning out hybrid cars and have spent little time or effort to produce diesel cars.

i have a diesel powered vehicle, not a VW which is close to 20 years old. I'm pretty sure it puts out more noxious gasses than a new VW.

Mobydik do you not understand the concept of premeditated deception of a whole ****ing nation for capital gain ****ing scumbags

Out of curiosity, would anyone reading this who would have bought a VW, now NOT buy a VW as a result of this?

I have a VW and an Audi (not diesels) and if they got nicked I'd probably buy the same brands immediately, assuming they represented he best car / $.

Not that this is relevant, but as it happens they both were nicked last week, but the cops have found them and they are giving them back once fixed - unfortunately.

AUS1111 said..
Out of curiosity, would anyone reading this who would have bought a VW, now NOT buy a VW as a result of this?

I have a VW and an Audi (not diesels) and if they got nicked I'd probably buy the same brands immediately, assuming they represented he best car / $.

Not that this is relevant, but as it happens they both were nicked last week, but the cops have found them and they are giving them back once fixed - unfortunately.

It seems we've had quite a week of it

rockmagnet said...
So how about owners who are currently trying to sell or trade in their VW diesel cars. Up Scheisen creek without a paddle

Maybe not, a company such as vw would honour no matter who owns the car, no mention on the vehicules actual emissions - the gadget, I reckon it's still better back to back than most, vw are still a great car, the yanks would be keen to bad mouth the worlds leading brand , to improve their own manufacturing, think about it

You think that the government is meant to represent the majority opinion of its population? In that case we would have the death penalty.

As any petrol head knows, emission regulations are just nanny state overreach.

Mark _australia said..
The thing here is the pious attitude of all condemning VW, which is disgusting.

The damn Govt bends rules (and sometimes breaks them) to suit themselves or their big business mates all the time.

Any Govt criticising VW for their clever way of appearing to follow the rules but actually not, is dead set hypocritical.

the only real and fair will be ...democracy
Leave those VW as is with tumble/ toggle switch.Each driver now could decide if:
a) want to be green friendly, keep the pollution at min ( scarify performance of the engine and increase Co2 and fuel consumption same time)
or
b)switch to economy mode and release power at same time at the cost of releasing laughing gases.
Alternatively if they (government) want to be really credible ban instantly nitro's bottle boosters and all car racing instantly.

Feed the Australian economy feed China ! ! !

Tell you what tho. My wife has a vw 2L turbo diesel. It's by far the nicest car iv ever driven, and it's super fast, I mean real fast. I was blown away at how quick it is. As for the emissions, kind of sicks they did this, but look at the result.

Fun fact- live stock produce more harmful greenhouse gases then cars.

The NOx coming out the tailpipe of a modern VW (35 times what we first thought) is invisible at first but later transforms to produce photochemical smog.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smog

"
Photochemical smog was first described in the 1950s. It is the chemical reaction of sunlight, nitrogen oxides and volatile organic compounds in the atmosphere, which leaves airborne particles and ground-level ozone.[14] This noxious mixture of air pollutants may include the following:AldehydesNitrogen oxides, such as nitrogen dioxidePeroxyacyl nitratesTropospheric ozoneVolatile organic compoundsAll of these harsh chemicals are usually highly reactive and oxidizing. Photochemical smog is therefore considered to be a problem of modern industrialization. It is present in all modern cities, but it is more common in cities with sunny, warm, dry climates and a large number of motor vehicles.[15] Because it travels with the wind, it can affect sparsely populated areas as well."

I live 50 km south of Sydney but often can see the smog drifting out across the ocean. Now I know VW Golfs are a major culprit. Who would have thought?

kemp90 said..
Tell you what tho. My wife has a vw 2L turbo diesel. It's by far the nicest car iv ever driven, and it's super fast, I mean real fast. I was blown away at how quick it is. As for the emissions, kind of sicks they did this, but look at the result.

Fun fact- live stock produce more harmful greenhouse gases then cars.

Its days of being super fast may be numbered, looks like it might get recalled for a detune.

"
Moves to address the problem may result in decreased performance for customers as vehicles are unlikely to be able to dramatically improve on current emissions figures while maintaining current power and torque outputs. Volkswagen's Australian arm has not confirmed whether local models are affected by the scandal, but figures obtained by Fairfax Media suggest the count will exceed 40,000 cars."

www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-29/volkswagen-to-refit-cars-affected-by-emissions-scandal/6814896

sotired said..

How long does it take you to go through 60 litres of petrol in your mower or auger?

I am sure that my gargen power tools like mower and augers do not exceed norms 40 times but 4000x fold that poor VW.I one weekend mowing or auger drilling we could assimilate more toxins that driving whole week on the road.All this once enjoying "healthy" work around garden or home.

Macroscien said..

sotired said..

How long does it take you to go through 60 litres of petrol in your mower or auger?

I am sure that my gargen power tools like mower and augers do not exceed norms 40 times but 4000x fold that poor VW.I one weekend mowing or auger drilling we could assimilate more toxins that driving whole week on the road.All this once enjoying "healthy" work around garden or home.

How are you sure of that?

Do you have petrol power tools or diesel ones?

Again, one hour of mowing probably uses a couple of litres of fuel, and a couple of hours of driving probably uses 20 litres of fuel. I drive a lot more each week than I mow.

Regardless, defending VW is silly. The rules were there for all to meet, and they had a choice to meet them or not. Not a choice to defeat the testing mechanism. Surely the power and fuel economy values affect how many people buy their cars, so they have been lying. Period.

Even if you burn 20 litres of diesel in a bonfire every afternoon, you still can't get away from the fact that they lied and competed with other suppliers on an un-level playing field.

I wonder what the response would be if it was Holden that was found to do this. There would be outrage!