A politician? Someone that tells you what you should have done and they would have done better?

Hmmm.... sounds familiar.

Then South Park vaccination squad is hiring..

kiterboy said..

Chris 249 said..
The existence of occasional short-term side effects (which I've never denied) does not constitute the proof of long term side effects that I said we haven't seen.

Yes, it is impossible to have long term proof in the short term. I know that, and never denied it, and I specifically referred to "possible" dangers in the long term. That reference to "possible" dangers shows that any inference that I have ignored the possibility would be just dishonest. Nor did I ever deny that MRNA vaccines are novel. So are plenty of other medical techniques that people use, to their benefit.

Short term effects do not mean there are similar or related long term effects. It's well known that many vaccines have a small possibility of short term side effects like anaphylaxis. That's why the 15 minute wait that you didn't know about is standard practise after a shot. It's an example of the fact that the existence of a side effect in the short term does not mean that the side effect persists into the long term.

None of that gets away from the fact that some of us prefer to reduce a known current risk, even if there is some possibility of unknown long term risk. And some of us are prepared to take certain long-term risks, just as you appear to take the long-term risk of skin cancer when you go kiting.

So we're in agreeance then.

You like so many others are so **** scared, that you've taken an experimental treatment to sooth your minds short term, and your fear has seriously clouded your judgement of the long term risks of taking something so new that no-one can possibly know what the outcome of it would be.

How does it feel to live your life in fear that you are willing to grasp at any straw?
It must feel pretty good to have emotionally stunted people like lotofhotwind project their daddy issues onto you.

You're the one scared of the allegedly possible side-effects that you have not identified.

My judgement is based on assessment of the facts, including people I know who have suffered Covid and suffered the real effects - short term, mid term, and possibly long term. That's real effects that really happen - not some possible effect caused by an unidentified mechanism. I know I could catch Covid, I know that it could hit me particularly badly because of an old windsurfing injury that smashed my sinuses and makes me liable to infections there.

Of course I'm going to be logical and avoid a significant known risk. Of course I'm not going to run like a coward from a supposed boogeyman risk that probably doesn't even exist.

I notice you continually avoid the fact that YOU run known long term risks and accept them. You run an increased risk of fatal skin cancer when you go kitesurfing. Assuming you drink beer, you run an increased risk of illness in the long term every time you skull a glass. Every time you step in the water, you run a risk. So if you run those risks, why are you so terrified of a risk that may not even exist?

How does it feel to live your life in such fear that you are running scared of risks that (on the basis of available science) don't even exist and you can't even properly identify?

By the way, Japie, yesterday you were claiming that thousands of scientists were unwilling to speak out because they would lose their careers.

As the figures I posted yesterday show, thousands of scientists HAVE lost their jobs because of Covid. So why aren't the ones who are losing their jobs speaking out, if Covid is BS as you claim?

The country's top medical school, the one at U Syd, has sacked 27 full-time equivalent jobs. So if top medical scientists like that are getting sacked, how can you claim that all 10,000 plus medical scientists in Australia are staying quiet to save their jobs?

Come on, why are they staying silent? And why are you staying silent when you get asked questions like this?

Chris 249 said..
Surely you're going to put your money where your mouth is?

Chris, I am not sure if you are aware of the etiquette required here.

Things are forecast. Often, usually, no specific date is mentioned.

Things don't happen.

People who said certain things were going to happen, sit there quietly or come up with a new thing that will happen and change the world.

I have it on good authority that the Global Reset is happening in October. When it doesn't happen I don't expect any mention of it at all and it will be wiped from their memory.

Remember, ultimately it comes down to 'they were in on it' or 'they were gotten to'.

One thing that's interesting is that the people who keep on saying that Covid is being used by some parties to make fortunes don't mention that it's also COSTING huge interests vast sums. The giant oil companies like BP, Exxon and Shell are reporting annual losses of $20 BILLION US or so, instead of profits of about that much.

www.business-standard.com/article/international/hit-by-covid-19-pandemic-oil-giants-exxon-bp-post-huge-2020-losses-121020300184_1.html www.bbc.com/news/business-55931523

Australian insurers seem to be losing $10 Billion in business interruption insurance.

www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-25/insurance-industry-covid-losses-high-court-ruling-business/100244772

Airlines are allegedly losing $48 billion US per annum, instead of making profits.

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-04-21/airlines-see-2021-losses-ballooning-to-48-billion-amid-setbacks

Government revenues are down. Government payouts are up. The US governments are said to be losing about $190 billion a year. www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2020/09/24/how-much-is-covid-19-hurting-state-and-local-revenues/

So yes, some in the medical area are doing well, but far larger and more powerful forces are losing billions - and the execs are probably losing vast bonus payments. So if it's all a conspiracy to make money, why are the vast oil companies, the big insurers, the powerful airlines, the big cruise ship companies, the governments and all the other powers that are losing fortunes keeping so quiet?

Chris 249 said..

kiterboy said..

Chris 249 said..
The existence of occasional short-term side effects (which I've never denied) does not constitute the proof of long term side effects that I said we haven't seen.

Yes, it is impossible to have long term proof in the short term. I know that, and never denied it, and I specifically referred to "possible" dangers in the long term. That reference to "possible" dangers shows that any inference that I have ignored the possibility would be just dishonest. Nor did I ever deny that MRNA vaccines are novel. So are plenty of other medical techniques that people use, to their benefit.

Short term effects do not mean there are similar or related long term effects. It's well known that many vaccines have a small possibility of short term side effects like anaphylaxis. That's why the 15 minute wait that you didn't know about is standard practise after a shot. It's an example of the fact that the existence of a side effect in the short term does not mean that the side effect persists into the long term.

None of that gets away from the fact that some of us prefer to reduce a known current risk, even if there is some possibility of unknown long term risk. And some of us are prepared to take certain long-term risks, just as you appear to take the long-term risk of skin cancer when you go kiting.

So we're in agreeance then.

You like so many others are so **** scared, that you've taken an experimental treatment to sooth your minds short term, and your fear has seriously clouded your judgement of the long term risks of taking something so new that no-one can possibly know what the outcome of it would be.

How does it feel to live your life in fear that you are willing to grasp at any straw?
It must feel pretty good to have emotionally stunted people like lotofhotwind project their daddy issues onto you.

You're the one scared of the allegedly possible side-effects that you have not identified.

My judgement is based on assessment of the facts, including people I know who have suffered Covid and suffered the real effects - short term, mid term, and possibly long term. That's real effects that really happen - not some possible effect caused by an unidentified mechanism. I know I could catch Covid, I know that it could hit me particularly badly because of an old windsurfing injury that smashed my sinuses and makes me liable to infections there.

Of course I'm going to be logical and avoid a significant known risk. Of course I'm not going to run like a coward from a supposed boogeyman risk that probably doesn't even exist.

I notice you continually avoid the fact that YOU run known long term risks and accept them. You run an increased risk of fatal skin cancer when you go kitesurfing. Assuming you drink beer, you run an increased risk of illness in the long term every time you skull a glass. Every time you step in the water, you run a risk. So if you run those risks, why are you so terrified of a risk that may not even exist?

How does it feel to live your life in such fear that you are running scared of risks that (on the basis of available science) don't even exist and you can't even properly identify?

Are you still squawking with your walls of text?

You just love comparing apples to oranges don't you.

On one hand you mention activities in which the risks are known and can be managed, on the other allowing yourself to be injected with a therapy that the risks are completely unknown, and hence can't be managed or weighed up on a risk/benefit analysis.
And you make this comparison as if they are the same thing.

You are deluded.
It is your fear that has made you leap into the unknown, to expose yourself to risks that even you admit are not known - not that they definitely don't exist, that they are unknown.
Yet you try to project that fear onto others, those that would prefer to wait an appropriate amount of time to then be able to make a proper risk/benefit analysis.

I love your disclaimer of 'on the basis of available science'. Did you know that 'available science' comes from in large part, thoroughly testing new drugs and therapies over a significant amount of time to account for long term effects? Obviously not.

Are you even aware that Pfizer have listed that their clinical trials won't be finished until 2023?
You are part of the clinical trials, guinea pig.

Good one brainiac.

#walloftext

kiterboy said..

Chris 249 said..

kiterboy said..

Chris 249 said..
The existence of occasional short-term side effects (which I've never denied) does not constitute the proof of long term side effects that I said we haven't seen.

Yes, it is impossible to have long term proof in the short term. I know that, and never denied it, and I specifically referred to "possible" dangers in the long term. That reference to "possible" dangers shows that any inference that I have ignored the possibility would be just dishonest. Nor did I ever deny that MRNA vaccines are novel. So are plenty of other medical techniques that people use, to their benefit.

Short term effects do not mean there are similar or related long term effects. It's well known that many vaccines have a small possibility of short term side effects like anaphylaxis. That's why the 15 minute wait that you didn't know about is standard practise after a shot. It's an example of the fact that the existence of a side effect in the short term does not mean that the side effect persists into the long term.

None of that gets away from the fact that some of us prefer to reduce a known current risk, even if there is some possibility of unknown long term risk. And some of us are prepared to take certain long-term risks, just as you appear to take the long-term risk of skin cancer when you go kiting.

So we're in agreeance then.

You like so many others are so **** scared, that you've taken an experimental treatment to sooth your minds short term, and your fear has seriously clouded your judgement of the long term risks of taking something so new that no-one can possibly know what the outcome of it would be.

How does it feel to live your life in fear that you are willing to grasp at any straw?
It must feel pretty good to have emotionally stunted people like lotofhotwind project their daddy issues onto you.

You're the one scared of the allegedly possible side-effects that you have not identified.

My judgement is based on assessment of the facts, including people I know who have suffered Covid and suffered the real effects - short term, mid term, and possibly long term. That's real effects that really happen - not some possible effect caused by an unidentified mechanism. I know I could catch Covid, I know that it could hit me particularly badly because of an old windsurfing injury that smashed my sinuses and makes me liable to infections there.

Of course I'm going to be logical and avoid a significant known risk. Of course I'm not going to run like a coward from a supposed boogeyman risk that probably doesn't even exist.

I notice you continually avoid the fact that YOU run known long term risks and accept them. You run an increased risk of fatal skin cancer when you go kitesurfing. Assuming you drink beer, you run an increased risk of illness in the long term every time you skull a glass. Every time you step in the water, you run a risk. So if you run those risks, why are you so terrified of a risk that may not even exist?

How does it feel to live your life in such fear that you are running scared of risks that (on the basis of available science) don't even exist and you can't even properly identify?

Are you still squawking with your walls of text?

Good one brainiac.

#walloftext

Yeah Chris. I want MY answer, not your explanation of things using words. Words! What use are they?

I want my opinion reinforced for me and in no way am I expecting to have my arguments logically refuted. Please refrain from doing this!

In summary, so that you don't mix it up again:

1. Examining my logic and presenting arguments for it using easy to understand logic:

= Too much text, I am not able to cope.


2. Logic that disagrees with what I say:

= Rubbish and no discussion will be entered into.


3. Logic for which I have no understanding:

= Following the official narrative.


4. Anything else:

= You are a 'tard and you keep on telling me stuff I don't like.

Kiter, the fact that one risk can be managed does not mean that it is less dangerous than one alleged risk that may not even exist. Every day we face risks, known and unknown. Accepting that there MAY be long-term risks to alleviate known short-term risks is not dumb, even if it seems to terrify you.

I didn't come here and criticise those who aren't getting a jab. I made some specific points, without throwing insults at you. You then started making lame, childish insults because that's all you can do.

I have no idea why you thought I was sympathetic for oil company executives and their ilk. The point is that the other people who are claiming that Covid is a scam by some big businesses have not explained why even bigger businesses, with their vast budgets and powers, have not avoided their vast losses by exposing the "scam"; just like they have not explained why the thousands of medical scientists who are losing jobs because of Covid are apparently silenced by companies that didn't pay them for the jobs they no longer have.

Sorry if you struggle with reading and get intimidated by "walls of text". Anyway, enough of this, I'm off, you stay scared by your imaginary perils.

Your on the money woko, NSW isn't going back to Covid zero, it's spreading, the unvaxed plans to combat the virus are about to be tested.

FDA has now approved Pfizer, no longer an experimental vaccine, or is the FDA in big Phama's pockets too?

Or was it Bill Gates?

FDA has now approved Pfizer, no longer an experimental vaccine...... that big Pharma has complete indemnity from short or long term effects. So sounds experimental to me whether FDA approves or not.

What are you all going to spend your part of the class action settlement on?

If we're making decisions based on professional advice, then we can listen to Dr. Bhatt from Imperial college, who's an arrogant judgemental egotistical jerk. Or we can listen to Prof. Ioannidis from Stanford, who's a polite genuine considered man.
Both top of their field

FormulaNova said..

kiterboy said..

Chris 249 said..
Sorry if you struggle with reading and get intimidated by "walls of text". Anyway, enough of this, I'm off, you stay scared by your imaginary perils.

If I was scared I would have gotten the 'vaccine', like you.

It is normal for people to be scared of the risk. Why are you acting like it is not a reason now? Its a perfectly normal human reason.

I am scared of catching Covid, and scared of what happens to society if lots of people do.

You seem to be scared of the risk of the vaccine and not scared by catching Covid or what happens to society.

We are lucky where Covid does not seem to be an issue for too many people in Aus at the moment, so the fear is not as strong as it might otherwise be.

I am concerned about both.
I neither want to catch SARS-Cov-2 or accept an experimental treatment, yet.
So I am managing my risk for both.

I refuse to let fear rule my life.