ben cousins is a moron... he made his bed he can lay in it

I think ,,,,,the fkn media blow there fkn egos so fkn high they crave it more and more,,,,,,AFL football its a tough sport no arguing that but when i watch prime time telly with the chavvie and see brawles all in with head butts and king hit knock outs it disgusts me ,and puts me off the game completly,,,,,The blame should fall entirely on the Media,,,,,,

Great player , just fkkt up ,how many of you have done things in the past that you regret, would it be fair if you were tainted and publicly humiliated because you admitted that it was wrong.
Wouldn't you like the oppertunity to rectify things , maybe prevent others from taking the same path?
Can you look inside your own lives and honestly say that there are things you regret and would not change?
How would you handle the publicity? would it sit well?
He made his f..k ups in life public viewing , sure he got payed for it , but if one or two families get some positives from this and kids lives get saved then it will all be worth it.
Good on ya Ben !

yeah thanks for the advice casa-did that,or asked his family to deal with it-3 states away -in rehab.Hindsight is a wonderful thing.Removed my post-too personal for midnight ramblings to be judged by uninformed people.Just thought it would show the issue from a family members view.just shows how everybody around the addict is affected,even by tossers like you.no wonder people dont talk about such things.I feel the family shame all anew think about this-we all have this stereotypical view of a scagg hound-its obvious,they are unkempt,desperate.So many different chemicals out there,drugs to mask drugs,pharms-hillbilly heroin.Then you have binge users as opposed to habitual users.My x was a clean cut guy,doctors prescribed drugs to him without picking it up,the first time was heroin-easy,you have tracks but not if you inject under your nails.The second time it was everything but heroin.The cops that dealt with the accident didnt pick it up.They breath tested him,spent a bit of time with him and let him go.It was only the money clue that nailed him and his rehab confessions later.Look at Mathew Newton-signed by channel 10 with drug clearance-2 weeks later hes in rehab after assaulting yet another girlfriend.To the person who has not been involved with drugs,I am just and old hippy who may have smoked a joint in my youth,it isnt obvious until it gets out of control.We had been seperated for 5 years and you really do need to have a private detective on an addicts case to find out what is really going down.Some drugs are out of your system from anywhere between 24 and 72 hours and this is determined by your metabolic rate.Hair testing is the only way and you need 1 cm for one months chemical trace-easy,shave your head,its fashionable to be bald.and you cannot force a person to hair test,they have to consent.After the first rehab stint,my x was clean for a long while.His mothers a nurse,what chance did I have.I resent the implication that I am a bad mother,my children are remarkably well adjusted, have seen none of this,they just love Dad and he loves them.I believe in giving a person a second chance-go to rehab,stay clean.I have a court enforced hair test agreement for future contact,3cm 4 times a year.That is how you trust an addict.I had no idea of his rehab history prior to our marriage.How well did you grill your spouse?My point was,the effects of addiction are not confined to the user,it is their family that goes through hell while the addict is oblivious to their pain.It wrecks everybodies life.I am lucky,I am a strong capable woman who will always pick up life again,regardless of what it takes to do it.Cousins father will be crushed by the process.Did you notice on the couch after he pulled the hamstring,toasted and I get the thinking-Im out,no need to test for a while.lets party.Me,I am putting the experience to good use,studying so that one day I will be able to help not addicts,but the women and children who innocently get involved with this issue,put their lives back together-they are the unseen victims of drug abuse.

Cassa said...

Great player , just fkkt up ,how many of you have done things in the past that you regret, would it be fair if you were tainted and publicly humiliated because you admitted that it was wrong.
Wouldn't you like the oppertunity to rectify things , maybe prevent others from taking the same path?
Can you look inside your own lives and honestly say that there are things you regret and would not change?
How would you handle the publicity? would it sit well?
He made his f..k ups in life public viewing , sure he got payed for it , but if one or two families get some positives from this and kids lives get saved then it will all be worth it.
Good on ya Ben !

Good post there Cassa.

Quite a few people on this site could benefit having a look at themselves before passing judgement and posting... there has been some good comments on both sides and then some real crap.

squidy said...

Probably not the forum for this kind of chat but logged on today for the first time in months and caught this topic and had to add my 2 cents.I care nothing for football but the issue interested me because 8 years ago I unknowingly married a man who,like cousins,had used on and off since the age of 18.He is now 44.The thing about drug users is that the habit is only maintained through the ability to lie and lie well.In my experience,I suspected mental issues well before drugs.Screw the user,every person makes their own choices,it is the people around them who dont have that luxury.For 8 years,without having ever touched the drug,my life has been dictated by the whims and weaknesses of a user.A person I would have left down the road years ago had we not had children.I lost my house,my friends,my money,my esteem and for a while,a bit of my mind.It took 3 years to finally find out the real deal and being able to label it was a major windfall for me.But not enough to stop it controlling my life.I havent lived with him for 5 years but my life is on hold depending on the choices he makes.3 stints in rehab later and I know this will last forever or until my kids turn 18,my son is 5.Everytime he returns,he is changed man,time passes,we relax and then our lives get turned upside down again.Randoms-I tried those and I almost choked whenI saw cousins shave his head,my x shaved his too before his strand was needed,3cms please.That was a few days before he crashed the car on his way to school to pick up the kids.That was 4 months ago and the situation stands that I can no longer trust him to have weekends with the kids,I had to give up my job,his boy broke his arm yesterday and Daddys not here,there is no free time to pursue my own interests,I cant leave my children on the beach while I go for a paddle or try to stand up on a board-ironic really since it was 5 years ago whilst sobbing into my coffee that I watched the kites on the water and said"one day Ill do that"It seemed so free.And while I get pissed off by it I have to be supportive,protect my children from the reality of it and support a household by myself.He gets patted on the back and told what a great guy he is,gota keep his morale up.Maybe you are right about ego,my x was musician/actor-a rock God on stage-like cousins-likeable,charismatic.The problem was when he made money ,he partied.10grand in 2 months but no financial help for the kids.no sympathy for cousins-plenty for his kin-such is life.....

squidy said...

yeah thanks for the advice casa-did that,or asked his family to deal with it-3 states away -in rehab.Hindsight is a wonderful thing.Removed my post-too personal for midnight ramblings to be judged by uninformed people.Just thought it would show the issue from a family members view.just shows how everybody around the addict is affected,even by tossers like you.no wonder people dont talk about such things.I feel the family shame all anew think about this-we all have this stereotypical view of a scagg hound-its obvious,they are unkempt,desperate.So many different chemicals out there,drugs to mask drugs,pharms-hillbilly heroin.Then you have binge users as opposed to habitual users.My x was a clean cut guy,doctors prescribed drugs to him without picking it up,the first time was heroin-easy,you have tracks but not if you inject under your nails.The second time it was everything but heroin.The cops that dealt with the accident didnt pick it up.They breath tested him,spent a bit of time with him and let him go.It was only the money clue that nailed him and his rehab confessions later.Look at Mathew Newton-signed by channel 10 with drug clearance-2 weeks later hes in rehab after assaulting yet another girlfriend.To the person who has not been involved with drugs,I am just and old hippy who may have smoked a joint in my youth,it isnt obvious until it gets out of control.We had been seperated for 5 years and you really do need to have a private detective on an addicts case to find out what is really going down.Some drugs are out of your system from anywhere between 24 and 72 hours and this is determined by your metabolic rate.Hair testing is the only way and you need 1 cm for one months chemical trace-easy,shave your head,its fashionable to be bald.and you cannot force a person to hair test,they have to consent.After the first rehab stint,my x was clean for a long while.His mothers a nurse,what chance did I have.I resent the implication that I am a bad mother,my children are remarkably well adjusted, have seen none of this,they just love Dad and he loves them.I believe in giving a person a second chance-go to rehab,stay clean.I have a court enforced hair test agreement for future contact,3cm 4 times a year.That is how you trust an addict.I had no idea of his rehab history prior to our marriage.How well did you grill your spouse?My point was,the effects of addiction are not confined to the user,it is their family that goes through hell while the addict is oblivious to their pain.It wrecks everybodies life.I am lucky,I am a strong capable woman who will always pick up life again,regardless of what it takes to do it.Cousins father will be crushed by the process.Did you notice on the couch after he pulled the hamstring,toasted and I get the thinking-Im out,no need to test for a while.lets party.Me,I am putting the experience to good use,studying so that one day I will be able to help not addicts,but the women and children who innocently get involved with this issue,put their lives back together-they are the unseen victims of drug abuse.

Squidy...Thankyou for your informed educated post from a family perspective, raw honest and heartfelt.
I watched the Ben Cousins documentary and was not impressed with his attitude. Whether he has any positive affect of the future drug taking choices of individuals remains to be seen.
In my opinion your account of the realities of the affect of substance abuse was alot more truthful than the Cousins account of their journey.

wheelnut said...

squidy said...

Probably not the forum for this kind of chat but logged on today for the first time in months and caught this topic and had to add my 2 cents.I care nothing for football but the issue interested me because 8 years ago I unknowingly married a man who,like cousins,had used on and off since the age of 18.He is now 44.The thing about drug users is that the habit is only maintained through the ability to lie and lie well.In my experience,I suspected mental issues well before drugs.Screw the user,every person makes their own choices,it is the people around them who dont have that luxury.For 8 years,without having ever touched the drug,my life has been dictated by the whims and weaknesses of a user.A person I would have left down the road years ago had we not had children.I lost my house,my friends,my money,my esteem and for a while,a bit of my mind.It took 3 years to finally find out the real deal and being able to label it was a major windfall for me.But not enough to stop it controlling my life.I havent lived with him for 5 years but my life is on hold depending on the choices he makes.3 stints in rehab later and I know this will last forever or until my kids turn 18,my son is 5.Everytime he returns,he is changed man,time passes,we relax and then our lives get turned upside down again.Randoms-I tried those and I almost choked whenI saw cousins shave his head,my x shaved his too before his strand was needed,3cms please.That was a few days before he crashed the car on his way to school to pick up the kids.That was 4 months ago and the situation stands that I can no longer trust him to have weekends with the kids,I had to give up my job,his boy broke his arm yesterday and Daddys not here,there is no free time to pursue my own interests,I cant leave my children on the beach while I go for a paddle or try to stand up on a board-ironic really since it was 5 years ago whilst sobbing into my coffee that I watched the kites on the water and said"one day Ill do that"It seemed so free.And while I get pissed off by it I have to be supportive,protect my children from the reality of it and support a household by myself.He gets patted on the back and told what a great guy he is,gota keep his morale up.Maybe you are right about ego,my x was musician/actor-a rock God on stage-like cousins-likeable,charismatic.The problem was when he made money ,he partied.10grand in 2 months but no financial help for the kids.no sympathy for cousins-plenty for his kin-such is life.....

squidy said...

yeah thanks for the advice casa-did that,or asked his family to deal with it-3 states away -in rehab.Hindsight is a wonderful thing.Removed my post-too personal for midnight ramblings to be judged by uninformed people.Just thought it would show the issue from a family members view.just shows how everybody around the addict is affected,even by tossers like you.no wonder people dont talk about such things.I feel the family shame all anew think about this-we all have this stereotypical view of a scagg hound-its obvious,they are unkempt,desperate.So many different chemicals out there,drugs to mask drugs,pharms-hillbilly heroin.Then you have binge users as opposed to habitual users.My x was a clean cut guy,doctors prescribed drugs to him without picking it up,the first time was heroin-easy,you have tracks but not if you inject under your nails.The second time it was everything but heroin.The cops that dealt with the accident didnt pick it up.They breath tested him,spent a bit of time with him and let him go.It was only the money clue that nailed him and his rehab confessions later.Look at Mathew Newton-signed by channel 10 with drug clearance-2 weeks later hes in rehab after assaulting yet another girlfriend.To the person who has not been involved with drugs,I am just and old hippy who may have smoked a joint in my youth,it isnt obvious until it gets out of control.We had been seperated for 5 years and you really do need to have a private detective on an addicts case to find out what is really going down.Some drugs are out of your system from anywhere between 24 and 72 hours and this is determined by your metabolic rate.Hair testing is the only way and you need 1 cm for one months chemical trace-easy,shave your head,its fashionable to be bald.and you cannot force a person to hair test,they have to consent.After the first rehab stint,my x was clean for a long while.His mothers a nurse,what chance did I have.I resent the implication that I am a bad mother,my children are remarkably well adjusted, have seen none of this,they just love Dad and he loves them.I believe in giving a person a second chance-go to rehab,stay clean.I have a court enforced hair test agreement for future contact,3cm 4 times a year.That is how you trust an addict.I had no idea of his rehab history prior to our marriage.How well did you grill your spouse?My point was,the effects of addiction are not confined to the user,it is their family that goes through hell while the addict is oblivious to their pain.It wrecks everybodies life.I am lucky,I am a strong capable woman who will always pick up life again,regardless of what it takes to do it.Cousins father will be crushed by the process.Did you notice on the couch after he pulled the hamstring,toasted and I get the thinking-Im out,no need to test for a while.lets party.Me,I am putting the experience to good use,studying so that one day I will be able to help not addicts,but the women and children who innocently get involved with this issue,put their lives back together-they are the unseen victims of drug abuse.

Squidy...Thankyou for your informed educated post from a family perspective, raw honest and heartfelt.
I watched the Ben Cousins documentary and was not impressed with his attitude. Whether he has any positive affect of the future drug taking choices of individuals remains to be seen.
In my opinion your account of the realities of the affect of substance abuse was alot more truthful than the Cousins account of their journey.

LOGMAN said...

Mark _australia said...

So Logman - do you want your kids to think that as long as they are a high achiever, they can work hard all week and then write themselves off on drugs as a reward?

Regardless of if they want to be role models, or if they should be role models, it is a fact of life that they are in the public eye.
Using your logic, police officers can get as high as they want off-duty and then go to work straight and it is OK.... as it is in private and not affecting their work.
Is that OK?

Mark, Howdy, your second point first. Police are banned from using drugs because it's illegal and you can be fired for breaking the law. pro sports people are subject to the law as any other citizen is, the only diff in my eyes is they are subject to the scrutiny of the public who seem to demand more and more of their sports people. The whole "role model " crap is the result of corporatism in sport where sponsors demand that players tow the line and not "trash the brand". This corporatism has now crossed into ordinary society and where winners of TV cooking competitions now declare that they want to be role models. I think if you have to have a footballer or whateva as a role model then you have no role model. Your first point, don't have kids but as a kid growing up, yeah it was a long time ago and being cricket mad I had favorite players. Jeff Thomson was who I wanted to be but somehow I knew that my bromance with Jeff was just about what he did on the field I knew that off the field he was different man and looking back now my elderly auntie was my greatest guide. Oh yeah one more thing : people take drugs : people take drugs because its fun: I'm not saying there are no downsides to taking drugs,far from it but to tell younger people that drugs are pure evil is just setting yourself up for failure. the whole "just say no " message is as vacant as using a 25 year old footballer as a role model

This "LOGMAN" (1 post) isn't the same "log man" (381 posts) as made the initally quoted post. Both profiles say "Rupert Beaumont" - by why would Rupert make a second nearly identical user name to quote himself. Would the real Rupert Beaumont please stand up

And whichever scumbag is doing the impersonating (assumption only) - SHAME SHAME SHAME!

Oh hang on, this is the internet. I forgot you can pretend to be whoever you like.

dusta said...

he was given multiple chances from the start when he was in school and mysteriously bulked up over night and witness to all of us in school . Then a few years later i was over at rottnest and went out to a boat which had cousins on it , now playing for the eagles ade , he was doing drugs on the boat . Over his time at the eagles he was never smart enough to do it behind closed doors and repeatedly got off . How you can show any sympathy for cousins is beyond me .

He was given many many chances and still kept up the same **** . WA has had a history of a big drug culture in football . People over here just think its ok because he has come out and spoken publicly about it and all should be forgiven .

Complete bull**** .

Don't know about that one. Don't remember seeing anyone asking to be forgiven. I thought it was a pretty honest look at how fecked things can get.

You raise a couple a good questions though dusta:

What are you doin' on a boat with Cousins when you knew there would obviously be a drug culture there? **EDIT - My mistake, I'll assume you didn't know he was going to be one there until you got onto the boat.** I mean by your own admission all these issues were already there and well known to all. Did you remove yourself from the situation, or did you take the general acceptance of each to their own?; and

What did you do about it? Did you be the change that the population obviously wants to see?

I always rememeber the following quote:

"Here’s how it was. You’re in public, you have a certain charisma, we’d do a show, I’d go back to the hotel, empty my pockets, they’d 15 / 20 cocktail napkins with phone numbers on ‘em. What I’m saying is none of us were saints. You sell 100 miliion records and see how you handle it…"

It all seems easy to sit on the fence and add running commentry after the fact...

dusta said...

Lost73 said...

dusta said...

he was given multiple chances from the start when he was in school and mysteriously bulked up over night and witness to all of us in school . Then a few years later i was over at rottnest and went out to a boat which had cousins on it , now playing for the eagles ade , he was doing drugs on the boat . Over his time at the eagles he was never smart enough to do it behind closed doors and repeatedly got off . How you can show any sympathy for cousins is beyond me .

He was given many many chances and still kept up the same **** . WA has had a history of a big drug culture in football . People over here just think its ok because he has come out and spoken publicly about it and all should be forgiven .

Complete bull**** .

Don't know about that one. Don't remember seeing anyone asking to be forgiven. I thought it was a pretty honest look at how fecked things can get.

You raise a couple a good questions though dusta:

What are you doin' on a boat with Cousins when you knew there would obviously be a drug culture there? **EDIT - My mistake, I'll assume you didn't know he was going to be one there until you got onto the boat.** I mean by your own admission all these issues were already there and well known to all. Did you remove yourself from the situation, or did you take the general acceptance of each to their own?; and

What did you do about it? Did you be the change that the population obviously wants to see?

I always rememeber the following quote:

"Here’s how it was. You’re in public, you have a certain charisma, we’d do a show, I’d go back to the hotel, empty my pockets, they’d 15 / 20 cocktail napkins with phone numbers on ‘em. What I’m saying is none of us were saints. You sell 100 miliion records and see how you handle it…"

It all seems easy to sit on the fence and add running commentry after the fact...

caught me out mate , i was busy snorting lines of coke . You busted me . Actually what did happen was we were on another boat and as you do at rottnest you boat hopp to quite a few boats . I actually had no idea cousins was on that boat .

I don't agree with anyone . be it a sports star, movie star, muscian etc getting caught for drugs . They get off scott free and its a ****ing joke . Your average joe blow if he ran from a booze bus (as cousins did) they would get smashed by the law .


Why should they get any special treatment , thats what i am pissed about .

Fair call dusta but the issue of special treatment isn't limited to famous people getting caught with drugs - it also extends to Joe Blow taking someone elses life and walking away with 5 years in jail with time off for good behaviour minus time already served. A little off topic but I think you know what I'm saying.

Lost73 said...
A little off topic but I think you know what I'm saying.

I do understand what you are saying mate all good

That Tv show was just a money grabber for him.

It should never of been broadcast.

Hopefully all the kids who worshiped him, will not try to be like him.

Those speedy type drugs are a masive problem and our government needs to sort it out bigtime,and fast!!

Thought the 2nd ep was pretty average and left with more questions than answers.

Although it was important and worth the excercise, I don't think the doco was very well handled overall and had potential to be a lot better if handled by better filmakers. It definately traded on shock value and very little substance (no pun intended) at times. That's not Cousin's fault BTW.

I was very disapointed to see Ch7 blatently cashing in on the doco over the following days by showing footage (including the actual drug taking) in ads/other programs. Talk about milking the shock value.

That detracts and cheapens any kind of message or good work the doco may have achieved. It pretty much shows the level of true integrity in media and their level of genuine care for Cousins as opposed to making cash.

The drug taking shots should NOT be shown outside the doco, at very least so you don't have a kiddy exposed to that, when you are expecting to watch a normal game of footy!

Think it needs to be pointed out that despite causing enormous pain and heartache for his family and friends (even some of his supporters) Cousins has never assualted anyone, never glassed his girlfriend, never p!zzed orf leaving a young girl to die in his apartment, never crashed his car, never deficated in a hotel lobby, never pack raped a teenager, never leaked pics of a girl he's been having an affair with, never p!zzed on a shop window, never .. well you get the message.

True - Cousins had more good luck than good management for sure. Amazing he wasn't involved in a car bingle at very least.

I can understand the envy or resentment towards Cousins as far as the ride he has had in life etc, but I can't actually understand hatred of the bloke? It is not as though he has gone out of his way to hurt or ruin anyone else but himself.

Hope he stays on at Richmond in some capacity and doesn't return to Perf.

Fingers n toes crossed for the future.




EDIT:

Bit late but anyway..

@ Squidy, despite copping flack from some that have never had to face the decisions you have, thank you for sharing your story. Can't blame you for wanting to remove it and perhaps those using your deleted posts in their quotations need to respect your wishes too.

Hope your kids look more to you than their father for guidance in the future. Good luck.