Select to expand quotepsychojoe said..D3 said..
Because we got a good look at how that would play out in real life after travel restrictions in Australia were removed.
I understand Prof Ioannidis tried to get some early, clear understanding of how the virus might affect the USA. But his strongly suggested!l "likely lost in the noise of the seasonal influenza" prediction was clearly off the mark. It matched his study results but not what other countries were witnessing
After the travel restrictions were removed I was able to return home and return to work. Everyone I know including both vaccinated and unvaccinated got Covid and survived. So your assertion that removing travel restrictions was a winning move is validated.
Professor Ioannidis reckoned the IFR was something like 0.26, but maybe as low as 0.02 in early 2020.
If we'd let the original strain infect 10,000,000 Australians (an immunologicaly naive population) in 2020, do you think we'd have been better off?
But I agree with Prof Ioannidis when he says: lockdowns in the USA were necessary as a temporary measure. And they would have been reduced if "we acted earlier, with aggressive testing, tracing, and isolating, like the South Koreans, the Taiwanese and the Singaporeans did, the virus wouldn't have spread as wildly as it did."
Select to expand quotePcdefender said..remery said..
How do the anti-vax/mask loons
You just cannot stop yourself.
Matthew 7:3-5 (NIV):"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."
Select to expand quotepsychojoe said..D3 said..psychojoe said..D3 said..
Because we got a good look at how that would play out in real life after travel restrictions in Australia were removed.
I understand Prof Ioannidis tried to get some early, clear understanding of how the virus might affect the USA. But his strongly suggested!l "likely lost in the noise of the seasonal influenza" prediction was clearly off the mark. It matched his study results but not what other countries were witnessing
After the travel restrictions were removed I was able to return home and return to work. Everyone I know including both vaccinated and unvaccinated got Covid and survived. So your assertion that removing travel restrictions was a winning move is validated.
I'm just wondering if anyone has figured out how Australia would have faired if we'd had 10 million + cases over that first winter?
We've had more than 10 million cases. It's fine. Life goes on. Some people died.
We had approximately 10 million cases in the autumn and winter following the removal of restrictions.
Select to expand quotepsychojoe said..
We've had more than 10 million cases. It's fine. Life goes on. Some people died.
Almost 25,000 Australians died. That's a lot of people missing a friend or family member. Your cavalier attitude to death tells me you are yet to lose someone close to you.
Select to expand quotePcdefender said..
You just cannot stop yourself.
What? Telling it how it is instead of making stuff up like you. Go cry somewhere else.
Calling those who question their vaccines as loons shows what a dark path you are on.
Select to expand quoteremery said..
Almost 25,000 Australians died
Where did you get that number from ?
In the early days we saw reports and images of bodies stored in containers, mass graves, etc because hospitals and morgues were full.
Did that tell us that something out of the ordinary was going on, or was that all just spin or fake?
You can argue about the numbers and morals all you like, but I doubt it was just another flu season.
Select to expand quoteCarantoc said..
Where did you get that number from ?
www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/australia/
Before you ask...
www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/most-accurate-and-timely/
Select to expand quotePcdefender said..
The kid knows the truth, still free of the brainwashing.
Are you implying that people that wont wear masks are mentally equal to this kid? Probably not far wrong.
"no, I don't want to..."
Select to expand quotesgo said..
In the early days we saw reports and images of bodies stored in containers, mass graves, etc because hospitals and morgues were full.
Did that tell us that something out of the ordinary was going on, or was that all just spin or fake?
You can argue about the numbers and morals all you like, but I doubt it was just another flu season.
And, yes there's all the numbers and arguments that can be made about how most people who died were old, infirm, had comorbidities etc.
But that ignores the fact that dying was not the only negative outcome from infection.
Select to expand quotesgo said..
In the early days we saw reports and images of bodies stored in containers, mass graves, etc because hospitals and morgues were full.
Did that tell us that something out of the ordinary was going on, or was that all just spin or fake?
You can argue about the numbers and morals all you like, but I doubt it was just another flu season.
Early on, when COVID was just starting to amok in Italy, a relative of mine who works at Fiona Stanley Hospital, was holding weekly video conference calls with a hospital in Italy so they could get a handle on treatment options should it get to Perth. He described listening to a Respiratory Physician describing the scene at the hospital where he worked. They were completely overwhelmed. They had to decide who got a respirator and who died.
That was the last call. A fortnight later that same physician, in his 40's with a young family, died of COVID.
For frontline staff it was a very scary time and defo not 'just another flu'.
Select to expand quoteremery said..psychojoe said..
We've had more than 10 million cases. It's fine. Life goes on. Some people died.
Almost 25,000 Australians died. That's a lot of people missing a friend or family member. Your cavalier attitude to death tells me you are yet to lose someone close to you.
You're not very perceptive are you. All grandparents, parents, brother and best mate. People die, get used to it.
Select to expand quotesgo said..
In the early days we saw reports and images of bodies stored in containers, mass graves, etc because hospitals and morgues were full.
Did that tell us that something out of the ordinary was going on, or was that all just spin or fake?
You can argue about the numbers and morals all you like, but I doubt it was just another flu season.
That would be out of the ordinary in Australia but it's not out of the ordinary in some countries
Select to expand quoteFor frontline staff it was a very scary time and defo not 'just another flu'.
The general public were subject to search and seizure by "authorised persons", not police, not JPs, not social workers, actually no minimum standard. There were people much more scared than frontline workers.
You mean people were scared of being busted for contravening public health orders?
Or are you talking about something else?
Select to expand quotepsychojoe said..remery said..psychojoe said..
We've had more than 10 million cases. It's fine. Life goes on. Some people died.
Almost 25,000 Australians died. That's a lot of people missing a friend or family member. Your cavalier attitude to death tells me you are yet to lose someone close to you.
You're not very perceptive are you. All grandparents, parents, brother and best mate. People die, get used to it.
For one of 'probably the youngest person on this forum' to have all grandparents and parents dead, you are pretty unlucky!
You are not bothered about people dying but not being able to go a few kilometres to hug your grandchildren gave you PTSD?
You are a complex person.
I should stop remembering what you have written here over the years, it's giving me PTSD as well. I am not sure if its real and you are a complex person or if you just forget what you write. I suspect that you just get upset at things you want to get upset at.
Select to expand quoteremery said..
www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/australia/
Before you ask...
www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/most-accurate-and-timely/
Oak-ley-Dokeley.
......just that before I asked I checked the ABS. They put the figure closer to 17,000 than 25,000.
Would be interesting to know why such a difference between ABS using health department records and worldometer ad-driven internet site. I couldn't see from your link where that site gets it raw data from. The linked comment about accuracy cites their number one example of why they are more accurate than anywhere else because they found a 50 person typo in numbers from Italy. If that is the biggest reason I am not sure it is going change the facts or opinions one way or another.
I also noticed from the ABS data that of those "nearly 25,000" 17,000 deaths, less than 750 were people under 60. And over 14,000 had a pre-existing chronic condition. I guess these sorts of statistics really demonstrate why we had to lock kids out of skool and stop people going to the park for more than 15 minutes. I mean in the same period that less than 750 people under 60 died from covid as a contributing cause more than 4,000 died in road accidents so I suppose the logic for restricitng people to 5km travel from their home and declaring it a pandemic of the unvaccinated really is put into context.
www.abs.gov.au/articles/covid-19-mortality-australia-deaths-registered-until-31-january-2024#covid-19-associated-deaths-reported-in-this-article
Select to expand quoteremery said..
Japanese are renowned for following rules and guidelines. That's why all the passengers survived that plane fire recently.
How do the anti-vax/mask loons explain that deaths per million in Japan are less than a quarter of the USA?
USA ranked #14 - 3,642 deaths per million.
Australia #108 - 937 deaths per million
Japan ranked #129 - 595 deaths per million.
data.worldobesity.org/rankings/?age=a&sex=f
Water finding it's own level.
Perhaps its had enough of the CT oppression and just wants to free, both the straight and bendy water, that is.
