Mark _australia said...

They will still get it thru whatever source they have currently, be that illegal imports or stolen stuff.

That is the whole problem, criminals by definition don't care what the laws are, the big gun buy back has done nothing to stop gun crime as criminals are still running around happily shooting each other so the government is doing what it does best and create more laws to restrict the freedom of responsible citizens. The new life laws are also ridiculous BTW soon you will have to register a knitting needle as a lethal weapon.

Mark _australia said...

Ados said...

FormulaNova said...

Is an 'inconvenience' really such a problem?

Reading through this, it looks like it is insisting that those buying ammunition prove that they own the type of weapon that takes that type of ammunition. Why is that unreasonable? Why would anyone want to buy ammunition for a gun they didn't own?

Paperwork? You don't want people that sell guns and ammo to have to do paperwork?

Why would you be against this?

Sorry, but I can't see anything thing in this that would really be a problem for your typical licensed gun owner.

This begs the question, if you had an unlicensed firearm, where would you get the ammunition from?

agreed. with all the other much more pressing issues going on in OZ and indeed the world, this is basically a non-issue in the broad picture.

So if crims get banned guns and shoot people (currently), you people firmly believe that making licensed gun owners sign for ammo will reduce gun crime?
The more pressing issues are the reasons for the crime.

Guns suck, unless you're like a farmer or have a good reason for one.

But if you just make it harder to get ammunition then you are opening yet another thing to trade on black market. Criminals get richer.

"Sure, I have a license for that type of gun, I'll get the ammo for ya for $n bucks."

The irony is that the more illegal something is that people want, the harder it is to get, the more profitable it becomes to (successfully) deal it.

As a former hand gun owner, I feel qualified to comment here. Decades ago in the R.S.A. , when you went to buy ammo for your gun, all ammo sales were recorded in a register and you had to produce your license to buy ammo for the calibre of gun you were licensed for.The cops could come and view the register at any time , and if your name was popping up all over town, I think you'd have a bit of explaining to do. We are waaaay behind here. It's coming, it's long overdue and it's a good thing, IMHO, J

Sometimes I feel like I am belting my head on a brick wall...

crims are importing drugs and the chemicals to manufacture them.
at the same time, they are bringing in illegal firearms, stealing firearms- or buying illegally possessed unlicensed firearms, to protect thier drugs, the profits from assorted criminal enterprises and thier turf.

do you really think they are going to walk into a shop and buy ammo over the counter expecting no questions asked? or wander into a shooting club and ask if they can buy a refill for thier unlicensed firearm?

no legit. firearms owner is going to risk the wrath of big brother to suppy crims with ammo. its just not worth it.

If crims are having any difficulty finding ammo, or cant steal it from civvys, police or military sources- they can VERY EASILY manufacture thier own ammo from scratch.
A dodgy backyard methlab operator could without much hassle make decent quality black powder, smokeless powder, guncotton, or any one of dozens of simple firearms propellants with mostly supermarket and hardware shop ingredients.
The primer compound (for igniting the gunpowder) is actually not that hard to make, and lead casting for projectiles is as easy as making fishing sinkers, if they cant import bullet moulds or reloading dies- any basic machine workshop with a lathe can make them. coincidentally- our prison system teach the skills to operate the machines needed to make these items as part of rehabilitation!
This kind of stuff has been done by terrorists, rebels, governments, (and schoolkids) for ages.

All these "well meaning laws" and bleating of "its for the children" will never stop crims from being crims., but it will stuff the legitimate shooter and law abiding citizen around.

A few years ago, the UK took the dramatic knee jerk reaction of outlawing all handguns.

Since that day- levels of handgun crime and street violence has gone through the roof.
All because criminal gangs have no probs getting by stealing, manufacturing or illegally importing what they want.

Stephen.