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doggie
doggie
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11 May 2012 9:01am
bobajob said...

doggie said...

I dont think Im racist, I expect a fair go far all. At my work we have all walks of life here and we generally dont have any race problems at all. The guy from the Philippines pisses me off a bit but that a personality thing not a race thing.

I have a bigger problem with dumb Aussies who think I should be able to read their fricken minds and that are so pigheaded I just want to...................... [}:)]


So you do actually work?
Sorry doggie, with your 12000 odd posts I had to wonder. I thought may be rich, bored, you know. Bugger I forgot where I was going with this (.)y(.)






If I was rich I dont think I would be bored
log man
log man
VIC
8289 posts
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11 May 2012 12:18pm
SP said...

log man said...

jbshack said...

Aussiex said...

If you don't like it don't read them. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and if it is truly wrong the moderators will sort it out.


I say this quote says it all for me.

I imagine a forum to be like a Pub. If you like a conversation join in. If you don't walk away but remember how you interact could determine the way your treated. Be it in the pub or on line

If don't want to inflame a situation stay away from it simple


Yeah I think if I was at a pub and heard some of the comments made hear I would probably leave the pub thinking, when did Pauline Hanson take over the lease?



Guess the wine bar is a bit different than my local


But your right this forum should be like the mainstream media, just there to get one viewpoint across, heaven forbid people's opinions are heard.


Don't know about your local mate but I reckon that's a big thing about the way talk back radio, forums, and commercial media works. Somehow the idea of "the expert " has gone out the window . Now Everybody has "an opinion"

It doesn't seem to matter how ill informed that opinion is , how crazy , how not based in FACT that opinion is .......it's MY opinion. Somehow it's sacred and cannot be challenged.

Just look at the Global Warming debate. Experts, with years of study,experience,published papers,and respect find themselves arguing the toss with shock jocks, newspaper columnists, and guys who wrote a book a while ago about something or other.

Opinion is entertaining but it can also be damaging and hurtful.
SP
SP
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SP SP
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11 May 2012 10:57am
log man said...

SP said...

log man said...

jbshack said...

Aussiex said...

If you don't like it don't read them. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and if it is truly wrong the moderators will sort it out.


I say this quote says it all for me.

I imagine a forum to be like a Pub. If you like a conversation join in. If you don't walk away but remember how you interact could determine the way your treated. Be it in the pub or on line

If don't want to inflame a situation stay away from it simple


Yeah I think if I was at a pub and heard some of the comments made hear I would probably leave the pub thinking, when did Pauline Hanson take over the lease?



Guess the wine bar is a bit different than my local


But your right this forum should be like the mainstream media, just there to get one viewpoint across, heaven forbid people's opinions are heard.


Don't know about your local mate but I reckon that's a big thing about the way talk back radio, forums, and commercial media works. Somehow the idea of "the expert " has gone out the window . Now Everybody has "an opinion"

It doesn't seem to matter how ill informed that opinion is , how crazy , how not based in FACT that opinion is .......it's MY opinion. Somehow it's sacred and cannot be challenged.

Just look at the Global Warming debate. Experts, with years of study,experience,published papers,and respect find themselves arguing the toss with shock jocks, newspaper columnists, and guys who wrote a book a while ago about something or other.

Opinion is entertaining but it can also be damaging and hurtful.




Yeah but expert opinion can also cut through all the bull****, policy talk etc but your dead on, our media doesn't gives us this, they give us fear, loathing and segregation in a chase for the advertising dollar..

An idiots opinion is just that one idiots opinion. You just have to be able to identify the idiots


GreenPat
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11 May 2012 1:10pm
Yeah, been thinking of having a moderation crackdown. There's certainly a bit of envelope pushing going on.
cisco
cisco
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12365 posts
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11 May 2012 1:49pm
GreenPat said...

I've been thinking of having a moderation crackdown. There's certainly a bit of envelope pushing going on.


I you are going to bow to loggie's whinging just like that, tell SBS to get rid of the Insight programme and ABC can ditch QandA also.

loggie said:- We've got about 4 threads at the moment that are based in race hate and religious vilification.

Those issues are being discussed fairly intelligently but the threads are not based in in them.

But hey, you got the power of the flick Green Pat, so I guess you gotta do what the rules and your conscience tell you.

I see only one person complaining about having the discussions even though there are some diametricly opposed views.

Also is it not forum policy that moderation issues are only to be discussed by email?
log man
log man
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11 May 2012 1:56pm
Cisco ,can you not distinguish between SBS's Insight and ABC's Q and A......... and some of the racist, bigoted crap on here? come on!
GreenPat
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11 May 2012 2:19pm
cisco said...


Also is it not forum policy that moderation issues are only to be discussed by email?



It's forum policy not to have political debates or religious this and that. Application of policy is up to our discretion. Anyway, who would I email? It's just a thought so far, not directed at anyone in particular.
jamdfingr
jamdfingr
QLD
663 posts
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11 May 2012 2:23pm
Didnt really know that the policy was not to discuss religious or racial issues in the forum.

doggie
doggie
WA
15849 posts
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11 May 2012 1:22pm
GreenPat said...

cisco said...


Also is it not forum policy that moderation issues are only to be discussed by email?



It's forum policy not to have political debates or religious this and that. Application of policy is up to our discretion. Anyway, who would I email? It's just a thought so far, not directed at anyone in particular.


Politics as well, if there was none of that log man wouldnt even log on.
jamdfingr
jamdfingr
QLD
663 posts
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11 May 2012 3:52pm
So are we allowed to discriminate and rag on the flaws of the Victorians then?



C'mon Log Man.... Bite... Bite....




Ahh... Im just kidding....

But Seriously, Stop Victorians Stealing our South Australian Fish!!!!
dinsdale
dinsdale
WA
1227 posts
WA, 1227 posts
11 May 2012 7:37pm
log man said...
Yes Mark, but there was nothing there to start with. And there never will be. So it turns into a religious vilification....

Cor blimey!! That's a bit rich! You are definitely one of the biggest religious "vilifiers" on this site. You'll pour any unsubstantiated bile on Christianity, but get upset at anyone criticizing your current pet project - importing islam.

d1
d1
WA
304 posts
d1 d1
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11 May 2012 7:50pm
dinsdale said...

log man said...
Yes Mark, but there was nothing there to start with. And there never will be. So it turns into a religious vilification....

Cor blimey!! That's a bit rich! You are definitely one of the biggest religious "vilifiers" on this site. You'll pour any unsubstantiated bile on Christianity, but get upset at anyone criticizing your current pet project - importing islam.


Dinsi, my habibi, you should take some credit for the vilification yourself, don't be modest. Didn't you recently paraphrase Hitler by talking about "a cancer in our country"?
dinsdale
dinsdale
WA
1227 posts
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11 May 2012 7:52pm
d1 said...
[Didn't you recently paraphrase Hitler by talking about "a cancer in our country"?

No, I didn't!

Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23652 posts
WA, 23652 posts
11 May 2012 7:56pm
dinsdale said...

log man said...
Yes Mark, but there was nothing there to start with. And there never will be. So it turns into a religious vilification....

Cor blimey!! That's a bit rich! You are definitely one of the biggest religious "vilifiers" on this site. You'll pour any unsubstantiated bile on Christianity, but get upset at anyone criticizing your current pet project - importing islam.




Agreed.
It is OK to rubbish Christianity and take the piss but not to state that many Muslims believe in certain things

Like I have said before, do an experiment. Go to a party and tell everyone you are Buddhist, Taoist or something. Then go to a party the week after and tell everyone you are a born again Christian. Watch the difference.
and no, I don't subscribe to any particular religion I just find it annoying that the 'inclusive' types here rubbish Christianity, but if anyone rubbishes Islam they are accused of being racist.
japie
japie
NSW
7146 posts
NSW, 7146 posts
11 May 2012 9:56pm
log man said...

SP said...

log man said...

jbshack said...

Aussiex said...

If you don't like it don't read them. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and if it is truly wrong the moderators will sort it out.


I say this quote says it all for me.

I imagine a forum to be like a Pub. If you like a conversation join in. If you don't walk away but remember how you interact could determine the way your treated. Be it in the pub or on line

If don't want to inflame a situation stay away from it simple


Yeah I think if I was at a pub and heard some of the comments made hear I would probably leave the pub thinking, when did Pauline Hanson take over the lease?



Guess the wine bar is a bit different than my local


But your right this forum should be like the mainstream media, just there to get one viewpoint across, heaven forbid people's opinions are heard.


Don't know about your local mate but I reckon that's a big thing about the way talk back radio, forums, and commercial media works. Somehow the idea of "the expert " has gone out the window . Now Everybody has "an opinion"

It doesn't seem to matter how ill informed that opinion is , how crazy , how not based in FACT that opinion is .......it's MY opinion. Somehow it's sacred and cannot be challenged.

Just look at the Global Warming debate. Experts, with years of study,experience,published papers,and respect find themselves arguing the toss with shock jocks, newspaper columnists, and guys who wrote a book a while ago about something or other.

Opinion is entertaining but it can also be damaging and hurtful.


Well blow me down Loggie, you have taken some advice and used the paragraph key Your post was legible and not only that I agree with you. I feel sick
d1
d1
WA
304 posts
d1 d1
WA, 304 posts
11 May 2012 8:10pm
dinsdale said...

d1 said...
[Didn't you recently paraphrase Hitler by talking about "a cancer in our country"?

No, I didn't!


Yes, my apologies, that was pweedas. You sourced that rightwing Koran-vilifying site, it has much less impact, I agree.
laceys lane
laceys lane
QLD
19804 posts
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11 May 2012 10:11pm
Mark _australia said...

dinsdale said...

log man said...
Yes Mark, but there was nothing there to start with. And there never will be. So it turns into a religious vilification....

Cor blimey!! That's a bit rich! You are definitely one of the biggest religious "vilifiers" on this site. You'll pour any unsubstantiated bile on Christianity, but get upset at anyone criticizing your current pet project - importing islam.




Agreed.
It is OK to rubbish Christianity and take the piss but not to state that many Muslims believe in certain things

Like I have said before, do an experiment. Go to a party and tell everyone you are Buddhist, Taoist or something. Then go to a party the week after and tell everyone you are a born again Christian. Watch the difference.
and no, I don't subscribe to any particular religion I just find it annoying that the 'inclusive' types here rubbish Christianity but if anyone rubbished Islam they must be racists.


phew, lucky you said your not a christian
d1
d1
WA
304 posts
d1 d1
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11 May 2012 8:45pm
Mark _australia said...


It is OK to rubbish Christianity and take the piss but not to state that many Muslims believe in certain things

Like I have said before, do an experiment. Go to a party and tell everyone you are Buddhist, Taoist or something. Then go to a party the week after and tell everyone you are a born again Christian. Watch the difference.
and no, I don't subscribe to any particular religion I just find it annoying that the 'inclusive' types here rubbish Christianity, but if anyone rubbishes Islam they are accused of being racist.


As this may be applicable to my viewpoints, let me explain:

I'm an atheist with very strong academic interest in religions. Despite being an atheist, I believe that religions are very useful for many people, and I support them for this reason. In my opinion, which I hope is relatively unbiased, Christianity and Islam are exceptionally similar. Their holy books even talk about the same personalities - Mary (called Miriam in the Koran), Jesus (yes, he's a prophet in the Koran), Abraham, etc... Their attributes of God are identical (omniscient, omnipresent, omnibenevolent, you know the spiel...).

In the past, the so-called "Dark Ages", Christianity was the "bad" religion - its Churches instituted numerous Crusades, wrote a book called "Malleus Maleficarum" that was used as a justification to torch numerous women, had the Inquisition, etc... At that time, Islam was much more sophisticated and progressive.

Today, the mainstream Christianity is fairly sophisticated and evolved, has some issues, but is working to resolve them. There are a few cults, but they are in the tiny minority. Islam today has branched into moderate (mainstream majority) and fundamentalist minority, which is serously bad. Unfortunately, this minority has been in the news lately, probably because it does make good news. Perhaps many people watch just news, and maybe that's why so many viewpoints on this forum tend to pigeonhole ALL muslims into the same fundamentalist slot.

This is wrong. Both religions are very similar and have had an equal share of good and bad points and good and bad "churches". I hope this explains why I sometimes post provocative comments about Christianity - it is purely to provide a comparative perspective.

And Dinsdale, it's not declarative vs narrative - I'll gladly continue this debate offline if you are genuinely interested.
laceys lane
laceys lane
QLD
19804 posts
QLD, 19804 posts
11 May 2012 11:07pm
log man said...

SP said...

log man said...

jbshack said...

Aussiex said...

If you don't like it don't read them. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and if it is truly wrong the moderators will sort it out.


I say this quote says it all for me.

I imagine a forum to be like a Pub. If you like a conversation join in. If you don't walk away but remember how you interact could determine the way your treated. Be it in the pub or on line

If don't want to inflame a situation stay away from it simple


Yeah I think if I was at a pub and heard some of the comments made hear I would probably leave the pub thinking, when did Pauline Hanson take over the lease?



Guess the wine bar is a bit different than my local


But your right this forum should be like the mainstream media, just there to get one viewpoint across, heaven forbid people's opinions are heard.


Don't know about your local mate but I reckon that's a big thing about the way talk back radio, forums, and commercial media works. Somehow the idea of "the expert " has gone out the window . Now Everybody has "an opinion"

It doesn't seem to matter how ill informed that opinion is , how crazy , how not based in FACT that opinion is .......it's MY opinion. Somehow it's sacred and cannot be challenged.

Just look at the Global Warming debate. Experts, with years of study,experience,published papers,and respect find themselves arguing the toss with shock jocks, newspaper columnists, and guys who wrote a book a while ago about something or other.

Opinion is entertaining but it can also be damaging and hurtful.





I don't never have any trouble in regulating my own conduct, but to keep other folks' straight is what bothers me. ~Josh Billings


elmo
elmo
WA
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11 May 2012 10:49pm
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
12 May 2012 12:56am
d1 said...

I'm an atheist with very strong academic interest in religions. Despite being an atheist, I believe that religions are very useful for many people, and I support them for this reason.

As in "Religion is the Opiate for the Masses".....???

In my opinion, which I hope is relatively unbiased, Christianity and Islam are exceptionally similar.

As is Judaism. Each faith is in the God of Abraham.

Their holy books even talk about the same personalities - Mary (called Miriam in the Koran), Jesus (yes, he's a prophet in the Koran), Abraham, etc... Their attributes of God are identical (omniscient, omnipresent, omnibenevolent, you know the spiel...).

Oh really! So who are you to trivialise "Their holy books" so?

In the past, the so-called "Dark Ages", Christianity was the "bad" religion - its Churches instituted numerous Crusades, wrote a book called "Malleus Maleficarum" that was used as a justification to torch numerous women, had the Inquisition, etc... At that time, Islam was much more sophisticated and progressive.

Listen up children. We are getting a couple of thousand years of history here in a couple of sentences from a pompous arsehole.

Today, the mainstream Christianity is fairly sophisticated and evolved, has some issues, but is working to resolve them. There are a few cults, but they are in the tiny minority. Islam today has branched into moderate (mainstream majority) and fundamentalist minority, which is serously bad. Unfortunately, this minority has been in the news lately, probably because it does make good news. Perhaps many people watch just news, and maybe that's why so many viewpoints on this forum tend to pigeonhole ALL muslims into the same fundamentalist slot.

Oh, so that is what is happening in the "Church of What's Happenin' Now"??


It is wrong. Both religions are very similar and have had an equal share of good and bad points and good and bad "churches". I hope this explains why I sometimes post provocative comments about Christianity - it is purely to provide a comparative perspective.

OK. Now that you have explained yourself, please enlighten us some more?

And Dinsdale, it's not declarative vs narrative - I'll gladly continue this debate offline if you are genuinely interested.

So is that to be a face to face in the pub or over a BBQ type thing, in a meeting hall or at the university lecture room??



Stitch
Stitch
WA
83 posts
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11 May 2012 11:56pm
Bwahaha - Cisco, I think you one of the most opinionated people here, but with your comments, its more a case of an empty can rattling the most!
d1
d1
WA
304 posts
d1 d1
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12 May 2012 7:59am
Cisco, here are your answers: irrelevant comparison, yes, ad hominem (means personal attack), grave ad hominem, irrelevant humour, irrelevant request. Last one, consider we might be sailing at the same spot.

You should consider a career in Federal politics - your style fits right in.

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