Select to expand quoteKamikuza said..hilly said..
However, if there was no vaccine the outcome would have been worse.
Show us the data you're basing that assumption on...?
He was clearly just fishing
Can't believe he got two bites on the one hook
Select to expand quoteKamikuza said..Macroscien said..
In simple language.This graph will tell us how many people that died from Covid have been vaccinated and how many hasn't.
No it doesn't 
dude if you can't even get that right and it's right there on the graph, ease up on insulting the intelligence of others.
It's the death RATE, not total numbers of. Yeesh.
That is the point I mentioned,
The graphs your presented is manipulated to mislead intentionally.
Show me the graph I did ask you.
You still don't get it...
You could use statistics to prove anything you like but this time is so obvious...
anyway your response only confirm your intelligence status,
It isn't even insult just stating the facts.
You can not read the graph presented and see the difference that one and graph I did ask you for.
Select to expand quoteKamikuza said..
No it doesn't dude if you can't even get that right ... It's the death RATE.....
....first I think you gotta split the numbers into a) died with and b) died from..
If the graphs are going to show the number of a) died with, then maybe you could add some other metrics. Perhaps do it in different colours and line types to make it look even more scientific.....
why not c) died within 28 days of having a vax shot or (in dotty purple line with maybe say grey histogram bars) why not d) died with but before 12am having not read anything from the Murdoch press that day.....
Then we could prove anything.
Edit : Sorry macro, I was typing before your response above...
Select to expand quotepsychojoe said..
Yeah I always trust anything Americans say. "The 737max is safe" "those crashes were pilot error" "the MCAS doesn't require training", not like Aussies, the wife wants to buy an Australian made mosquito device that services one acre, sounds like a sham, most of the problems in my life have been caused by Aussies, you can't trust them.
Enter FN to defend Boeing's safety record.
Hell no! Those idiots seem like many idiots I have worked with over the years.
Yeah, let's just cut this corner and see if we can save some money... what could go wrong. Plus we will do really minimal engineering to make it safe....
Makes me wonder if it was the engineers (doubtful), the sales people (maybe?) or the management (probably) that made these poor decisions.
Training wasn't the only problem on the 737 Max, it was the skimpy level of integration. Who designs something that has no decent level of redundancy, and then throws it into an existing design and doesn't highlight it?
Select to expand quotehilly said..
Can I eat liver to get buff??
If you inject the liver with HGH and other 'vitamins' before you eat it. Mind you it will still be "90% you and only 10% the additives" 
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..psychojoe said..
Yeah I always trust anything Americans say. "The 737max is safe" "those crashes were pilot error" "the MCAS doesn't require training", not like Aussies, the wife wants to buy an Australian made mosquito device that services one acre, sounds like a sham, most of the problems in my life have been caused by Aussies, you can't trust them.
Enter FN to defend Boeing's safety record.
Hell no! Those idiots seem like many idiots I have worked with over the years.
Yeah, let's just cut this corner and see if we can save some money... what could go wrong. Plus we will do really minimal engineering to make it safe....
Makes me wonder if it was the engineers (doubtful), the sales people (maybe?) or the management (probably) that made these poor decisions.
Training wasn't the only problem on the 737 Max, it was the skimpy level of integration. Who designs something that has no decent level of redundancy, and then throws it into an existing design and doesn't highlight it?
It was the management. Since the merger between Boeing and MacDonnell Douglas it became Boeing staff managed by the same dip****s that brought you the DC10, an aircraft I've only heard of because so many of them crashed.
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..
Hell no! Those idiots seem like many idiots I have worked with over the years.
Yeah, let's just cut this corner and see if we can save some money... what could go wrong. Plus we will do really minimal engineering to make it safe....
Makes me wonder if it was the engineers (doubtful), the sales people (maybe?) or the management (probably) that made these poor decisions.
Training wasn't the only problem on the ????????, it was the skimpy level of integration. Who designs something that has no decent level of redundancy, and then throws it into an existing design and doesn't highlight it?
Sorry, FN .
You referring to the 737 Max or the CV19 Vax there ?
'cause it sounds like your opinion has finally aligned with what so many others on here are saying...
Select to expand quotemyscreenname said..
The COVID lab leak theory is the idea that the COVID-19 virus, which caused a global pandemic, may have accidentally escaped from a laboratory where it was being studied. However, after thorough investigations and analysis, scientists and experts have concluded that this theory is not supported by the evidence.
One reason the COVID lab leak theory is not likely is that the virus is very similar to other viruses that have been found in bats, which are known to carry many different types of viruses. The COVID-19 virus has a lot of genetic similarities to viruses that have been found in bats, and it is thought that the virus may have jumped from bats to humans through another animal, such as a pangolin.
Another reason the COVID lab leak theory is not supported is that the virus was first identified in Wuhan, China, which is a city with a large market where live animals are sold. This market is a known place where viruses can be transmitted from animals to humans, and it is more likely that the virus started there rather than in a laboratory.
Overall, while the COVID lab leak theory may have seemed like a possibility at first, scientists and experts have carefully studied the evidence and have determined that it is not supported by the facts. The most likely explanation for the origins of the COVID-19 virus is that it jumped from bats to humans through another animal, possibly at the market in Wuhan.
Well if an AI says it, it must be true.
So did Peter Daszack, and he's so very trustworthy.
Select to expand quoteCarantoc said..
'cause it sounds like your opinion has finally aligned with what so many others on here are saying...
I've noticed that too. Shocked! I'm shocked, I tell you.
Select to expand quoteMacroscien said..
That is the point I mentioned,
The graphs your presented is manipulated to mislead intentionally.
Show me the graph I did ask you.
You still don't get it...
You could use statistics to prove anything you like but this time is so obvious...
anyway your response only confirm your intelligence status,
It isn't even insult just stating the facts.
You can not read the graph presented and see the difference that one and graph I did ask you for.
No. It's not.
Show you the graph you asked for? Why? That's not the point that I responded to and not the point I'm making.
Select to expand quoteCarantoc said..Kamikuza said..
No it doesn't dude if you can't even get that right ... It's the death RATE.....
....first I think you gotta split the numbers into a) died with and b) died from..
If the graphs are going to show the number of a) died with, then maybe you could add some other metrics. Perhaps do it in different colours and line types to make it look even more scientific.....
why not c) died within 28 days of having a vax shot or (in dotty purple line with maybe say grey histogram bars) why not d) died with but before 12am having not read anything from the Murdoch press that day.....
Then we could prove anything.
Edit : Sorry macro, I was typing before your response above...
Thanks Carantoc
If that was be a chance a topic about money investment
and the Komic guy with qualification of windows cleaner at busy intersection
give us unqualified advice how and where to invest money
you could sue him for damages
and Kamizuza spend rest of his life in jail.
Now that clown give you health advice
and some people may take him seriously.
Maybe health is less previous then money
for some
or maybe clown don't even realize that just spread miss information
this time could be harmful ...
or maybe he is lacking completely education
to understand
PS. We all may have some doubts or questions
but presenting something like : "scientific facts or study"
intended to mislead that is another story.
Select to expand quoteKamikuza said..
I've noticed that too. Shocked! I'm shocked, I tell you.
Maybe FN is so sick with the CV, he has lost all his normal faculties and has momentarily realized that if you are not a Stepford Wife then you don't have to be an Anarchist by default.
Maybe he has realized people can exist in society on scale between the two.
Select to expand quoteSelect to expand quoteKamikuza said..Macroscien said..
That is the point I mentioned,
The graphs your presented is manipulated to mislead intentionally.
Show me the graph I did ask you.
You still don't get it...
You could use statistics to prove anything you like but this time is so obvious...
anyway your response only confirm your intelligence status,
It isn't even insult just stating the facts.
You can not read the graph presented and see the difference that one and graph I did ask you for.
No. It's not.
Show you the graph you asked for? Why? That's not the point that I responded to and not the point I'm making.
Why?
So tell me what do you read from your graph and I will tell you why you are wrong !
Select to expand quoteMacroscien said..
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and the Komic guy with qualification of windows cleaner at busy intersection give us unqualified advice how and where to invest money you could sue him for damages ....
Sounds so ridiculous it is beyond satire, doesn't it Macro.
Financial advice from someone so obviously unqualified, inexperienced and plain bizarre..... who would be dumb enough to do that an why on earth should you be able to sue in such circumstances ?
www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-28/customers-of-failed-crypto-company-ftx-file-class-action/101812716
Select to expand quoteCarantoc said..
....first I think you gotta split the numbers into a) died with and b) died from..
If the graphs are going to show the number of a) died with, then maybe you could add some other metrics. Perhaps do it in different colours and line types to make it look even more scientific.....
why not c) died within 28 days of having a vax shot or (in dotty purple line with maybe say grey histogram bars) why not d) died with but before 12am having not read anything from the Murdoch press that day.....
Then we could prove anything.
Edit : Sorry macro, I was typing before your response above...
Ohh, wouldn't that be nice if we could have that data...!
I can't find anything to indicate how Israel is determining that, assuming it's something other than leading cause on the death certificate... AFAIK the UK's 28 days thing isn't the standard.
Regardless, they're comparing the death rate with the same criteria of "dead" and "COVID" between cohorts so it's an internally consistent comparison.
Select to expand quoteCarantoc said..Kamikuza said..
I've noticed that too. Shocked! I'm shocked, I tell you.
Maybe FN is so sick with the CV, he has lost all his normal faculties and has momentarily realized that if you are not a Stepford Wife then you don't have to be an Anarchist by default.
Maybe he has realized people can exist in society on scale between the two.
Not a binary? Shocking!
Select to expand quoteMacroscien said..Carantoc said..Kamikuza said..
No it doesn't dude if you can't even get that right ... It's the death RATE.....
....first I think you gotta split the numbers into a) died with and b) died from..
If the graphs are going to show the number of a) died with, then maybe you could add some other metrics. Perhaps do it in different colours and line types to make it look even more scientific.....
why not c) died within 28 days of having a vax shot or (in dotty purple line with maybe say grey histogram bars) why not d) died with but before 12am having not read anything from the Murdoch press that day.....
Then we could prove anything.
Edit : Sorry macro, I was typing before your response above...
Thanks Carantoc
If that was be a chance a topic about money investment
and the Komic guy with qualification of windows cleaner at busy intersection
give us unqualified advice how and where to invest money
you could sue him for damages
and Kamizuza spend rest of his life in jail.
Now that clown give you health advice
and some people may take him seriously.
Maybe health is less previous then money
for some
or maybe clown don't even realize that just spread miss information
this time could be harmful ...
or maybe he is lacking completely education
to understand
PS. We all may have some doubts or questions
but presenting something like : "scientific facts or study"
intended to mislead that is another story.
LOL
You're suggesting that data from Israeli Ministry of Health is misinformation? Bold move Cotton.
Select to expand quoteMacroscien said..
Why?
So tell me what do you read from your graph and I will tell you why you are wrong !
The 7-day moving average death rate of those fully vaccinated with a booster shot is higher than that of those fully vaccinated, or the unvaccinated over a three-month period.
Select to expand quoteKamikuza said..Macroscien said..
Why?
So tell me what do you read from your graph and I will tell you why you are wrong !
The 7-day moving average death rate of those fully vaccinated with a booster shot is higher than that of those fully vaccinated, or the unvaccinated over a three-month period.
Yep
that is what I have been expected
and trying to warn you all !!
Possibly most of audience here follow that same pattern.
That's right.
Because graph was prepared to make you think so.
Yep. I promised myself not to use word considered as offensive
So I will ask you politely D888mb F888ck to
show me now graph I did ask you for.
Then I can explain why you and others are misled
by graph you presented
if you don't know this already.
Graph I want to see from the same Isreali sources
on same sample group
will show us:
How many people in this Israel Country
who died on / due to Covid:
a) have been vaccinated
b) had booster shot
c) haven't get any vaxx at all
Graph ( or table ) may looks like that:
a) 100
b) 20
c) 5,000
( this is fictional data but give you an idea where I am going and why you have been misled)
so give me that graph and we could analyze it and talk again !
Select to expand quoteMacroscien said..Kamikuza said..Macroscien said..
Why?
So tell me what do you read from your graph and I will tell you why you are wrong !
The 7-day moving average death rate of those fully vaccinated with a booster shot is higher than that of those fully vaccinated, or the unvaccinated over a three-month period.
Yep
that is what I have been expected
and trying to warn you all !!
Possibly most of audience here follow that same pattern.
That's right.
Because graph was prepared to make you think so.
Yep. I promised myself not to use word considered as offensive
So I will ask you politely D888mb F888ck to
show me now graph I did ask you for.
That I can explain why you and others are misled
by graph you presented
if you don't know this already.
Graph I want to see from the same Isreali sources
on same sample group
will show us:
How many people in this Israel Country
who died on / due to Covid:
a) have been vaccinated
b) had booster shot
c) haven't get any vaxx at all
Graph ( or table ) may looks like that:
a) 100
b) 20
c) 5,000
( this is fictional data but give you an idea where I am going and why you have been misled)
so give me that graph and we could analyze it and talk again !
You want me to provide another graph about something unrelated to the point I've responded to, to show me how I am wrong about the graph that I actually posted about the specific point it's relevant to....?
Why don't you do that, because I'm not interested in that at all.
Doesn't matter how many people have been vaccinated etc in the population because this is a RATE (ie change over time) of death AMONGST those three groups, not total numbers of the population.
I'm not sure what point you think you're making, but it seems to be entirely unrelated to the one under discussion.
If you're thinking of comparing absolute numbers, then of course the absolute number of deaths amongst the group who are boosted and fully vaccinated will be much lower because the number of people in that data set is much lower. What we are interested in is the risk to individuals moving from group to group.
Select to expand quoteKamikuza said..Macroscien said..Kamikuza said..Macroscien said..
Why?
So tell me what do you read from your graph and I will tell you why you are wrong !
The 7-day moving average death rate of those fully vaccinated with a booster shot is higher than that of those fully vaccinated, or the unvaccinated over a three-month period.
Yep
that is what I have been expected
and trying to warn you all !!
Possibly most of audience here follow that same pattern.
That's right.
Because graph was prepared to make you think so.
Yep. I promised myself not to use word considered as offensive
So I will ask you politely D888mb F888ck to
show me now graph I did ask you for.
That I can explain why you and others are misled
by graph you presented
if you don't know this already.
Graph I want to see from the same Isreali sources
on same sample group
will show us:
How many people in this Israel Country
who died on / due to Covid:
a) have been vaccinated
b) had booster shot
c) haven't get any vaxx at all
Graph ( or table ) may looks like that:
a) 100
b) 20
c) 5,000
( this is fictional data but give you an idea where I am going and why you have been misled)
so give me that graph and we could analyze it and talk again !
You want me to provide another graph about something unrelated to the point I've responded to, to show me how I am wrong about the graph that I actually posted about the specific point it's relevant to....?
Why don't you do that, because I'm not interested in that at all.
Doesn't matter how many people have been vaccinated etc in the population because this is a RATE (ie change over time) of death AMONGST those three groups, not total numbers of the population.
I'm not sure what point you think you're making, but it seems to be entirely unrelated to the one under discussion.
If you're thinking of comparing absolute numbers, then of course the absolute number of deaths amongst the group who are boosted and fully vaccinated will be much lower because the number of people in that data set is much lower. What we are interested in is the risk to individuals moving from group to group.
you do not provide because you are not interested in that !!
but you are drawing conclusion that are completely false !!
Lets be fair. Most of audience, lovely water sport enthusiasts,
here are experts
in their own fields,
like
grass mowing , firefighting , engineering , accounting etc.
but YOU
plain block of wood
suggest them something completely unproven
that may effect their future health permanently.
To TAKE it
or NOT TO TAKE it.
Yep. everyone have own rights to take decision
but it should not be based on manipulated data.
They deserve REAL FACTS
FACTS I DID ASK YOU TO PROVIDE AND YOU DECLINED !
IT IS NOT UP TO YOU TO DECIDE IF THOSE FACTS ARE RELATIVE TO THE TOPIC OR NOT.
So give me that data
otherwise:
1> Larry will shut to thread again because D*** F888 like you spread miss info
2>One of the readers here that did trust you and suffer later, kick your ass
3> I will give up and let you all die 
"But then, in 2021, the stats people expected went off the rails. The CEO of the OneAmerica insurance company publicly disclosed that during the third and fourth quarters of 2021, death in people of working age (18-64) was 40% higher than it was before the pandemic. Significantly, the majority of the deaths were not attributed to COVID. Confirm: delivr.com/ 2fnf9
A 40% increase in deaths is literally earth-shaking, and not only for the devastated families and communities that directly experience the deaths. Even a 10% increase in excess deaths would have been a 1-in-200-year event. But this was 40%. And therein lies a story-a story that starts with obvious questions: What has caused this historic spike in deaths among younger people? What has caused the shift from old people, who are expected to die, to younger people, who are expected to keep living? It isn't COVID, of course, because we know that COVID is not a significant cause of death in young people."
- "Cause Unknown": The Epidemic of Sudden Deaths in 2021 & 2022 (Children's Health Defense) by Ed Dowd
amzn.asia/ad8D1TE
Select to expand quoteKamikuza said..
Yep
Here is something that should give our audience
clue
about credibility
certain people like you
I hope that most SBreezers here are
laughing too
reading you
www.forbes.com/sites/sofialottopersio/2021/11/04/no-one-died-from-radiation-at-****ushima-iaea-boss-statement-met-with-laughter-at-cop26/?sh=6569e15e7a47
that is example how data could be manipulated,
to present ****ushima in better light to the public
by their government.
Why even people call ****usima disaster since nobody died...?
Select to expand quotepsychojoe said..FormulaNova said..psychojoe said..
Yeah I always trust anything Americans say. "The 737max is safe" "those crashes were pilot error" "the MCAS doesn't require training", not like Aussies, the wife wants to buy an Australian made mosquito device that services one acre, sounds like a sham, most of the problems in my life have been caused by Aussies, you can't trust them.
Enter FN to defend Boeing's safety record.
Hell no! Those idiots seem like many idiots I have worked with over the years.
Yeah, let's just cut this corner and see if we can save some money... what could go wrong. Plus we will do really minimal engineering to make it safe....
Makes me wonder if it was the engineers (doubtful), the sales people (maybe?) or the management (probably) that made these poor decisions.
Training wasn't the only problem on the 737 Max, it was the skimpy level of integration. Who designs something that has no decent level of redundancy, and then throws it into an existing design and doesn't highlight it?
It was the management. Since the merger between Boeing and MacDonnell Douglas it became Boeing staff managed by the same dip****s that brought you the DC10, an aircraft I've only heard of because so many of them crashed.
Yep, that's what I would have thought. Sure, they were behind the 8-ball and wanted to compete with a cheaper plane to operate, but that's when greed got in the way.
That's what I understand. Human nature. In this case the management could see a market segment that Airbus was taking and the customers wanted more fuel efficient (smaller) aircraft instead of larger fuel efficient planes. They could have done it properly but had to get certification but instead figured they would save money by trying to slide it in under an existing certification.'
I wonder how long it will take before people will board those planes with no fear and before the new names make people forget the past? It would make sense to scrap the plane and start fresh, if even to convince passengers that they are safer.
Select to expand quoteMacroscien said..
you do not provide because you are not interested in that !!
but you are drawing conclusion that are completely false !!
Lets be fair. Most of audience, lovely water sport enthusiasts,
here are experts
in their own fields,
like
grass mowing , firefighting , engineering , accounting etc.
but YOU
plain block of wood
suggest them something completely unproven
that may effect their future health permanently.
To TAKE it
or NOT TO TAKE it.
Yep. everyone have own rights to take decision
but it should not be based on manipulated data.
They deserve REAL FACTS
FACTS I DID ASK YOU TO PROVIDE AND YOU DECLINED !
IT IS NOT UP TO YOU TO DECIDE IF THOSE FACTS ARE RELATIVE TO THE TOPIC OR NOT.
So give me that data
otherwise:
1> Larry will shut to thread again because D*** F888 like you spread miss info
2>One of the readers here that did trust you and suffer later, kick your ass
3> I will give up and let you all die
Correct. You provide the data you want everyone to see.
What facts are you interested in? You've yet to name them -- better you present that data yourself, to avoid any misunderstanding.
Show where the data is manipulated or unproven? Here's the source: datadashboard.health.gov.il/COVID-19/general
If you could spell "misinformation" correctly I might be more bothered that you can't understand the graph you're criticizing
Select to expand quotehilly said..
Oh my god. Laurie shut this crap down please.
You mean Larry
Select to expand quoteMacroscien said..
Yep
Here is something that should give our audience
clue
about credibility
certain people like you
I hope that most SBreezers here are
laughing too
reading you
www.forbes.com/sites/sofialottopersio/2021/11/04/no-one-died-from-radiation-at-****ushima-iaea-boss-statement-met-with-laughter-at-cop26/?sh=6569e15e7a47
that is example how data could be manipulated,
to present ****ushima in better light to the public
by their government.
Why even people call ****usima disaster since nobody died...?
Oh excellent thanks for the soft ball.
Those deaths are almost all from people evacuating, mostly elderly people. Nobody died when the reactor went up, and IIRC only a couple of people a single person died many years later of exposure working on the site during clean-up.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/****ushima_Daiichi_nuclear_disaster_casualties
www.npr.org/2018/09/05/644933882/japanese-government-acknowledges-first-****ushima-radiation-death
So yeah, you're manipulating that data and anyone laughing is a plank of wood.
Select to expand quoteKamikuza said..Macroscien said..
you do not provide because you are not interested in that !!
but you are drawing conclusion that are completely false !!
Lets be fair. Most of audience, lovely water sport enthusiasts,
here are experts
in their own fields,
like
grass mowing , firefighting , engineering , accounting etc.
but YOU
plain block of wood
suggest them something completely unproven
that may effect their future health permanently.
To TAKE it
or NOT TO TAKE it.
Yep. everyone have own rights to take decision
but it should not be based on manipulated data.
They deserve REAL FACTS
FACTS I DID ASK YOU TO PROVIDE AND YOU DECLINED !
IT IS NOT UP TO YOU TO DECIDE IF THOSE FACTS ARE RELATIVE TO THE TOPIC OR NOT.
So give me that data
otherwise:
1> Larry will shut to thread again because D*** F888 like you spread miss info
2>One of the readers here that did trust you and suffer later, kick your ass
3> I will give up and let you all die
Correct. You provide the data you want everyone to see.
What facts are you interested in? You've yet to name them -- better you present that data yourself, to avoid any misunderstanding.
Show where the data is manipulated or unproven? Here's the source: datadashboard.health.gov.il/COVID-19/general
If you could spell "misinformation" correctly I might be more bothered that you can't understand the graph you're criticizing
You are lucky that we
occupied completely different
steps on evolutionary ladder.
With your Iq300 further exchange is futile.
Lets evolution do the job and eliminate week or defected individuals.
Take the jab or not, but at least keep that info to yourself.
PS. Once again, somebody pressed to corner brings grammar and punctuation as last resort in discussion.
I hope that most of readers has some impression as to monkey business here:
hopefully he is not a foreign agent with intention to hurt just a D888mb f888 monkey
Select to expand quoteMacroscien said..
You are lucky that we
occupied completely different
steps on evolutionary ladder. With your Iq300 further exchange is futile.
Lets evolution do the job and eliminate week or defected individuals.Take the jab or not, but at least keep that info to yourself. PS. Once again, somebody pressed to corner brings grammar and punctuation as last resort in discussion.
I hope that most of readers has some impression as to monkey bisness here:either it is
Mate, I'm still waiting for you to state what facts you think are going to show me how I'm reading that graph wrong: I told you what I read, then you demanded I find something else to look at 
I'm more than happy to have that conversation (that should be obvious) but you haven't fronted up with the goods.
If you're going to insist on calling someone dumb, you could at least check your spelling... but hey that's your bisness I guess.
