How did we get here

Why do you keep starting these threads?


You'll be joining remery in the sin bin soon.

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hilly said..
Not sure how we have move so far away from this.

I'm still there. haven't moved at all, don't count me in amongst your "we".
Not that I ride a motor bike.

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hilly said..
Not sure how we have move so far away from this.

I am not sure I really understand hilly's perspective on this.

The Easy Rider characters, the Doors as artists and Jim Morrison's own beliefs were very anti-establishment, pro-small government with limited (or zero) interference in personal choice and societal culture. It was about rebelling against the man to be free of control by the authorities, importantly, by dropping out or walking away - rather than by marching through the CBD of the city that pays for your lifestyle whilst waving placards about and screaming about anything and everything that doesn't actually affect you.

If I had to pick political leaders today who embodied that rage against the machine by walking away, the promotion of free speech and free expression by saying anything without fear and the distain for conventional politics by doing the opposite, then I'd suggest that would be the very political leader whom hilly appears to view as the actual antithesis to rejection of conventionality.

I'd assume we are moving back to "this", not away from it. the question would make far more sense posing why the Cliff Richard Summer Holiday ('conformist') generation are turning away from the uniparty.

hilly, I hate to say it but...... please explain.

As others have mentioned the uni parties I attended 20 years after this film was made were pretty wild. I don't think they've changed too much. Still lots of pent up sexual tension, cheap alcohol, drugs and good music.

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Gorgo said..
The story line of Easy Rider is basically some self-indulgent lefties cruising around doing some morally dubious stuff until the right wing red necks kill them. Sounds very contemporary.

Been so long since I watched it, I forgot the story line... Watching it on Netflix now.

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Gorgo said..
The story line of Easy Rider is basically some self-indulgent lefties cruising around doing some morally dubious stuff until the right wing red necks kill them. Sounds very contemporary.

Ignorant answer

Wyatt (Peter Fonda) and Billy (Dennis Hopper), two Harley-riding hippies, complete a drug deal in Southern California and decide to travel cross-country in search of spiritual truth. On their journey, they experience bigotry and hatred from the inhabitants of small-town America and also meet with other travelers seeking alternative lifestyles. After a terrifying drug experience in New Orleans, the two travelers wonder if they will ever find a way to live peacefully in America.

Relevant today.

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hilly said..

Carantoc said..

hilly said..
Not sure how we have move so far away from this.

I am not sure I really understand hilly's perspective on this.

The Easy Rider characters, the Doors as artists and Jim Morrison's own beliefs were very anti-establishment, pro-small government with limited (or zero) interference in personal choice and societal culture. It was about rebelling against the man to be free of control by the authorities, importantly, by dropping out or walking away - rather than by marching through the CBD of the city that pays for your lifestyle whilst waving placards about and screaming about anything and everything that doesn't actually affect you.

If I had to pick political leaders today who embodied that rage against the machine by walking away, the promotion of free speech and free expression by saying anything without fear and the distain for conventional politics by doing the opposite, then I'd suggest that would be the very political leader whom hilly appears to view as the actual antithesis to rejection of conventionality.

I'd assume we are moving back to "this", not away from it. the question would make far more sense posing why the Cliff Richard Summer Holiday ('conformist') generation are turning away from the uniparty.

hilly, I hate to say it but...... please explain.

I just do not get the negative mindset. Why worry about stuff you can't change. Just go for a surf, fish, foil, wind whatever or mtb/motorbike ride. Life is short enjoy it

Yes life is short so enjoy it,

Just dont forget what we have was not without cost. Many fought and died and sacrificed much to ensure a free and prosperous Australia. So I think we have some responsibility to maintain and respect what was given us and also ensure those after us have it as good or better. Its not just about us.

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Carantoc said..
Long time since I watched it.

How's the sound track MSN ?

Would you rate it better than say... Searching for Sugarman ?

Do you think the music of the Easy Rider generation will have the same life-changing impact that Rodriguez had on you all those years ago ?

Soundtrack is great. I grew up in same era as Albo, in the post punk era, I enjoyed listening to Joy Division, Gun Club, Birthday Party Saints, The Cure hahaha. I don't listen to that stuff so much any more: find it didn't age that well for me. More of a nostalgic vibe.

But I really enjoyed the Easy Rider soundtrack, the movie itself, was ok, but struck me as dated. I watch a lot of film.

Always interesting seeing something that you loved decades later to see if it still stacks up.

Searching for Sugarman is like a Sth African/Seabreeze niche thing.

I define Rodriguez and Paul Kelly as whinge rock - always complaining.

Good to listen to if you lose a job, a girlfriend, or if your car breaks down somewhere far away.

Hilly, are you just happy 24/7? If you are never sad, how do you really know if you are happy?

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Subsonic said..
Why do you keep starting these threads?


You'll be joining remery in the sin bin soon.

Interested in their point of view. Why be so grumpy when we live in an amazing time. Low crime, prosperous and lots of recreation time. But they are not happy and think someone is out to get them. I find the rise of Trumpism in Australia scary. The fishnchip poli is dangerous.

It sounds like underneath the happy foiling facade your the unhappy one, scared of Trumpism and a "dangerous" fishnchip poli.
Were you frightened by a ranga as a kid, Chucky maybe, they are not out to get you

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hilly said..
Dementia Don worries me ....

I just do not get the negative mindset. Why worry about stuff you can't change. Just go for a surf, fish, foil, wind whatever or mtb/motorbike ride, post a couple of things on Seabreeze.com,au. Life is short enjoy it

From an American perspective. Probably a net positive to anyone not American:

The Silent Shift: Why Current Trade Policy Might Be Costing Us More Than We Realize

While much of the political conversation focuses on immediate headlines, a more profound shift is happening beneath the surface of the global economy. The aggressive use of tariffs, trade wars, and foreign policy maneuvers (such as freezing aid or threatening sanctions) is triggering a quiet "de-risking" from the U.S. dollar that could have long-term consequences for American households.

The Move Away from the Dollar
For decades, the U.S. dollar and the SWIFT payment network have been the undisputed backbone of global trade. However, recent volatility is pushing other nations to seek alternatives:
* Financial De-risking: Policy uncertainty surrounding U.S. assets, like Treasury bonds, is causing foreign central banks to diversify their reserves.
* The Rise of Alternative Systems: From the BRICS bloc to independent regional networks to Canada and Europe, countries are actively developing payment systems that bypass the dollar to insulate themselves from U.S. economic leverage.
* Retaliatory Cycles: As the U.S. imposes tariffs, trading partners often respond by shifting their supply chains and currency preferences away from American markets entirely.

The Cost to U.S. Citizens
This isn't just a matter of high-level diplomacy; it has a direct "trickle-down" effect on the average American's standard of living:
* Inflationary Pressure: Tariffs are essentially taxes paid by U.S. importers. These costs are almost inevitably passed on to consumers, leading to higher prices for everyday goods and reduced choice in the marketplace.
* Threats to Dollar Dominance: If the dollar loses its status as the world's primary reserve currency, the U.S. loses its ability to easily finance national debt. This could lead to significantly higher interest rates for mortgages, car loans, and business investments.
* Export Stagnation: When other countries hit back with retaliatory tariffs, American manufacturers and farmers find their products priced out of foreign markets, stifling domestic growth.

The Bottom Line
The overarching effect of these policies is a potential reduction in U.S. economic influence. While framed as a method to protect domestic interests, the resulting instability and loss of dollar-centrality may ultimately lead to a more volatile and expensive reality for American consumers.

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cammd said..
The answer to the question posed by hilly is.

We voted for it.

Not yet. Next election and we get

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cammd said..
If we are not here yet where are we

On the way

Because there are groups who are trying to professionalise Outrage, link legitimate concerns with a targeted minority, keep repeating their attempts to gaslight until people accept it as a legitimate alternative.

Maybe we got here, ("here" being "the rise of the right" if I understand what this thread is about, although I am not sure I do), because of groups such as Getup who have been are trying to professionalise Outrage, link legitimate concerns with a targeted minority, keep repeating their attempts to gaslight until people accept it as a legitimate alternative ?



Oh yeah, also on a side note (other than the fact the image in the funny images thread is neither funny nor an image), are the Romans not mentioned in the Bible ? I think there is an entire book related to them, even named after them in the New Testament. Would you not define Romans and people native to southern Europe as 'white' ?

What about Corinthians and people from around Greece ? What about the Philistines ? or barbarians ? would they not have included people from northern and central European areas ?

And what about Lot's wife who was turned to pillar of salt. Would a salt pillar person not be white, or was it some sort of new-age hippie pink salt ? Is a pink person not classified as 'white' ?