moon waxing said...

Totally agree with getfunky. Why do people have to drive around in massive inefficient lumps of mental not just the off road vehicles also the Commodore and Falcon pieces of sh!t with 3.0 and 4.0 litre engines.

In Europe a 2.0 car is considered a large engine. They still manage to tow caravans or sales persons spend all day out on the road.

Sure increased oil prices will affect everyone even if you don’t own a motor vehicle but for those that do own one some tough decisions concerning the fuel guzzling, polluting, pride and joys will have to be made.

I drive a 4L V8 and get 9L/100Km. Car is worth about $10,000. Would I save money by buying a $40,000 hybrid?

Also the higher fuel prices have nil effect on how much I buy. I have to drive to work each day. I usually windsurf about 2L of fuel return journey, worth it.

KRudd can do nothing. We live in a free/global economy. The government does not own the oil (unless you're talking about the saudi govt)

getfunky said...
Here is a iron clad garauntee for ya.. 20-30 years from NOW they same folks that are driving the guzzlers today will look back and not believe their own selfish/foolish actions (we ALL will be amazed at all of our behaviour for that matter).

Yeah, but I'm not going to cough up $20,000k + interest + depreciation etc. just to cut my fuel bills in half. Doesn't make economic sense you see. Same reason I keep repairing my car instead of buying a new one.

When my car eventually dies in 5 years for sure I'll be looking at somethinig economical. Until then I'll be saving the planet by reducing the stockpile of carbon producing fuels as quickly as possible.

a mate has come back from Oman where he drive's his hummer and pays 40c a litre.



i think the government should cut sales tax and provide insentives on other engine types.

www.hydrogencarsnow.com/

Mobydisc said...

If the current Labor government was serious about reducing carbon emissions, they would do one of three things. Either execute half the Australian population or create a huge economic depression or put more into subsidising individual's attempts to reduce their energy consumption or make use of alternate energy sources.

I believe they are doing the second.

having read the replies and responses on this forum, let me please say, you are all just pissing into the wind (a thirty knot headwind), what is the real problem... who are the real culprits, all this argument is just further distraction from the truth, why are prices set 'globally', and by globally we mean western, or 'coalition of the willing' (perhaps) countries, what exactly do these exessive fuel exices pay for..? why is our country run as if it were a corporation...? and once you understand and accept that it is, how come it is not us the people who are-and should be- the share holders, but a bunch of other corporations, whom most definately have the controlling interest... dare we say, it is time for a revolt...? dare we say it is long, long overdue...

evlPanda said...

teabagg said...

having read the replies and responses on this forum, let me please say, you are all just pissing into the wind (a thirty knot headwind),

Gee, thanks.

what is the real problem... who are the real culprits, all this argument is just further distraction from the truth, why are prices set 'globally', and by globally we mean western, or 'coalition of the willing' (perhaps) countries, what exactly do these exessive fuel exices pay for..?

We set the prices. 'We' as in the global market.

You see if you had the money, and somewhere to store it, you could set yourself up to trade crude oil. The more demand or speculation grows, the higher prices go.

why is our country run as if it were a corporation...?

Because that is a responsible way to do it. Please suggest another way.

and once you understand and accept that it is, how come it is not us the people who are-and should be- the share holders, but a bunch of other corporations, whom most definately have the controlling interest...

You too can be a share holder: www.asx.com.au. I can't think of an oil company you, yes you, can't buy a share in. Perhaps some Saudi ones.

You see you actually have to go and buy them yourself. Nobody is going to just give them to you. They've worked hard for them.

They have the controlling interest because they searched for, found, developed and now produce the oil. It is theirs. It's that simple.

dare we say, it is time for a revolt...? dare we say it is long, long overdue...

You just want a revolution. Like most revolutionaries you have no plans for after the revolution.

Besides, things are really, really good. Perhaps you're a bit spoilt special?

EvlPands for PM then?

evlPanda said...

getfunky said...
Here is a iron clad garauntee for ya.. 20-30 years from NOW they same folks that are driving the guzzlers today will look back and not believe their own selfish/foolish actions (we ALL will be amazed at all of our behaviour for that matter).

Yeah, but I'm not going to cough up $20,000k + interest + depreciation etc. just to cut my fuel bills in half. Doesn't make economic sense you see. Same reason I keep repairing my car instead of buying a new one.

When my car eventually dies in 5 years for sure I'll be looking at somethinig economical. Until then I'll be saving the planet by reducing the stockpile of carbon producing fuels as quickly as possible.

My badly expressed point was more about the fact that fuel (at ANY cost) is a diminishing resource. In the near future we will flip out thinking about the ways that we threw the stuff down the drain in these times right now... I understand not having a lot of $$$ to choose a car but ultimately you went lookin for a big engine vehicle at the time right? Next time look at a 4 or 6 cyl maybe?

Now don't get me started on fkn Humvee drivers!!!!

At 40c a litre driving a Humvee is STILL an irresposible and selfish act. Being cheaper does not mean the fuel magically replaces itself.. Quite the opposite it will be wasted even more quickly. The only hope we really have to preserve any fuel for the NECCESSITIES in the future is to price it high (as any limited resource like gold etc would be) so that by default it is used wisely and more conservatively.. Quite honestly I am almost welcoming the rise (yeh I am hurting financially out of it too but thinking about a postie bike and more cycling) because it may just start to wake some folks up.

Fkn Humvee is an advertisement of selfish stupidity... [}:)]


The reality of Peak Oil is that every aspect of life is about to change and many of our wasteful practises will have to stop.. ie As many of the mining folks will know working in northern areas means buying sky-high exxy foods that may have been grown in Carnarvon, transported by road to Perth, then transported again by road back up north!!! That is just shear stupidity and can't continue!!!

You better get used to less availability of foreign and non-local produce too. A mango from Qld in Perth is a big trip (mmm love mangoes) and eventually a lesser quality more local alternative will have to be chosen instead from simple economic reality.

I feel sorry for the truckies etc out there at the mo, but the tide has changed and will never be returning to what we had (and wasted).

http://www.motorauthority.com/cars/volkswagen/vw-boss-confirms-1-liter-car-for-2010

pics:
www.inhabitat.com/2008/05/27/transportation-tuesday-vws-235mpg-concept-coming-soon/

does anyone have any experience with Hydro run cars..

I came across this ..Looks like a scam... Yo Funky whats the story with this caper? You know everything....


runyourcarwithwater.com

even if the crazy science of abiotic oil becomes accepted as the truth it most certainly is, we would not be able to use this limitless supply in the same way as we are used to using it now... a jumbo jet flying at alltitude, burns more oxygen in one hour, than all its passengers would breathe in a twenty four hour period (i've read some studies saying a week). unburnt hydrocarbons in the atmosphere do more to weaken the immune systems of all living things and contribute to all cancers, than any other substance, barring possibly pcb and radioactive fallouts. there is more oil in the gulf of mexico and the timor sea than the banker controlled media would let you even imagine, the wars in the middle east are more for territory relating to biblical prophecy, than they are for percieved oil rights or even weapons of mass destruction, everything else, including this financial enslavement (and unfortunately, even sailing) is but a distraction...

teabagg said...

even if the crazy science of abiotic oil becomes accepted as the truth it most certainly is, we would not be able to use this limitless supply in the same way as we are used to using it now... a jumbo jet flying at alltitude, burns more oxygen in one hour, than all its passengers would breathe in a twenty four hour period (i've read some studies saying a week). unburnt hydrocarbons in the atmosphere do more to weaken the immune systems of all living things and contribute to all cancers, than any other substance, barring possibly pcb and radioactive fallouts. there is more oil in the gulf of mexico and the timor sea than the banker controlled media would let you even imagine, the wars in the middle east are more for territory relating to biblical prophecy, than they are for percieved oil rights or even weapons of mass destruction, everything else, including this financial enslavement (and unfortunately, even sailing) is but a distraction...

Bloody hell.

getfunky said...

evlPanda said...

getfunky said...
Here is a iron clad garauntee for ya.. 20-30 years from NOW they same folks that are driving the guzzlers today will look back and not believe their own selfish/foolish actions (we ALL will be amazed at all of our behaviour for that matter).

Yeah, but I'm not going to cough up $20,000k + interest + depreciation etc. just to cut my fuel bills in half. Doesn't make economic sense you see. Same reason I keep repairing my car instead of buying a new one.

When my car eventually dies in 5 years for sure I'll be looking at somethinig economical. Until then I'll be saving the planet by reducing the stockpile of carbon producing fuels as quickly as possible.

My badly expressed point was more about the fact that fuel (at ANY cost) is a diminishing resource. In the near future we will flip out thinking about the ways that we threw the stuff down the drain in these times right now... I understand not having a lot of $$$ to choose a car but ultimately you went lookin for a big engine vehicle at the time right? Next time look at a 4 or 6 cyl maybe?

Now don't get me started on fkn Humvee drivers!!!!

At 40c a litre driving a Humvee is STILL an irresposible and selfish act. Being cheaper does not mean the fuel magically replaces itself.. Quite the opposite it will be wasted even more quickly. The only hope we really have to preserve any fuel for the NECCESSITIES in the future is to price it high (as any limited resource like gold etc would be) so that by default it is used wisely and more conservatively.. Quite honestly I am almost welcoming the rise (yeh I am hurting financially out of it too but thinking about a postie bike and more cycling) because it may just start to wake some folks up.

Fkn Humvee is an advertisement of selfish stupidity... [}:)]

The humvee maybe an advertisement of selfish stupidity but it wont be alone when the finger pointing starts, look around, the same could easily be said about anyone who burns fuel in pursuit of their own entertainment, recreational aviation, motor sport, travel, anything marine including all our water sports, even the person that eats mangos that needed to be trucked interstate, or anything imported for that matter, just about everyone contributes in thier own way.

The reality of Peak Oil is that every aspect of life is about to change and many of our wasteful practises will have to stop.. ie As many of the mining folks will know working in northern areas means buying sky-high exxy foods that may have been grown in Carnarvon, transported by road to Perth, then transported again by road back up north!!! That is just shear stupidity and can't continue!!!

You better get used to less availability of foreign and non-local produce too. A mango from Qld in Perth is a big trip (mmm love mangoes) and eventually a lesser quality more local alternative will have to be chosen instead from simple economic reality.

I feel sorry for the truckies etc out there at the mo, but the tide has changed and will never be returning to what we had (and wasted).

I agree, it was always going to happen whether now or in the future.

It is only going to get a lot, lot worse

Oil Exporters Are Unable To Keep Up With Demand
www.wsj.com/articles/SB121200725158327151

27% was the cut in vehicle usage if the plan was a total success and you magically halved fuel usage for everyone[ridiculous prospect]. This is then only a similar percentage of the total fuel use [aviation/mining/farming/shipping] that would just be a bit of a laugh as too how much was actually achieved. so... estimating with excessive fuel saving percentages applied

%[of vehicle fuel use cutable] = 27%
%[of vehicles that could accommodate being down sized significantly] = 40%
%[of total fuel usage by the transport division over all industries] = 50%
X[energy 2 build these new fuel saving cars and bring them to aus] =A lot
$[cost to get all these new cars] =$26,000/V
V[cars effected] 11 188 880 X .4 =4,475,552

put this all together
.27x.4x.5=0.054 = 5.4% = realistic fuel cut
26x4500x1000=$117,000,000 = A lot of money and people driving cars they hate
energy required to make a car is 640L if you believe this
http://portal.unesco.org/education/en/file_download.php/a01355752c9e869a63cc5651084cfa30Cars+and+energy.pdf


NOW, can we stop even hinting at this??

getfunky said...

teabagg said...

.........PEAK OIL IS A MYTH......

Surely you are not serious?

We are over 6 billion eating, guzzling, farting, rooting and fuel wasting humaniods now - in 30 years or so who knows, possibly 9, 12 billion?? Where do you think double the existing resources is going to come from?

Youve gotta stop smokin so much a day and crawl out from the conspiracy theory protecting doona mate.

I highly (no pun intended) recomend everyone check out the great doco 'Crude'. Even if you think you are switched on to where we are heading this pretty unbiased film will open your eyes to the way we are currently using/wasting fuel and the endless ways in whicj it's scarcity is going to impact on EVERY facet of our lives from here on.

Essential viewing (spesh in the off season)

hmmmm, funny, funny, i totally agree we are wasting resources, i like to piont out that in many cases, this profit at all costs takes it, in most cases, out of many's percieved immediate control, i have seen 'crude' and to call it unbiased is rather nieve, maybe you should take another look at it, www.tv-links.co.uk used to house many many hard to get documentaries, many pertaining to the peak oil myth, and the russian born science of abiotic oil. tv-links no longer exists unfortunately, maybe checking google video for abiotic oil will yield some results.
before you throw stones getfunky, maybe you should climb from your concensus reality blanket, and see that maybe not everything is as the establishment and their well oiled machine would like you to believe it is... truth does not fear investigation and believe it or not, i don't 'smoke' weed or drink alcohol...
... the fact of the matter is, peak oil is a myth