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petermac33
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1 Jul 2010 6:04pm
action[70 days or something] for me anyway speaks louder than words.

i see the chemtrails, with my own two eyes,then 'they' tell me chemtrails don't exist.
maxm
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1 Jul 2010 8:50pm
You've probably seen rainbows too. They don't exist either.
Gestalt
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1 Jul 2010 11:10pm
contrails anyone!
ginger pom
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3 Jul 2010 11:03am
in superfreakanomics there's a chapter about manipulating the weather to produce less hurricanes in the gulf of mexico.

The invention they talk about (a big rubber tube thing) works by pushing warm water under and therefore cooling surface temperature. Apparently high surface water temperatures are one of the main drivers in how bad a storm is...

Interestingly, if the surface is now thick with sun absorbing oil.. will this mean that hurricane season is even worse... not a nice thought
japie
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3 Jul 2010 5:58pm
ginger pom said...

in superfreakanomics there's a chapter about manipulating the weather to produce less hurricanes in the gulf of mexico.

The invention they talk about (a big rubber tube thing) works by pushing warm water under and therefore cooling surface temperature. Apparently high surface water temperatures are one of the main drivers in how bad a storm is...

Interestingly, if the surface is now thick with sun absorbing oil.. will this mean that hurricane season is even worse... not a nice thought


I just watched a video that claimed that the If the surface water temperature rose by 2 degrees it posed a serious risk and that temperatures had been measured in patches recording an increase of 7 C.

Does the increase mean that it could be three times as bad, or is there a limit?

Whatever, this is going to change life in the USA and the Northern hemisphere for decades to come, just the degree to be decided.
theDoctor
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7 Jul 2010 2:20pm


ineptitude, complacency, accident or greed.

take your pick.

one things for sure, the outcomes from this catasrophe seem to be playing right into the hands of those who set the agenda

wanna scare yourself sober....

www.devvy.com/new_site/halliburtiburton_part_I_070610.html
doggie
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7 Jul 2010 1:46pm
They should investigate FEMA, isnt the first thing they have f@@ked up..
theDoctor
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8 Jul 2010 2:03pm


mattyjee
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8 Jul 2010 12:35pm
With every major event there is fact and there is speculation.

And then there is speculation which is presented as fact.

Much like the hyped up doomsday prophecy dribble above.

One of the articles even refers to BP as "British Petroleum". can't even get a simple fact like the company name right.
doggie
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8 Jul 2010 12:56pm
mattyjee said...

With every major event there is fact and there is speculation.

And then there is speculation which is presented as fact.

Much like the hyped up doomsday prophecy dribble above.

One of the articles even refers to BP as "British Petroleum". can't even get a simple fact like the company name right.


I think there will be lots of knee jerk reactions on this, and lots of just jerking
petermac33
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8 Jul 2010 1:19pm
i have to admit, some people do get off on this conspiracy/NWO/doomsday talk.


i for one am not one of those.
doggie
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8 Jul 2010 1:46pm
petermac33 said...

i have to admit, some people do get off on this conspiracy/NWO/doomsday talk.


i for one am not one of those.


But you will bang on about bloody chemtrails all bloody day!!
sbray
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8 Jul 2010 6:52pm






Fossil
petermac33
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11 Jul 2010 2:11am
Toxicologists Say Corexit Invades Cells and Allows Oil to Penetrate Cells and Organ Systems


Washington’s Blog
July 10, 2010

A d v e r t i s e m e n t
As I have previously noted, Corexit is toxic, is less effective than other dispersants, and is actually worsening the damage caused by the oil spill.

Now, two toxicologists are saying that Corexit is much more harmful to human health and marine life than we’ve been told.

Specifically Gulf toxicologist Dr. Susan Shaw – Founder and Director of the Marine Environmental Research Institute – dove into the oil spill to examine the chemicals present.

Dr. Shaw told CNN:

If I can tell you what happens — because I was in the oil — to people…

Shrimpers throwing their nets into water… [then] water from the nets splashed on his skin. …

[He experienced a] headache that lasted 3 weeks… heart palpitations… muscle spasms… bleeding from the rectum…

And that’s what that Corexit does, it ruptures red blood cells, causes internal bleeding, and liver and kidney damage. …

This stuff is so toxic combined… not the oil or dispersants alone. …

Very, very toxic and goes right through skin.

***

The reason this is so toxic is because of these solvents [from dispersant] that penetrate the skin of anything that’s going through the dispersed oil takes the oil into the cells — takes the oil into the organs… and this stuff is toxic to every organ system in the body. …



Similarly, marine biologist and toxicologist Dr. Chris Pincetich – who has an extensive background in testing the affects of chemicals on fish – says that Corexit disrupts cell membranes.

He also explains that EPA toxicity testing for Corexit is woefully inadequate, since EPA testing for mortality usually only requires a 96-hour time frame. His doctoral research found that fish that were alive at 96 hours after exposure to pesticide were dead at two weeks, so the chemicals were considered non-lethal for the purposes of the test.



Drs. Shaw and Pincetich are wildlife conservationists. But even industry scientists working for Exxon and the manufacturer of Corexit itself admit that the stuff is toxic.





theDoctor
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11 Jul 2010 11:34am


BREAKING: OIL GUSHER PROBLEM ...
SOLVED BY TWO NEW ZEALAND ENGINEERS


This is the kind of headline we would all like to read in the nearest possible future.


However, the truth is that it has ALREADY HAPPENED.


Two New Zealand engineers have in fact publlicly demonstrated the feasibility of a device which could, they maintain, solve the problem of the runaway oil gusher in the Gulf of Mexico.


.


And quite easily, and simply, too.


Their device, which they have proven in several impressive demonstrations, would enable another pipe to be safely and snugly inserted into the pipe that is currently gushing millions of barrels of oil into the Gulf ... and beyond.


The new pipe could be inserted and held in place by means of a variation on the so-called "Slinky" toy, which is, in reality, a very ingenious idea.


It's an inexpensive, typically "Kiwi ingenuity" idea, and it works!


Unfortunately, up to now they have not been able to get a hearing from BP in the US.


We urge you to have a look at the website urgently:


sedo.com/search/details/?partnerid=324561&language=us&domain=puku.co.nz&origin=sales_lander_5&utm_medium=Parking&utm_campaign=offerpage


Then please let us know if you can offer any help at all in getting the word out to people who can make this happen.



TWO BRILLIANT PEOPLE NOW HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY TO STOP THE RUNAWAY OIL GUSHER. THEY DON'T WANT TO MAKE ANY MONEY FROM IT. IN FACT THEY WANT TO GIVE IT AWAY. PLEASE HAVE A LOOK AT WHAT THEY HAVE AND THEN TELL EVERYONE YOU KNOW WHO CAN HELP THESE TWO NEW ZEALAND ENGINEERS GET TO BP AND THE US GOVERNMENT TO GIVE IT A TRY.


Here is the TVNZ clip:


tvnz.co.nz/technology-news/slinky-answer-oil-leak-3608555

colinwill78
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14 Jul 2010 12:11am
mattyjee said...



One of the articles even refers to BP as "British Petroleum". can't even get a simple fact like the company name right.


I had to investigate this one. Correct. BP used to stand for British Petroleum until1998. But they changed their company name to BP P.L.C in 2001.

Very edumacational
evlPanda
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14 Jul 2010 1:59pm
From: www.abc.net.au/news/2010-07-14/oil-still-flowing-as-cap-test-delayed/904244

High pressure readings would mean there are no other leaks and the cap could effectively be left on to seal the well.

Low pressure would indicate oil was seeping out of the external casing of the well, meaning the valves would have to be reopened to reduce the risk of causing a new gusher on the seabed.


Meaning they are ****ed.
mattyjee
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14 Jul 2010 1:57pm
evlPanda said...
Meaning they are ****ed.


It's not "they" as in BP, it's "we" as in everybody.
We will be ****ed.

But on the positive side, it might actually work.

And I hope it does work, not only to stop the flow of oil, but also to stop the flow of dribble from all the nutter foil hat brigade about the end of the world etc...
busterwa
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theDoctor
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dan berry
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16 Jul 2010 5:54am
Aparently the latest attemp to cap it has worked.
Sailhack
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16 Jul 2010 9:49am
dan berry said...

Aparently the latest attemp to cap it has worked.


...so far!

I'm going to try optimism on this one, let's hope it works. I've read alot of commentary on the spill, by so-called experts (and some may be actual experts). At a guess, I would ass'u'me that they (BP & US Gov't) have the greatest minds in the world looking at the solutions...and I would also ass'u'me that this attempt to fix it would have been the best option available to them.

Fingers crossed!
doggie
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16 Jul 2010 9:52am
From nine msn.

BP finally choked off the flow of oil into the Gulf of Mexico on Thursday - 85 days after the crisis unfolded - and then began a tense 48 hours of watching to see whether the capped-off well would hold or blow a new leak.

To the relief of millions of people along the Gulf Coast, the big, billowing brown cloud of crude at the bottom of the sea disappeared from the underwater video feed for the first time since the disaster began in April, as BP closed the last of three openings in the 70-tonne cap lowered onto the well earlier this week.

But the company stopped far short of declaring victory.

"It is good to see no oil going into the Gulf of Mexico," said BP's senior vice president Kent Wells, but he cautioned: "We are just starting the test."

It was the biggest step forward in halting the worst oil spill in US history which has seen up to 700 million litres of oil flow into the sea since a BP-leased rig sank on April 22, two days after a major explosion on the deepwater drilling platform.

Experts have estimated some 35,000 to 60,000 barrels a day have been flowing into the Gulf for some 13 weeks, leaving millions of litres sloshing around in the waters, threatening vulnerable wildlife and fouling the shores of five Gulf states.

BP's chief operating officer Doug Suttles warned however it was not yet time to celebrate, saying more time was needed as a 48-hour test is completed.

"I think it's an encouraging sign. In a couple of more days it may even be more encouraging, but no celebrations," Suttles told reporters.

"If you go talk to these people that live here, celebration is the wrong word."

US President Barack Obama, whose administration has led pressure on BP to stop the oil flow, welcomed the news as "a positive sign," but cautioned: "We're still in the testing phase."

Now begins a waiting period during which engineers will monitor pressure gauges and watch for signs of leaks elsewhere in the well.

High pressures will show that there is no other leakage underground, whereas low pressures may indicate that the casing of wellbore has cracked and is leaking.

Wells reminded reporters the aim of the pressure tests was to "assess the integrity of the well" as it is not known whether the wellbore which stretches deep below the seabed was damaged in the explosion.

"We are not sure exactly what we will be able to determine" from the data which will be gathered during the tests, Wells said, cautioning the company may need to reopen the well again.

"For the people living on the Gulf, I'm certainly not going to guess their emotions," Wells said.

"I hope they're encouraged there's no oil going into the Gulf of Mexico. But we have to be careful. Depending on what the test shows us, we may need to open this well back up."

The stoppage came 85 days, 16 hours and 25 minutes after the first report of the explosion on the BP-leased Deepwater Horizon oil rig that killed 11 workers.

Wells said the oil flow stopped as the last of three valves on a huge capping stack was shut at 2.25pm local time on Thursday (0525 AEST Friday).

On the video feed, the violently churning cloud of oil and gas coming out of a narrow tube thinned, and tapered off.

Suddenly, there were a few puffs of oil, surrounded by cloudy dispersant BP was pumping on top. Then, there was nothing.

Even if it works, the cap is not a permanent fix, and not the end of the crisis by any means. BP is drilling two relief wells so it can pump mud and cement into the leaking well in hopes of plugging it permanently by mid-August.

After that, the Gulf Coast faces a monumental cleanup and restoration that could take years.

BP stock, which has mainly tumbled since the spill began, closed nearly eight per cent higher on the New York Stock Exchange after the news.

doggie
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16 Jul 2010 11:34am
I agree cisco. Will they be responsible for the total cleen up? I think they should but will they run out of recouses to do it? And how do you clean up a mess like that!!?!
japie
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16 Jul 2010 3:19pm
cisco said...

I suppose it depends on who you are and where you live that determines what you believe is the biggest relief. That the well leak has been stopped or that the share price has gone up 8%.

Given the stories that have emerged about the various companies involved, this has to be the most criminal act of environmental vandalism that has ever been committed and I believe some individuals involved should brought to account and punished as criminals.


Do you think it was deliberate?
doggie
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16 Jul 2010 1:37pm
Do you think that could prove it, even if it was deliberate.
japie
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16 Jul 2010 4:36pm
doggie said...

Do you think that could prove it, even if it was deliberate.


Boobs!

That was a genuine question to Cisco.

Could it be proved? Personally I do not think it is important to prove it or disprove it. The fact is is that it has happened and what I would like to get to the bottom of is why?

I have my own ideas that have "developed" owing to a quantum change I have undergone in my own conciousness, which, for all of their reality, leave me a somewhat bemused!
doggie
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16 Jul 2010 3:34pm
japie said...

doggie said...

Do you think that could prove it, even if it was deliberate.


Boobs!

That was a genuine question to Cisco.

Could it be proved? Personally I do not think it is important to prove it or disprove it. The fact is is that it has happened and what I would like to get to the bottom of is why?

I have my own ideas that have "developed" owing to a quantum change I have undergone in my own conciousness, which, for all of their reality, leave me a somewhat bemused!


(.)(.) yes it was and the first time I have agreed with him as well.

I think the focus should be the clean up ect now, but how are they going to do that?
theDoctor
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16 Jul 2010 6:41pm


www.rense.com

look to the featured stories about the oil catastrophe, then directly under that there is a link for the rense interview with Cliff High from www.halfpasthuman.com , make of it what you will but one thing is for sure it definately a different view point of the goings on than from what we get from the tv and papers.

japie
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17 Jul 2010 1:40am
Thanks. Good to get your opinion.

Who do they think they are? My opinion on that is that oil represents or is an integral tool, one of the many economic shackles and therefore power structures used to manipulate the economies, and by default us.

I have always had a simplistic view of the state of things. I gave TV and Newspapers away many years ago because, well because it just seemed to me to be such a load of crap. I read a lot as a result but have a low tolerance level of crap there as well, so the likes of Wilbur Smith and popular magazines never get a look in. What I do read is a lot of history, usually specific history, and good quality novels. For instance John le Carre gets a thumbs up.

The advent of the internet has broadened my horizon significantly though it is often a mission sorting the **** from the clay. I also come to it recently, as in the past two years.

So when it comes to oil and the collateral environmental damage associated with it, coupled with the fact that it is no longer a necessity as a fuel source, then it becomes obvious that the bastards who force it on us have little feeling for the environment or anything in it.

Which is evil!

And if they are capable of evil at one level, well than anything is possible.
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