poor relative said...

He's my brother
I'm from Iraq originally. I speak Persian, Sanskrit and English fluently.
I am into Islam and think Taoism is kinda cool.
I came here on a leaky boat was intercepted at Ashmoore reef and held in detention for 3 years whilst my application was approved.
I had to leave Iraq as i was being persecuted for voicing my families and my communities need for a democratic freedom.
My life was in peril so i fled.
My family were all murdered in my homelands for their demands for a free society.

It has been difficult here everyone thinks i am a terrorist or going to put bombs in hay street. However i am not like that. I condone violence and wish my life to in some way benefit mankind.
In fact i'm just like you except i haven't been afforded the same oppertunities like the ability to apply for a passport or a visa via an embassy or diplomatic assistance. In fact if i had applied for a passport the authorities would have detained me and probably killed me.
I am actually employed as a Dr in our local hospital. My qualifications weren't initially recognised so i had to undertake retraining. I found the studies just a duplication of what i had already been taught and a complete waste of time.
I work i pay taxes. I have come to love Australia and enjoy everything that it has to offer. I fish, i sail i kite i SUP plus i eat lamb - halal of course.

True story.

All I have to say to that is bugger, we let in another kiter. Damn Immigration Dept.

poor relative said...

Don't forget - Kiters have right of way.


....and the ladies like us more.

From my last sail, it would appear so [}:)]

but you're alright P.R you can drop in on me anytime

chrispychru said...

so you didnt get any help, mmmm. Who payed for your retraining as a dr?good whine but pretty pathetic. You put crap on someone when you should have been,how do i say it in english, been a bit more understanding. instead of being jealous and with a chip on your shoulder. I would rather someone pay and help. Oh before you want to attack me, my family came here from war and as my old boy says, nobody mowed grass in a desert for him. Get over it and be bloody thankful you live in this great country

Mr Crispy,

I think you will find mr relative is very pro-refugees and would disagree with most of the things posted in this thread by people like me....... so i think he was being sarcastic and having a shot
he was not having a go at immigrants or refugees.

Anyway, he was a brain surgeon in his home country but now drives a taxi in Oz.
Due to his medical quals though, he drives a maxi-taxi, and that is not to be sneered at, it is the peak of the public transport profession.

japie said...

So

Spread the wealth and stop destabilising poor countries to get at their resources cheaply.

Indeed.
Trouble is most of them are fkd up countries where the north hate the south, tribes hate each other or if you don't believe in their religion they take an AK47 to your village.
That part is not our fault.
They need to stop hating each other too.

Of course when western nations go to help they are criticised

Good point Mark,

Just a thought:

Are we, as 'civilised' countries (who don't have wars or anything vulgar like that any more, they're too expensive) on the increase or on the wane?

Could we, as their 'moral superiors', give them a heap of education, which would create something like a Rennaissance?

Man, I'd donate $20 to that cause.

Ha ha Busted

poor relative said...

He's my brother
I'm from Iraq originally. I speak Persian, Sanskrit and English fluently.
I am into Islam and think Taoism is kinda cool.
I came here on a leaky boat was intercepted at Ashmoore reef and held in detention for 3 years whilst my application was approved.
I had to leave Iraq as i was being persecuted for voicing my families and my communities need for a democratic freedom.
My life was in peril so i fled.
My family were all murdered in my homelands for their demands for a free society.

It has been difficult here everyone thinks i am a terrorist or going to put bombs in hay street. However i am not like that. I condone violence and wish my life to in some way benefit mankind.
In fact i'm just like you except i haven't been afforded the same oppertunities like the ability to apply for a passport or a visa via an embassy or diplomatic assistance. In fact if i had applied for a passport the authorities would have detained me and probably killed me.
I am actually employed as a Dr in our local hospital. My qualifications weren't initially recognised so i had to undertake retraining. I found the studies just a duplication of what i had already been taught and a complete waste of time.
I work i pay taxes. I have come to love Australia and enjoy everything that it has to offer. I fish, i sail i kite i SUP plus i eat lamb - halal of course.

True story.

Fail!

Mark _australia said...

Yes I know the difference, so no need to be condescending.
My point (which you have chosen to ignore) was that if we deport people who did not originate from here, but have P.R status, for their crimes, why don't we deport refugees who riot.

I'll take your word for it that you do but some of the other posters here (notice I said guys) don't seem to. As for why not deport them - well, I gather its to do with the convention that we've signed on to. We've agreed NOT to send refugees back to the situation they're trying to escape.

Look, I don't condone their actions any more than you do. But surely the answer is not to lock them up indefinitely and treat them worse than murderers innit?

Elroy Jetson said...
We could solve the problem in this way

www.smh.com.au/news/world/photos-show-refugees-cast-adrift-by-thai-military/2009/01/26/1232818345835.html

I think the Thais may have solved their illegal immigrant problem that way. A very clear message that will pass along the grapevine.

Yeah, yeah, yeah! Now somebody is going to say "They are not illegal immigrants, they are refugees."

If they arrive at any country's border after having ditched any form of identification or evidence of personal history, their claim of refugee status has to be deemed as dishonest and invalid and subversive in it's nature.

This is just cause to deny entry at all and any right to "processing" of their claims.

It is no wonder they are coming here in droves, planes and boats with the mamby pamby messages that our current socialist, political correct excuse for a government is sending out.

Apparently on 60 Minutes tonight the Muslim "leaders" are going to admit to their agenda of bringing the world under Muslim religious rule.

Seems to me they are trying to get their numbers up here so as to have voting numbers to effect their agenda.

Freedom loving Australians need to assess how much they value their existing freedoms and how many of them they are prepared to surrender or forego in the name of "Helping their fellow man."

Natural Law says that "No man has the right to impose his will on another." It is unwritten and God given.

That is what the "Schoolyard Bullying Debate" is all about.

If one of our basic pretexts of civilised behaviour is that we do not allow bullying in the "school yard", we should not allow it in the yards of politics, international diplomacy, immigration policy or moral arena.

As I have said before, the "refugees" are bashing us over the head with our generous nature.

Ask Felixdacat what happened in France. Fin.

log man said...

cisco said...

Elroy Jetson said...
We could solve the problem in this way

www.smh.com.au/news/world/photos-show-refugees-cast-adrift-by-thai-military/2009/01/26/1232818345835.html

I think the Thais may have solved their illegal immigrant problem that way. A very clear message that will pass along the grapevine.

Yeah, yeah, yeah! Now somebody is going to say "They are not illegal immigrants, they are refugees."

If they arrive at any country's border after having ditched any form of identification or evidence of personal history, their claim of refugee status has to be deemed as dishonest and invalid and subversive in it's nature.

This is just cause to deny entry at all and any right to "processing" of their claims.

It is no wonder they are coming here in droves, planes and boats with the mamby pamby messages that our current socialist, political correct excuse for a government is sending out.

Apparently on 60 Minutes tonight the Muslim "leaders" are going to admit to their agenda of bringing the world under Muslim religious rule.

Seems to me they are trying to get their numbers up here so as to have voting numbers to effect their agenda.

Freedom loving Australians need to assess how much they value their existing freedoms and how many of them they are prepared to surrender or forego in the name of "Helping their fellow man."

Natural Law says that "No man has the right to impose his will on another." It is unwritten and God given.

That is what the "Schoolyard Bullying Debate" is all about.

If one of our basic pretexts of civilised behaviour is that we do not allow bullying in the "school yard", we should not allow it in the yards of politics, international diplomacy, immigration policy or moral arena.

As I have said before, the "refugees" are bashing us over the head with our generous nature.

Ask Felixdacat what happened in France. Fin.

Right on Cisco but I would go a little further. Just shoot the men ,bayonet the women and make the children watch, so they never forget.

Oh logman how dramatic.
Typical left wing sh!t that you trot out.
Just because we suggest we need to the be careful due to what other western nations have experienced, then we must be racist, xenophobic bigots.
All he said was we have an obligation to help them, but they do not have the right to impose their will upon us.

So what you are saying is that if I say to someone that I am not going to let them impose their cultural values on me that I am the bad guy for imposing my will on the other.

That could go around and around forever.

I hope you watched what was reported on 60 Minutes in regard to the Islamists.

Mark _australia said...

log man said...

cisco said...

Elroy Jetson said...
We could solve the problem in this way

www.smh.com.au/news/world/photos-show-refugees-cast-adrift-by-thai-military/2009/01/26/1232818345835.html

I think the Thais may have solved their illegal immigrant problem that way. A very clear message that will pass along the grapevine.

Yeah, yeah, yeah! Now somebody is going to say "They are not illegal immigrants, they are refugees."

If they arrive at any country's border after having ditched any form of identification or evidence of personal history, their claim of refugee status has to be deemed as dishonest and invalid and subversive in it's nature.

This is just cause to deny entry at all and any right to "processing" of their claims.

It is no wonder they are coming here in droves, planes and boats with the mamby pamby messages that our current socialist, political correct excuse for a government is sending out.

Apparently on 60 Minutes tonight the Muslim "leaders" are going to admit to their agenda of bringing the world under Muslim religious rule.

Seems to me they are trying to get their numbers up here so as to have voting numbers to effect their agenda.

Freedom loving Australians need to assess how much they value their existing freedoms and how many of them they are prepared to surrender or forego in the name of "Helping their fellow man."

Natural Law says that "No man has the right to impose his will on another." It is unwritten and God given.

That is what the "Schoolyard Bullying Debate" is all about.

If one of our basic pretexts of civilised behaviour is that we do not allow bullying in the "school yard", we should not allow it in the yards of politics, international diplomacy, immigration policy or moral arena.

As I have said before, the "refugees" are bashing us over the head with our generous nature.

Ask Felixdacat what happened in France. Fin.

Right on Cisco but I would go a little further. Just shoot the men ,bayonet the women and make the children watch, so they never forget.

Oh logman how dramatic.
Typical left wing sh!t that you trot out.
Just because we suggest we need to the be careful due to what other western nations have experienced, then we must be racist, xenophobic bigots.
All he said was we have an obligation to help them, but they do not have the right to impose their will upon us.

Mark , don't try and apologize for your friend, that's what always happens, you come out with some bigoted rant and then retreat with crap like "all he's saying is " and "just saying", "Just because we suggest" or "just asking the question". So Cisco thinks towing a refugee boat back out to sea is a good way to solve a refugee problem........ Now that's dramatic eh Mark. Can you actually hear what your saying towing a boat back out to sea! really! these are people, real people, women, children. ...... Oh crap! there I go again getting all dramatic, it's just the idea of state sponsored murder leaves me a little cold. And Mark if you resent being labeled(in your own words) a "racist Xenophobic bigot" then stop posting "racist xenophobic bigotry".

cisco said...

Apparently on 60 Minutes tonight the Muslim "leaders" are going to admit to their agenda of bringing the world under Muslim religious rule.

This one gave me a good laugh. On many levels.

A) Did the Muslim leaders speak in English? Attempting to take over the world with 'our' language. Classic one. It's already been done.

B) Muslim leaders are having a very tough time simply staying in power without adding a globally organized agenda (read conspiracy) to take over the world into the mix.

C) Don't spend too much energy shadow boxing and fearing Muslims. It's obvious. The Climatologists are the ones that are currently taking it over.